Discussions of mental illnesses and conditions

jillo, on the other hand..........personality disorders like anti social personality disorder and bpd almost make the person not human. With sceizo and bipolar and the other ones, the people with it are still pretty much human. But APD removes the empathy from the species. From my psych reading, psychologists define "humanity" as pretty much empathy.
 
deafdyke said:
jillo, on the other hand..........personality disorders like anti social personality disorder and bpd almost make the person not human. With sceizo and bipolar and the other ones, the people with it are still pretty much human. But APD removes the empathy from the species. From my psych reading, psychologists define "humanity" as pretty much empathy.
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Empathic understanding most definately is one of the features missing in some of the personality disorders. It isn't so much that empathy has been removed, but that the developmental tasks were so incomplete or distorted that it simply never developed. Emapthy is learned through completion of developmental tasks of chicldhood. We are not inherently empathic. And various people have differing abilities to both experience and express empathy.

While an ability to experience empathy is most certainly a quality of humanity, it is not the only quality that makes one human.

Re: schizoid disorders and depressive disorders: I have seen some severely affected individuals who were incapable of experiencing emapthy. With the psychotic disorders, thinking is often so disturbed and unrealistic that the idividual cannot experience emapthy for others. Likewise, many of the dpressive disorders result in an individual being so ego centric and lacking in affect that they are incapable of experiencing empathy as well. They may have an intellectual understanding of the concept, but be unable to experience the emotion.
 
Cancers manitfest with different symtoms by locating in various areas of the body, and can be fast growing or slow growing. Some are more lethal than others. However, they are all still cancers.
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True, but I mean the thing is, there's a HUGE difference that I really can't articulate between classic mental illnesses and personality disorders. I think it's b/c the personality disorder is pretty much the person's personality, whereas a more classic mental illness isn't a part of the person's personality.
 
deafdyke said:
True, but I mean the thing is, there's a HUGE difference that I really can't articulate between classic mental illnesses and personality disorders. I think it's b/c the personality disorder is pretty much the person's personality, whereas a more classic mental illness isn't a part of the person's personality.
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If you are talking about inherent personality traits, then you are incorrect. People are not born with anti-social personality traits. They are learned.

Any behavior associated with a mental disorder can be considered to be a part of the person's personality, as it affects the way that they interact with the environment and other individuals.

I understand what you are trying to say, but I respectfully disagreee. Personality disorders can be treated and altered. Inherent personality characteristics cannot. That is why it is called a personality disorder rather than a personality type.
 
Personality disorders can be treated and altered.
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Really? Then how come APD and borderline personality disorder have NOT met with sucessful treatment outcomes? APD and BPD are extremely hard to treat.....and I would bet that almost all the ones that have been sucessfully treated, were borderline.
 
deafdyke said:
Really? Then how come APD and borderline personality disorder have NOT met with sucessful treatment outcomes? APD and BPD are extremely hard to treat.....and I would bet that almost all the ones that have been sucessfully treated, were borderline.
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Just because they are difficult to treat does not mean that they cannot be treated. There are successful cases of both APD and BPD. Dilaectic behavioral therapy has been quite effective. Any personality disorder is considered difficult to treat, but BPD is actually considered the most difficult.
 
deafdyke said:
jillo, on the other hand..........personality disorders like anti social personality disorder and bpd almost make the person not human. With sceizo and bipolar and the other ones, the people with it are still pretty much human. But APD removes the empathy from the species. From my psych reading, psychologists define "humanity" as pretty much empathy.
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You are so far from being right, it's not funny!

Here's a link to a borderline personality site. Please read up on the disorder before you start spouting shit. You really have no clue what you're talking about.

Borderline Personality Disorder

BPD is a nasty psychiatric disorder for sure, but sufferers are very human!

What is Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD)?

Borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a serious psychiatric illness. The diagnosis encompasses patients with a pervasive pattern of affective instability, severe difficulties in interpersonal relationships, problems with behavioral or impulse control (including suicidal behaviors), and disrupted cognitive processes. This instability often disrupts family and work life, long-term planning, and the individual’s sense of self-identity. The estimated prevalence of BPD in the general adult population is about 2%, mostly affecting young women. It has also been estimated that 11% of outpatients and 20% of psychiatric inpatients presenting for treatment meet the criteria for the disorder.
 
Dixie, I so agree! I think that they should put him in solitary,but with a REALLY sociopathic rapist named Bubba! Then I'd like to interview him about how HE feels when he's getting raped. I just cannot believe that someone would be so extremely sociopathic that they would think having sex with their offspring, was OK.
Ocean.............Excuse me, but I HAVE experianced people who have borderline personality disorder. They do NOT "suffer" from it. Actually, wait.....some of them with mild forms of the disorder do suffer from it. (eg they don't undy about the social-emtional bits of life. Almost exactly like having Asperger's or High Functioning Autism) However, those with more severe BPS are not human b/c they tend to be totally devoid of empathy. I doubt you've ever experianced some of the soap opera shit that I and some other people have, due to someone with BPD.
 
deafdyke said:
Dixie, I so agree! I think that they should put him in solitary,but with a REALLY sociopathic rapist named Bubba! Then I'd like to interview him about how HE feels when he's getting raped. I just cannot believe that someone would be so extremely sociopathic that they would think having sex with their offspring, was OK.
Ocean.............Excuse me, but I HAVE experianced people who have borderline personality disorder. They do NOT "suffer" from it. Actually, wait.....some of them with mild forms of the disorder do suffer from it. (eg they don't undy about the social-emtional bits of life. Almost exactly like having Asperger's or High Functioning Autism) However, those with more severe BPS are not human b/c they tend to be totally devoid of empathy. I doubt you've ever experianced some of the soap opera shit that I and some other people have, due to someone with BPD.
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Borderline Personality Disorder does not make an individual inhuman. I am surprised at you, DD.
 
Originally Posted by deafdyke View Post
Dixie, I so agree! I think that they should put him in solitary,but with a REALLY sociopathic rapist named Bubba! Then I'd like to interview him about how HE feels when he's getting raped. I just cannot believe that someone would be so extremely sociopathic that they would think having sex with their offspring, was OK.
Ocean.............Excuse me, but I HAVE experianced people who have borderline personality disorder. They do NOT "suffer" from it. Actually, wait.....some of them with mild forms of the disorder do suffer from it. (eg they don't undy about the social-emtional bits of life. Almost exactly like having Asperger's or High Functioning Autism) However, those with more severe BPS are not human b/c they tend to be totally devoid of empathy. I doubt you've ever experianced some of the soap opera shit that I and some other people have, (end of quote)

I am probably missing something, But I have Asperger's syndrome and I think I have empathy and am a good person. Until 2000 I was considered to have atypical autism, before this diagnosis was changed. I wish you would not say things to denigrate me.
 
Bottesini said:
Originally Posted by deafdyke View Post
Dixie, I so agree! I think that they should put him in solitary,but with a REALLY sociopathic rapist named Bubba! Then I'd like to interview him about how HE feels when he's getting raped. I just cannot believe that someone would be so extremely sociopathic that they would think having sex with their offspring, was OK.
Ocean.............Excuse me, but I HAVE experianced people who have borderline personality disorder. They do NOT "suffer" from it. Actually, wait.....some of them with mild forms of the disorder do suffer from it. (eg they don't undy about the social-emtional bits of life. Almost exactly like having Asperger's or High Functioning Autism) However, those with more severe BPS are not human b/c they tend to be totally devoid of empathy. I doubt you've ever experianced some of the soap opera shit that I and some other people have, (end of quote)

I am probably missing something, But I have Asperger's syndrome and I think I have empathy and am a good person. Until 2000 I was considered to have atypical autism, before this diagnosis was changed. I wish you would not say things to denigrate me.
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Aperger's and Borderline Personality Disorder are in no way related. People with Asperger's do not lack in empathy, generally. They simply have difficulty with the pragmatics of language and social interaction.
 
jillio said:
Aperger's and Borderline Personality Disorder are in no way related. People with Asperger's do not lack in empathy, generally. They simply have difficulty with the pragmatics of language and social interaction.
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Yes this is what I understand. But I thought the quoted post was saying Asperger's people are lacking in this way. Sorry if I got that wrong.
 
Bottesini said:
Yes this is what I understand. But I thought the quoted post was saying Asperger's people are lacking in this way. Sorry if I got that wrong.
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I don't think you misread it. I saw the same thing. I was just confirming your understanding of Asperger's.
 
jillo, FYI I DON"T think those with MILD borderline personality disorders aren't human. BUT I have experianced soap opera shit from people with rather significent BPD.......the way they act, as if they don't have any empathy is not human. It's pretty much sociopathic as a matter of fact! I didn't mean to say that Aspies and those with MILD borderline personality disorders aren't human.
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eg they don't undy about the social-emtional bits of life. Almost exactly like having Asperger's or High Functioning Autism
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I didn't say anything about mild BPD or Aspie/HFA folks not being empathic. Rather what I meant was that they have difficulty in socio-emotional areas. That's true......Aspie folks tend to have difficulty with language to describe their feelings.
 
deafdyke said:
jillo, FYI I DON"T think those with MILD borderline personality disorders aren't human. BUT I have experianced soap opera shit from people with rather significent BPD.......the way they act, as if they don't have any empathy is not human. It's pretty much sociopathic as a matter of fact! I didn't mean to say that Aspies and those with MILD borderline personality disorders aren't human.
My exact quote is thus: I didn't say anything about mild BPD or Aspie/HFA folks not being empathic. Rather what I meant was that they have difficulty in socio-emotional areas. That's true......Aspie folks tend to have difficulty with language to describe their feelings.
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I think you are confusing egocentrism with sociopathy. They are two different things. Individuals with BPD are egocentric. Those with sociopathic disorders are devoid of empathy. That is why Boderline Personality Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder are diagnosed as two different disorders under different sets of criterion.
 
I think you are confusing egocentrism with sociopathy. They are two different things. Individuals with BPD are egocentric. Those with sociopathic disorders are devoid of empathy. That is why Boderline Personality Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder are diagnosed as two different disorders under different sets of criterion.
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*shrugs shoulders* I don't know....Like sociopaths do criminal things right? What would you diagonse someone with if they didn't have emapthy but weren't a criminal or a bad boy?
 
jillio said:
I think you are confusing egocentrism with sociopathy. They are two different things. Individuals with BPD are egocentric. Those with sociopathic disorders are devoid of empathy. That is why Boderline Personality Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder are diagnosed as two different disorders under different sets of criterion.
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Aren't all sociopaths egocentric? Aren't all narcissistics egocentric? Perhaps the difference between BPDs and socipaths is that BPDs are more concerned with gaining sympathy from others while sociopaths are more interested in gaining stuff via theft and other illegal means? Perhaps egocentric is a matter of degree?
 
deafskeptic said:
Aren't all sociopaths egocentric? Aren't all narcissistics egocentric? Perhaps the difference between BPDs and socipaths is that BPDs are more concerned with gaining sympathy from others while sociopaths are more interested in gaining stuff via theft and other illegal means? Perhaps egocentric is a matter of degree?
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There is a degree of egoentricsm in BPD to be sure. But it is egocentricsm without a lack of empathy. Sociopaths are without empathy, and lacking empathy in and of itself contains egocentric attitudes. So when we say that sociopaths are lacking in empathy, the egocentricsm is implied. But when we say that BPD suffers are egocentric, a lack of empathy is not implied. Sociopaths will normally have very established patterns of behavior that are deviant, and criminal activity is but one facet.
 
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