Difference of opinion on same issues....

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dereksbicycles

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I realize that about every groups will have difference of opinion on ranges of topics. I realize that deaf people will have difference of opinion on CI, hearing aids, and language to teach deaf kids.

Try to think, what if I suggested to room of auto enthusiast that I wanted to turbocharge a 1984 Oldsmobile Omega. Can you imagine the reaction??

I bet that some of them would say this is unique. Go for it!! Some of them may say Why?????? Others would say let's pick a better car for you to turbocharge.

Yeah, it's ok to have difference of opinions sometimes.
 
example works for paints, artworks, hair styles, foods, etc, but "differences of opinion" that support audist or other "ism"-type principles?

nahhh....
 
When it comes to deaf education, it should be about facts, not opinions. When it comes to determining the best interests of a deaf child, including communication mode, it should be facts, not opinions. When people throw in their opinions, regardless of intentions, things get ugly.
 
dereksbicycles said:
I realize that about every groups will have difference of opinion on ranges of topics. I realize that deaf people will have difference of opinion on CI, hearing aids, and language to teach deaf kids.

Try to think, what if I suggested to room of auto enthusiast that I wanted to turbocharge a 1984 Oldsmobile Omega. Can you imagine the reaction??

I bet that some of them would say this is unique. Go for it!! Some of them may say Why?????? Others would say let's pick a better car for you to turbocharge.

Yeah, it's ok to have difference of opinions sometimes.
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yes of course always difference opinion of deaf. i respecting to them have different opinon bec not all person is thinking same way. us all did have different life and growing up different way make us have different view of thing. but sometime i did notice on AD people clash opinion and explosion on thread :whistle: :popcorn: i entertainment watch. i joking.
 
dereksbicycles said:
I realize that about every groups will have difference of opinion on ranges of topics. I realize that deaf people will have difference of opinion on CI, hearing aids, and language to teach deaf kids.

Try to think, what if I suggested to room of auto enthusiast that I wanted to turbocharge a 1984 Oldsmobile Omega. Can you imagine the reaction??

I bet that some of them would say this is unique. Go for it!! Some of them may say Why?????? Others would say let's pick a better car for you to turbocharge.

Yeah, it's ok to have difference of opinions sometimes.
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No offense but that wasn't a good analogy.

"This is unique" and "There are better cars for you to turbocharge." are not mutually exclusive opinions. One can agree with BOTH opinions.

Whereas here in AD, there are many mutually exclusive opinions when it comes to language/CI/etc.

"Teaching ASL is the best thing to do."
"Implanting a child/baby is wrong."
"Not implanting a child/baby is wrong."
"Raising them orally gives them the best opportunities."
And so on.

Nearly impossible for anyone to agree with all of those opinions.

In fact, even people who "don't care, everyone can do their own thing" are attacked for their nonchalant opinion, because it implies that they don't really care about deaf children/community.

That doesn't happen in your analogy. No one gets attacked if they said "I don't care, you can turbocharge whatever you want, man."
 
At this point, I am starting not to give a damn about Deaf education but still give a damn about the kiddos.
 
deafbajagal said:
When it comes to deaf education, it should be about facts, not opinions. When it comes to determining the best interests of a deaf child, including communication mode, it should be facts, not opinions. When people throw in their opinions, regardless of intentions, things get ugly.
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Yes, it is the fact we were on the receiving end of deaf education so we know where it went wrong. It is too bad that the hearing educators aren't listening to us because if they did, things would be alot better.
 
Can one discuss :"deaf condition"-- getting a Cochlear Implant vs going voice off/using ASL et al as "abstract" constructions without being personal?

Doesn't prior discussions suggest otherwise?

Thus the ongoing discussion in the future will generate "strong reactions" as evinced from the past here.
 
Regardless of if we all have differences the issue is if each can accept that and here that is hard for everyone to do because they believe so strongly in one or the other. Sometimes rather than debating, arguing and then full on fighting it is better to agree to disagree and move on.... BUT this is what people cannot do. lol
 
I do know that due to a lot of the animosity I have seen, I do not participate as much.
 
So true. I really believe it's not even the difference of opinion that's the crux of the problem as it is people's attitudes and manners towards each other, nothing infuriates a person more than having themselves and their experiences dismissed and pooh-poohed - once that happens, than the mud starts flying. But that's humanity for you. :)
 
dereksbicycles said:
I realize that about every groups will have difference of opinion on ranges of topics. I realize that deaf people will have difference of opinion on CI, hearing aids, and language to teach deaf kids.

Try to think, what if I suggested to room of auto enthusiast that I wanted to turbocharge a 1984 Oldsmobile Omega. Can you imagine the reaction??

I bet that some of them would say this is unique. Go for it!! Some of them may say Why?????? Others would say let's pick a better car for you to turbocharge.

Yeah, it's ok to have difference of opinions sometimes.
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I will it take it one step further, by saying it is OK to have difference of opinions all of the time.
 
It's the human condition; we all like to think our own experience is the one genuine one. And even when we learn through failure what does and doesn't work - all it takes is another generation or two to decide they want to test the waters for themselves, not trusting the knowledge that was gained before.
 
Seems that our experience-say dealing with the fact of deafness- "might be a guide" for us-day by day . No matter if 3 generations in the "future" decide otherwise- hardly can be utilized-right now. We can only deal with now based on our own experience.
We can alter our perceptions based on other people's thoughts-say this computer screen-if deem relevant by our consideration.
 
mbrek said:
It's the human condition; we all like to think our own experience is the one genuine one. And even when we learn through failure what does and doesn't work - all it takes is another generation or two to decide they want to test the waters for themselves, not trusting the knowledge that was gained before.
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I do not think my experiences are the genuine one. I feel that everyone reaction to the same experience in their own unique way. Everyone deal with life experiences differently. It would a very boring world if we'll thought the same!! I dated a guy who told me he wish everyone was like him , and I told him that that would be so boring!!
 
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One can share an opinion without invalidating another person's experiences. That's not happening here.
 
sallylou said:
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One can share an opinion without invalidating another person's experiences. That's not happening here.
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it already does, fairly rare, on top of my head, DeafCaroline is one of them....audiofuzy is NOT :giggle:
and gloggy, kokonut arent either :roll: i dont give a shit if i actually dropped names, its just proof of the existence of invalidators in this forum... there is probably a ratio of 1:8 of members who arent invalidators. that is just a wild guess but it would be pretty close I'd say.
Sad really...
I just wish mods would boot of habitual invalidators but not its not my job....hmmmm...maybe i should apply and encourage more swearing?? lol
 
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