Designing A Hearing Baby

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Rick48,

9.) No bashing, flaming or harassing other members. Period.

10.) No enticing or provoking other members to cause them to get into trouble.

Even though we support freedom of speech, show some respect, use common sense, and keep an open mind when participating in discussions.

Finally, any abuse towards the Moderators will not be tolerated.

http://www.alldeaf.com/announcements/95-forum-rules.html :deal:
 
Oh my goodness, rick48..............:ugh:

I better walk out of here before I say something offensive to him.
 
rick48 said:
You bet I did. Are they Gods? If I think they are wrong and apply a double standard to posters depending upon their views then I am not going to stand by and let them treat people that way. If they are so petty that they think they are above criticisim and I get banned sobeit, it only proves my point.

Yes, I am aware that Fuzzy is not hearing but she is also a strong supporter of cochlear implants for children.

But its not a double standard (very heavy sarcasam noted).

Maybe its the use of smilies in virtually every one of one's posts that prevents one from being banned? (Sarcasam alert)

BTW who are the many ci users you claim agree with you, there are very few and not many.
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For FYI,, I know Fuzzy is not hearing, But she got a right to express her feelings on the issues just like everybody else. Everybody is entitle to their opinons on how they view C.I. You can't just blame the deaf and hoh how they feel about C.I. and what they think of it. You said a questions are they gods? No. No one is gods here. But I do believe everybody want something better for their lives to be enrich. Doctors are not GODS either. But I believe God give people a gift of skills of helping others people making their lives better. No one is perfect. But having CI is a personal choice. It not something you decided right away and it take time to think about CI and what are the pros and cons. CI is great for some people and other people it not so great for them with good reasons. Does this help a little bit of understanding here?
 
jillio said:
People are not banned because of their POVs. They are not banned for expressing differeing viewpoints and engaging in civil, productive discussion of those differeing viewpoints. They are banned for disrespectful posts, name calling, false accusations, and bad attitude. Inshort, they are banned becuase they never learned to"work and play well with others." Take heed, rick.
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*Sigh* I guess its too late for you as you're banned, Rick48. When I saw your reactions to Audiofuzzy's posts, I thought oh dear, I can guess who's going to get banned after Audiofuzzy. I remember thinking that she's on her way to being banned from this board. As I pointed out to Fuzzy in her thread, you need to treat others with civility. I don't always agree with others but I don't call them ugly names or anything like that when they disagree with me.

ASLers on this forum and other forums weren't the only ones offended by Fuzzy. Fuzzy insulted one hearing poster who has a CI child and >>I<< was offended by one of her posts which is why I found it hard to stay civil. I would have lost my temper with her had she not been banned.
 
shel90 said:
Last night I went to Deaf professional happy hour and met a lot of new people and many of them grew up with CIs. Some Deaf people who didnt have CIs, including me, were asking them questions about their CIs. Got good info but one thing they all emphasized the importance of having the Deaf community and ASL because it is a special bond regardless how well they can hear with their CIs. I thought that was really cool.

BTW...nobody looked down on them last night. Not one person and there had to be at least 100 Deaf people there.

It is all about supporting each other not about the person's ability to hear or comparing each other's hearing levels.

Too often I see many parents talk about how well the child can hear. Ok great but let's move on. That's how most Deaf people see it...the hearing ability is not the defining trait of the person. Unfortunately, the hearing people put too much focus on that. One situation like that did happen last night. The bartender at the bar kept saying to one person who had a CI that he has heard about the devices and kept asking that person how well he can hear with it. He got fed up with those questions and told the bartender to pls make his drink.

Just was interesting to observe it all and it made me think of the discussions here on AD.
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Well said, Shel.
 
rick48 said:
If they do not have deaf children and have not made the cochlear implant decision then they do not know what we parents have experienced.

Sorry, JT from L but you have no idea of what went into our cochlear implant decision and you have no idea as to who we sought out when our daughter was first diagnosed. You are a perfect example of the Deaf Cultists bigots who called us child abusers and our daughter a robot, a frankenstein or a guinea pig. Did we then choose not to expose her to such prejudiced and bigoted people--people you call your friends--you bet we did. Instead we chose to expose her to deaf adults and deaf people who were warm, loving and caring and judeged her for who she is and not how she communicated.

I know that your nasty comments are motivated by the fact that my daughter is a successful person in her world who is many, many things only one of which is deaf. So sad and pathetic you are JT from L.
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Please watch your step making too much insults,, we are all here just viewing our opinions and feelings and respect each other. No need to get nasty. I am a deaf parent and my daughter hearing, But if I ever happen to have a deaf child I would not put C.I. on her or him unless she is old enough to make his or her desicion want to get C.I. as long as my kids understand what it for and why they want it. I have C.I. myself, when I take it off.. I am still deaf and still proud of my deaf world anyway. I can have the best of both world and still live life in a great way. I am sure you glad your child is successful but please don't make too much insult. Peace.
 
rick48 said:
Yes, I am aware that Fuzzy is not hearing but she is also a strong supporter of cochlear implants for children.
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I'm also a supporter myself so why am I not banned? Think again, Rick48.
 
For FYI,, I know Fuzzy is not hearing, But she got a right to express her feelings on the issues just like everybody else.
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ROTFLMO


(btw - history is full of people forever silenced for speaking truth...)

Fuzzy

ps. btw Rick the only way anyone will be acepted here is: as deaf, ASL, and FLUENT! anti -CI, and so on.
I wonder now - what exactly you and Cloggy are wasting your time here for?

(I guess i gotta say goodbye now for another 48hrs.. or will it be 72 now..)

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Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Oh, sorry - I wasn't aware it's a sin.

(btw - history is full of people forever silenced for speaking truth...)

Fuzzy
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Yes, I can agree with that. However, it's hoped that you'll treat others with respect.
 
Yes, I can agree with that. However, it's hoped that you'll treat others with respect.
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I certainly will, and I also hope you'll practice what you advised - LET GO and MOVE ON :)

Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
ROTFLMO


(btw - history is full of people forever silenced for speaking truth...)

Fuzzy

ps. btw Rick the only way anyone will be acepted here is: as deaf, ASL, and FLUENT! anti -CI, and so on.
I wonder now - what exactly you and Cloggy are wasting your time here for?

(I guess i gotta say goodbye now for another 48hrs.. or will it be 72 now..)

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Fuzzy
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Very mature
 
deafskeptic said:
Yeeep. :roll: I've never claimed to be as fluent as some people here in ASL and I love my CI so how could I be anti CI?
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I know and I have accepted u and many other CI users here on AD and in real life so how can I be anti-CI too? LOL!
 
That's why I keep quiet saying nuthin if I tell u the truth, deaf won't like it.
 
GarnetTigerMom said:
But if I ever happen to have a deaf child I would not put C.I. on her or him unless she is old enough to make his or her desicion want to get C.I. as long as my kids understand what it for and why they want it.
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What would you say to your deaf children if they will cry why you wasted the early years that offer the best benefit of CI?

Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
What would you say to your deaf children if they will cry why you wasted the early years that offer the best benefit of CI?

Fuzzy
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Why do u question people for their decisions not to implant? If the child gets upset with the parents, that is between them. Not our problem. By using those kinds of terms "wasted" implies negativity in your question.

If u emphasize respect for hearing parents implanting their children then respect those who decide not to implant. Everyone is different.
 
shel90 said:
Why do u question people for their decisions not to implant? If the child gets upset with the parents, that is between them. Not our problem. By using those kinds of terms "wasted" implies negativity in your question.

If u emphasize respect for hearing parents implanting their children then respect those who decide not to implant. Everyone is different.
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Poeple are asked why they implant all the time, why can't I ask for the opposite?

Since this is a big responsibility for a parent - to implant or not to implant - I wonder how would the parent defend his/her decision if asked, that's all.

Parents who implant early defend their decision by statistics showing how early implantation works best, and how early implantation success is is related to the natural way of human brain development.


Fuzzy
 
Lavender said:
That's why I keep quiet saying nuthin if I tell u the truth, deaf won't like it.
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Come on, now, the truth? Your truth? or is it a truth because the majority says so?

What is the truth? Spit it out; we are big boys and girls. Are you?
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Poeple are asked why they implant all the time, why can't I ask for the opposite?

Since this is a big responsibility for a parent - to implant or not to implant - I wonder how would the parent defend his/her decision if asked, that's all.

Parents who implant early defend their decision by statistics showing how early implantation works best, and how early implantation success is is related to the natural way of human brain development.


Fuzzy
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And parents who decide not to impalnt have equally convincing statistics regarding the fact that impantation is not necessary for development, neither cognitive, linguistic, emotional, nor social.
 
My question was addressed to GarnetTigerMom.
Thank you for your input jill but yours doesn't interest me, sorry.

Fuzzy
 
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