Declaration of Occupy Wall Street

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Steinhauer said:
No, conservatives have made no hidden, or even slightest secret whisper, about condoning this movements actions.

Perhaps the non-conservatives need to pack away their blame throwers before they implode.
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:bowlol::rofl::bowlol:

Oh, Gawd! I can't catch my breath! I am laughing too hard at this!:lol:
 
jillio said:
It looks like they are. Using it as fodder for their propoganda. "We are so glad this happened! Look how bad we can try to make those liberals look now!" Sad.
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I did say "some" Conservatives. I like how indignant they become that I would suggest such a thing. Problem is, we share air with people that are happy this occurred. I am certain of it.
 
saywhatkid said:
I did say "some" Conservatives. I like how indignant they become that I would suggest such a thing. Problem is, we share air with people that are happy this occurred. I am certain of it.
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Oh, agreed. Not all Conservatives are that rabid and disturbed. But there certainly are some, and this has brought them into the light of day without a doubt.
 
saywhatkid said:
The divide between sides is a bit more hate-filled than you let on to believe. Why would a semi-retired man find the need to submit several of these videos if he was not driven by dislike of the people camping?
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To present another side to the story? It's not exactly the peaceful lovefest some claim. *shrug*
 
deafskeptic said:
Hence why I don't think the conservatives are going to lead us out of this mess.
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Conservatives don't want to lead anyone; they only want to better themselves.

That is the difference in party platforms; Republicans don't want to help, Democrats want to help too much. Where is a third party that mixes these elements?
 
saywhatkid said:
Conservatives don't want to lead anyone; they only want to better themselves.

That is the difference in party platforms; Republicans don't want to help, Democrats want to help too much. Where is a third party that mixes these elements?
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This post couldn't be more untrue. And you know that. But oh well,
 
saywhatkid said:
Conservatives don't want to lead anyone; they only want to better themselves.

That is the difference in party platforms; Republicans don't want to help, Democrats want to help too much. Where is a third party that mixes these elements?
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Actually, neither party wants to help the little guy from what I have seen of both parties. Democrats talk about helping others but they don't walk their talk. Otherwise we would not be seeing these protests. The majority of the protesters are not Democrats. They're independants who lean left.
 
TXgolfer said:
To present another side to the story? It's not exactly the peaceful lovefest some claim. *shrug*
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I have not seen "lovefest" mentioned anywhere. I have been overwhelmed by Right wing bias that drowns out everything else. I can hardly wait for "your posse" to regain the reins. I have been learning bias and blame techniques from the experts. Get ready to enjoy the echo from your words, only used by me.

It isn't about the protest, it is about the people involved. I think the subject scares a bunch of people, so they take the easy way out. Why should they protest? We should let Cain take charge (does not matter he has not held elected office) use tear gas to remove those awful bums lying around Wall Street (not the people in the stock trade, plus using lots of this gas will improve DuPont stock values) and give all the wealthy a tax break. Then y'all can hire us common folks to keep your yard looking nice for virtually nothing, since we will be happy to work for food by that point.
 
deafskeptic said:
Actually, neither party wants to help the little guy from what I have seen of both parties. Democrats talk about helping others but they don't walk their talk. Otherwise we would not be seeing these protests. The majority of the protesters are not Democrats. They're independants who lean left.
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I don't think the current Democrat party is going to help either as they're Republicans lite.
 
saywhatkid said:
I have not seen "lovefest" mentioned anywhere. I have been overwhelmed by Right wing bias that drowns out everything else. I can hardly wait for "your posse" to regain the reins. I have been learning bias and blame techniques from the experts. Get ready to enjoy the echo from your words, only used by me.

It isn't about the protest, it is about the people involved. I think the subject scares a bunch of people, so they take the easy way out. Why should they protest? We should let Cain take charge (does not matter he has not held elected office) use tear gas to remove those awful bums lying around Wall Street (not the people in the stock trade, plus using lots of this gas will improve DuPont stock values) and give all the wealthy a tax break. Then y'all can hire us common folks to keep your yard looking nice for virtually nothing, since we will be happy to work for food by that point.
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It wouldn't surprise me if they offer us gruel and snap at us for being too greedy if we want better than gruel.
 
saywhatkid said:
Perspectives differ. FORE!!!!!!
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And thank heaven they do. What a horror if they were all the same as some we have seen displayed.

More diversity in the protesters than the rabid conservative faction would have people believe.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...py-wall-street-shows-politics-age-diversity/1

"Ninety-seven percent of those surveyed said they do not approve of how Congress is doing its job, but 42% said they would vote for the Democrat running to represent their U.S. House districts as opposed to fewer than 2% saying they would vote for the Republican, Professor Costas Panagopoulos of Fordham tells the Monitor. Seventy-five percent say they do not approve of the Tea Party movement, the Monitor reports.."

Just a small clip...the actual article is really pretty interesting when you look at the wide range in demographics of the protesters.
 
deafskeptic said:
I don't think the current Democrat party is going to help either as they're Republicans lite.
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I think you are forgetting that everyone elected to public office is first a person. Just because they affiliate with a party does not mean they will always vote to party line. The better politicians (the ones that seem to care more about their constituents are the ones that vote based on their humanity not on their political party. The only reason these guys do not become independents is because most of the voting public is too ignorant and biased towards or against a party to vote in an independent.

Also, good legislation takes time and discussion. Let's discuss the issues and what brought us to this point so we can figure out how to move past it.

I fully support the OWS protest. I support their right to protest (peacefully and respectfully). I realize that this protest is really a collage of anger and built up frustration. I was driving home from vacation last week and drove past an OWS protest in S.C. One guy held a sign that said something like "The banks got theirs, when will you get yours?" This just shows the ignorance and frustration that is bound up in this protest. It's like a stew with everything thrown in and no one can decide what kind of stew it's supposed to be.

So let's talk about how we got here.

As I understand it, the federal government pushed to get more low income people into homes really kicked of a surge in home prices then the housing bubble popped and we are stuck with a mess of mortgages that people cannot afford and banks cannot recover because the house values have fallen way below what folks owe on those houses.
 
saywhatkid said:
I have not seen "lovefest" mentioned anywhere. I have been overwhelmed by Right wing bias that drowns out everything else. I can hardly wait for "your posse" to regain the reins. I have been learning bias and blame techniques from the experts. Get ready to enjoy the echo from your words, only used by me.
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What part of "the character that defines a movement matters" do you disagree with?

By the way, if you want to see some substantive discussion on their grievances, here you go.

Income inequality- This only matters if the economy is a zero-sum game (i.e. when one person gets rich, it means someone else has to get poorer). With few exceptions, it is not a zero-sum gain. A person can only get rich by enriching others. If we acknowledge that truth, then it's downright ungrateful to whine about income inequality. This is a system that has delivered the most material comforts the world has ever known. When even the poor are well fed (overly so, actually) and often have cars, AC, and cell phones in a bad recession, it's pretty grating to hear complaints that someone else has more.

Crony capitalism- Agreed, but their solution is to increase the power of government to crack down on corporations. That's the best way to make the problem worse. A more powerful government attracts more special interests, including corporations, looking for favorable treatment. The solution is to cut back on Washington's power.

Wall Street malfeasance- I agree we should prosecute anyone guilty of wrongdoing. Nobody disagrees with that, but it's not like there's a lack of desire to go after Wall Street. Does anyone really think the DOJ wouldn't love the publicity from taking on Wall Street? We can't just throw people in prison when there's no proof of wrongdoing.

These are just a few of their points, of course.
 
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