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Steinhauer said:
You do know they were shot at don't you? The National Guard, someone in the crowd fired a revolver at them.
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Your ignorance is astounding.:shock: No one fired at the National Guard, nor has it ever been claimed that anyone fired at the National Guard.
 
jillio said:
Your ignorance is astounding.:shock: No one fired at the National Guard, nor has it ever been claimed that anyone fired at the National Guard.
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and no order was given to shoot. National Guard did not have "Rules of Engagement" policy like what soldiers do in war.

Scranton Commission's finding was final and decisive.
 
Jiro said:
and no order was given to shoot. National Guard did not have "Rules of Engagement" policy like what soldiers do in war.

Scranton Commission's finding was final and decisive.
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Exactly. Unarmed, peacefully assembled students were massacred. There could not even so much as a bottle or a rock found in the location where the students were struck down.
 
Steinhauer said:
You do know they were shot at don't you? The National Guard, someone in the crowd fired a revolver at them.


Terry Norman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


so .... a peaceful protest eh?
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Yep, it was peaceful. No shots fired by anyone but the National Guard. Findings have already been handed down.

Wiki? Really?:laugh2: Did you even read that link? It said that Norman admitted firing 4 shots at the DEMONSTRATORS and it was confirmed that he was working for both the CAMPUS POLICE and the FBI.

Thanks for finding a link to support what we said....even if it was Wiki.
 
jillio said:
Exactly. Unarmed, peacefully assembled students were massacred. There could not even so much as a bottle or a rock found in the location where the students were struck down.
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I feel sorry for them having to live with terrible consequence and guilt for life. I wonder how did those National Guardsmen live their life after that massacre...
 
jillio said:
Your ignorance is astounding.:shock: No one fired at the National Guard, nor has it ever been claimed that anyone fired at the National Guard.
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You should really read more. Even the FBI admitted it. Seems you are the ignorant there (but wait .... you where there! OMG must believe everything YOU say).
 
Jiro said:
I feel sorry for them having to live with terrible consequence and guilt for life. I wonder how did those National Guardsmen live their life after that massacre...
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I would hope that they felt horribly guilty, and have made their amends with the family members of the victims. Senseless deaths.
 
Steinhauer said:
You should really read more. Even the FBI admitted it. Seems you are the ignorant there (but wait .... you where there! OMG must believe everything YOU say).
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Please post a specific statement from your link that said so. Perhaps we missed it.
 
Jiro said:
Did you read the link? FBI and Scranton Commission stated that Terry didn't shoot.
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Right. He was there working for the FBI and Campus Police as a photographer. And it was claimed that he shot into the demonstrators, not at the National Guard. The Guard was trying to use him as a scapegoat for having started the shooting.
 
Steinhauer said:
You should really read more. Even the FBI admitted it. Seems you are the ignorant there (but wait .... you where there! OMG must believe everything YOU say).
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Yep, I was there. You, on the other hand, are trying to reconstruct things as you go, and are doing a horrible job of it. You are even posting links that support the findings and what I have said.:laugh2:
 
jillio said:
Yep, I was there. You, on the other hand, are trying to reconstruct things as you go, and are doing a horrible job of it. You are even posting links that support the findings and what I have said.:laugh2:
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really??? You were there at Kent State protest?
 
jillio said:
Yep, I was there. You, on the other hand, are trying to reconstruct things as you go, and are doing a horrible job of it. You are even posting links that support the findings and what I have said.:laugh2:
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Since you were there - you obviously remember this:

terry norman | cleveland.com


This TV footage from May 4, 1970 shows Kent State student Terry Norman being chased by graduate student Harold Reid, who shouts "Hey, stop that man! I saw him shoot someone! Stop him, he’s carrying a gun!" Norman then surrenders his weapon to Kent State patrolman Harold Rice. Video by Joe Butano and Jorge Gomez
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The National Guardsmen even heard the shots - they all turned, at the same time, and began firing. No audible order to fire was given.

They were not charged with murder.
 
jillio said:
Right. He was there working for the FBI and Campus Police as a photographer. And it was claimed that he shot into the demonstrators, not at the National Guard. The Guard was trying to use him as a scapegoat for having started the shooting.
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perhaps his camera spooked Guardsman?

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Jiro said:
Please post a specific statement from your link that said so. Perhaps we missed it.
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I'll do better than that. Directly copied and pasted from Steinhauer's Wiki link:

There were several reasons why Norman was suspected of starting the tragedy:
Norman was the only person on campus other than a Guardsman known to have been armed with a weapon;
The Guard continued to insist that a single shot of unknown origin preceded the 13-second volley of gunfire; and
There had been a previous and never-fully-explained incident on Blanket Hill in which Norman drew his gun and pointed it at students. Norman had scuffled with some fellow students and reportedly drawn his gun before being chased by several men across the campus to the campus police and National Guard. One of his pursuers, graduate student Harold Reid, yelled, "Stop that man! He has a gun."

The FBI squelched that speculation by announcing that Norman's gun had never been fired. However, the issue of his role on May 4 was revived three years later. Peter Davies, the author of the book The Truth About Kent State, and William A. Gordon, a journalist for the college's student newspaper and the future author of Four Dead in Ohio, reported that there were three additional witnesses who said they had heard either Norman admitting, "I had to shoot", or a Kent State police detective exclaim, "My God, he fires his gun four times. What the hell do we do now?"
See the word speculated? And also, a quick read shows that Norman was accused of firing at demonstrators, not the Guard. So Steiny's claim that someone fired a revolver at the National Guard is BS.
 
Wow, it must have made quite an impression on you if you were there at Kent! I know you said this earlier but it didn't register on me till now.
 
jillio said:
I'll do better than that. Directly copied and pasted from Steinhauer's Wiki link:

There were several reasons why Norman was suspected of starting the tragedy:
Norman was the only person on campus other than a Guardsman known to have been armed with a weapon;
The Guard continued to insist that a single shot of unknown origin preceded the 13-second volley of gunfire; and
There had been a previous and never-fully-explained incident on Blanket Hill in which Norman drew his gun and pointed it at students. Norman had scuffled with some fellow students and reportedly drawn his gun before being chased by several men across the campus to the campus police and National Guard. One of his pursuers, graduate student Harold Reid, yelled, "Stop that man! He has a gun."

The FBI squelched that speculation by announcing that Norman's gun had never been fired. However, the issue of his role on May 4 was revived three years later. Peter Davies, the author of the book The Truth About Kent State, and William A. Gordon, a journalist for the college's student newspaper and the future author of Four Dead in Ohio, reported that there were three additional witnesses who said they had heard either Norman admitting, "I had to shoot", or a Kent State police detective exclaim, "My God, he fires his gun four times. What the hell do we do now?"
See the word speculated? And also, a quick read shows that Norman was accused of firing at demonstrators, not the Guard. So Steiny's claim that someone fired a revolver at the National Guard is BS.
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Why don't you post the link - on a deaf website mind you - of the audio recording where Terry Norman's revolver can be heard being fired :roll:
 
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