Declaration of Occupy Wall Street

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It's natural for a person to seek out safety. The homeless people basically joined the camp. The homeless are getting their needs met better than before. There were only a few asshole protestors that complained. Just goes to show you that you get assholes in every group.

The way that some people talk about the homeless makes me wonder if they've ever met a homeless person in their lives.
 
kokonut said:
Stop protecting him. He said it.
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And what of it? You prefer to give to Salvation Army. I give to AD. If you think I consider you generous, you would be mistaken. Why does it matter? I am just another idiot that does not vote Conservative. I accept your choices. Give to SA or whatever makes your world go around.
 
sallylou said:
It's natural for a person to seek out safety. The homeless people basically joined the camp. The homeless are getting their needs met better than before. There were only a few asshole protestors that complained. Just goes to show you that you get assholes in every group.

The way that some people talk about the homeless makes me wonder if they've ever met a homeless person in their lives.
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Actually, those "few assholes" protesters were the ones (as leaderless leaders go) made the decision to try and put a stop on this homeless "intrusion." Even went so far as to change the dietary meal as to dissuade homeless people from taking advantage of their food by making it less palatable, so to speak.

The kitchen volunteers refused to serve any food whatsoever for two hours yesterday, and now one worker, Rafael Moreno, tells the Post, "We need to limit the amount of food we’re putting out." In an "exclusive" report, the Post says for the next three days the cooks will serve only brown rice "and other spartan grub instead of the usual menu of organic chicken and vegetables, spaghetti bolognese, and roasted beet and sheep’s-milk-cheese salad." Kitchen workers will also be handing out directions to soup kitchens to anyone suspected of being a mere vagrant, and not an activist.

It's unclear how the food committee volunteers will tell them apart—make them sing the The International while drumming? And somehow we suspect the glassy-eyed druggies we saw loitering near the kitchen over the weekend are going to be just fine with brown rice or whatever "spartan grub" comes their way, as long as it's for free and the kitchen maintains its "A" rating.
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Occupy Wall Street Kitchen Revolts Against Homeless Moochers: Gothamist

Why is that supposed to be a problem? Why the sudden profiling?
 
saywhatkid said:
And what of it? You prefer to give to Salvation Army. I give to AD. If you think I consider you generous, you would be mistaken. Why does it matter? I am just another idiot that does not vote Conservative. I accept your choices. Give to SA or whatever makes your world go around.
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And that's fine, but to call people "cheap" for not donating to a particular group that you may prefer is well.......cheap.
 
sallylou said:
It's natural for a person to seek out safety. The homeless people basically joined the camp. The homeless are getting their needs met better than before. There were only a few asshole protestors that complained. Just goes to show you that you get assholes in every group.

The way that some people talk about the homeless makes me wonder if they've ever met a homeless person in their lives.
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Met one? I seriously doubt it. Spit on a few? Probably.
 
kokonut said:
Actually, those "few assholes" protesters were the ones (as leaderless leaders go) made the decision to try and put a stop on this homeless "intrusion." Even went so far as to change the dietary meal as to dissuade homeless people from taking advantage of their food by making it less palatable, so to speak.


Occupy Wall Street Kitchen Revolts Against Homeless Moochers: Gothamist

Why is that supposed to be a problem? Why the sudden profiling?
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So, you say that you donate to the Salvation Army. How many times have you volunteered at one of their homeless shelters, or served meals in their soup kitchens?
 
kokonut said:
And that's fine, but to call people "cheap" for not donating to a particular group that you may prefer is well.......cheap.
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Thank you very much! I''ll be here all week! :wave:
 
naisho said:
three hypothetical situations. I am curious for what are your answers for the following questions, in essence, they are not all the same, yet are often linked together for a final decision.

A: For alldeaf.com as an organization, should it receive donations for its purpose?
B: Is alldeaf.com's value of entertainment worthy of any donations?
C: Is the costs of running, upkeep and moderating alldeaf.com worthy of a donation?
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I will answer, No,No and No. Now if you had asked "Is AD a service worth paying for?" I would have said Yes. (Note I am orange) I see this as selling premium memberships rather than a donation, and I have no problem with that. The fact that any overage goes to St Jude's is WONDERFUL but I still don't believe that qualifies it as a donation by members.
 
TXgolfer said:
I will answer, No,No and No. Now if you had asked "Is AD a service worth paying for?" I would have said Yes. (Note I am orange) I see this as selling premium memberships rather than a donation, and I have no problem with that. The fact that any overage goes to St Jude's is WONDERFUL but I still don't believe that qualifies it as a donation by members.
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Cool, thanks for answering. Now that you had paid, I see you may have saw it as a need to pay for something. I had no intent of discussing about the intent of any secondary party that the money is going to. (Not bringing the hospital into the discussion)

Though how is AllDeaf classified as a service for you? Maybe your definition might be something else, but from around where I am accustomed to, a service conducted as an action provided for another party else where the recipient is expected to return the favor by compensating them with something, usually in the form of money. I think this is the general legal term if basing an action as a service.

AllDeaf never demands anyone nor its members for money in the first place - it continues to remain completely free and donations are gladly accepted to keep the fees minimal. The fees have never been mandatory, they are optional.
 
The premium membership IS an offset/benefit of the donation. It has been since it was enacted 4-5 years ago. Even the title of the thread is written in the manner that it is a donation,
AllDeaf.com - Help Keep AllDeaf Free By Making A Donation

This role is copied at a bunch of major other forums too, and is not the first time I've donated, for many other forums. Other features in different forums are given for donors, like a special title, or extended private message box, random raffles for new products. I am not sure how it is seen as something you have to pay for because it is not mandatory in the first place.
 
TXgolfer said:
I will answer, No,No and No. Now if you had asked "Is AD a service worth paying for?" I would have said Yes. (Note I am orange) I see this as selling premium memberships rather than a donation, and I have no problem with that. The fact that any overage goes to St Jude's is WONDERFUL but I still don't believe that qualifies it as a donation by members.
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I'm just curious here, but what made you decide to donate now?

My take is that AllDeaf is not a business, and if it were, it would require all sorts of unnecessary legal mumbo jumbo. It is not selling a service. The word "donation" is intended to have a double effect. It first implies that what you are getting is a free "service" but that it costs someone (Alex) money for that service. "Donation" also uses a bit of a guilt factor to persuade people into giving money for what they receive. It's the same thing as a donation jar at the high school winter play, or something like. Sure, you're not obliged to pay, and the school isn't trying to make money, but if you enjoyed what you saw, it's polite to leave a donation so that the drama department can fund more productions.

Personally, I do think a bit negatively of people who use this site regularly and have been for a long time without donating. That definitely strikes me as being cheap.
 
naisho said:
Cool, thanks for answering. Now that you had paid, I see you may have saw it as a need to pay for something. I had no intent of discussing about the intent of any secondary party that the money is going to. (Not bringing the hospital into the discussion)

Though how is AllDeaf classified as a service for you? Maybe your definition might be something else, but from around where I am accustomed to, a service conducted as an action provided for another party else where the recipient is expected to return the favor by compensating them with something, usually in the form of money. I think this is the general legal term if basing an action as a service.

AllDeaf never demands anyone nor its members for money in the first place - it continues to remain completely free and donations are gladly accepted to keep the fees minimal. The fees have never been mandatory, they are optional.
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And that's fine. No need for "paying" members in their attempt to impart a bit of guilt or look down with their noses in the air towards those who have not "paid."
 
naisho said:
Cool, thanks for answering. Now that you had paid, I see you may have saw it as a need to pay for something. I had no intent of discussing about the intent of any secondary party that the money is going to. (Not bringing the hospital into the discussion)

Though how is AllDeaf classified as a service for you? Maybe your definition might be something else, but from around where I am accustomed to, a service conducted as an action provided for another party else where the recipient is expected to return the favor by compensating them with something, usually in the form of money. I think this is the general legal term if basing an action as a service.

AllDeaf never demands anyone nor its members for money in the first place - it continues to remain completely free and donations are gladly accepted to keep the fees minimal. The fees have never been mandatory, they are optional.
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Correct. Some people have been members for many years without donating. I find it a cause I believe in. If this site was gone, what fills the niche? Any other forum is geared toward something; be it sports, politics, finance, etc. Not a lot of deaf-oriented forums to choose from, especially with the membership size we have here. I feel fortunate to have this spot.
 
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