Debating

[aweet_princess198925]

I'm going to start signing around them. They will probably start trying to figure it out cause they know eventually they will have to learn its just about finding the time.

 

[DeafNerdMommy]

You lucky have family working on asl but I been forced talk with family my own voice every time. It was too bad for them they wanna to know what my friends said with sign language. I forced them go figure out what they said.

Oh no at first I was forced to be raised hearing and told my whole life I had nothing wrong with my ears. It wasn't until I was 18 did my parents believe me. So I started talking and signing since I learned to sign at 14. My fiancé signs also since I taught him and my parents and sister know like 10 words if that but they are 'trying'. They got tired of me talking about them in front of them hahaha

 

[ricas27]

hahahaha that what they think we talking about them. too bad

 

[Lau2046]

I'm not in the Deaf culture I only know 3 other people that are deaf. My family is hearing and only my niece is learning to sign. I want to be in both worlds but since I grew up hearing I find the CIs to be useful. I want to be an ASL interpreter in medicine I start school this spring semester and hopefully I'll be ok enough with my speech therapy to do so.

I understand the controversy on CIs but since I went 20 years hearing it's different. I don't think it's a disability or something that needs to be fixed it's just my person preference to be like I was before but to be in both worlds.

I think you should do what's best for you in keeping with what's important in your life. Talk about your concerns with your doctor and discuss it with your family and go from there. Happiness isn't a poll on a deaf forum; it's doing what you want to get the most out of life and your medical decisions are yours alone to make - you don't need anyone's approval.

Laura

 

[whatdidyousay!]

I think you should do what's best for you in keeping with what's important in your life. Talk about your concerns with your doctor and discuss it with your family and go from there. Happiness isn't a poll on a deaf forum; it's doing what you want to get the most out of life and your medical decisions are yours alone to make - you don't need anyone's approval.

Laura

I agree !

 

[hoichi]

I think you should do what's best for you in keeping with what's important in your life. Talk about your concerns with your doctor and discuss it with your family and go from there. Happiness isn't a poll on a deaf forum; it's doing what you want to get the most out of life and your medical decisions are yours alone to make - you don't need anyone's approval.

Laura

well that certainly is a first world way of looking at products and the damage they do to other communities..regardless of the cost to those communities or cultures.

thats for sure..

its the same argument re pollution and the environment too.
as long as we get the products we want, to hell with any ramifications of them..

WE as a culture and a people continously plead and state these products are doing HARM to our culture...we are ignored.
WE as a peopel and culture constantly pelad an dmake our case and even show hard numebrs that these products are doign damage to our culture and our psoeple...
ignored, a meh, a shoulder shrugg.

and it just

meh...

i get it i do. we all like out toys..regardless of any damage they cause to to others, even though those others every damn day are stating damage is bieng done

so it goes

 

[hoichi]

I agree !

yes its actually only ever about the individual.
the products we sue whether its in the atmosphere, or the polluting of our oceans or culture genocide whats it matter
it doesn't affect you
products must be had
to hell with any one else or if it affects them negatively or not

its same case the natives begged and pleaded with the whites during the colonization up here..sorry.......we want your land...too bad if assimilation and cultural genocide affects you bad...

we want it...tough..

it like that child that sits and screams "mine. mine, mine, mine, i want it, i want it, want it. me. me. me .me..."
its hard to show its not just about you, when all that you say is "me, me. me. me"

we have stated again and again, begged even that the very products that are being implanted are having a grave negative impact on our culture...


alas on deaf ears it seems..
mmm

 

[hoichi]

I think you should do what's best for you in keeping with what's important in your life. Talk about your concerns with your doctor and discuss it with your family and go from there. Happiness isn't a poll on a deaf forum; it's doing what you want to get the most out of life and your medical decisions are yours alone to make - you don't need anyone's approval.

Laura

too bad CI companies and governments in multiple nations disagree with you and forced implanted on Deaf regardless of choice.

the very same companies that implant here force them there..

the use manipulation her eon parents and coercion here, in other place sits gov dictate no choice given.

let me try to us each other example to illustrate a point.
does a person in the first world who uses cocaine negatively affect the people in Columbia by the end use of that product?

i agree
its up to the individual what ever drugs he uses so be it.
but does that sue affect others in another country of another culture in a negative way?

one other thing besides the above example..
dont you think its odd that you have a very large segment of a culture and community that is pleading and stating the use of a product is harming them, and those people who are the actual end users of that product "voices" are being ignored?
what other product anyplace acts like that from it manufactures?

think about it..
can you name one?
can you besides CI that is..

give it some thought you may surprise yourself..

 

[Jezie]

I think you should do what's best for you in keeping with what's important in your life. Talk about your concerns with your doctor and discuss it with your family and go from there. Happiness isn't a poll on a deaf forum; it's doing what you want to get the most out of life and your medical decisions are yours alone to make - you don't need anyone's approval.

Laura

What will almost all doctors, teachers, and family say? A family that has not bothered to learn sign, mainstreams the child? Does any of this seem like impartial advice? Where is she to learn all sides of her decision when the ones you point her to do not take anything into consideration other than making her "normal" and fix something that is broken? She is not broken and should be accepted as she is.

 

[hoichi]

the doctors have a product a to sell. the multi nationals have products to sell. so do car sale man for that matter..

is it that people get so blinded by white coats and an alphabet tagged onto a name they lose their sense of "i'm getting swindled"?, its a fair question i was in an audiologists not to long ago with a friend, the sales person (audiologist), was nice, she had enough letters at the end of her name thats for sure, she certainly new the products she pushed, as any sales person worth their salt would and new all sorts of lines to push them. this cats the kind to learn sign just to assimilate every damn of one us, as fast and as efficient as possible, for our own sake. if only we knew how bad our isolation and disability really was, and how her products are the answer, various types, a flavor for every taste, offering a multitude so that none can escape...
that kind.
past her up the food chain you have those higher specialists all part of a system designed to dis-empower, the decision process, though you may very well think your deciding the smiles on their arent that your happy, they're smiling because they are screwing you and you don't even know it.

a friendly piece of advice to any one dealing with car salesman or Ci specialists
if you've never asked your self the question "am i being swindled"
nows the time..

 

[Lau2046]

I think people just need to butt out of people's private lives. You may or may not agree with a CI but you're not the patient or the one most affected by this - she is. People always seem to move backwards talking about how these things "hurt the community." This is a deeply personal and individual choice and no one has the right to make anyone feel guilty or wrong for making the best choice for themselves.

 

[aweet_princess198925]

I don't think me getting a CI is harming anyone not even myself. I'm not getting the CI for my family in getting it for me. My mom doesn't even want me to get one let alone two but it is my choice. I'm just debating on 1 or 2. I will still sign and I will try to be apart of deaf culture. I just got my acceptance letter from the college I applied to for the ASL interpreting program that is taught at the Indiana School of the Deaf so I'm sure I'll meet more people and learn more about deaf culture. I will have a CI but when I'm not wearing it I am deaf that won't change. It's 2016 and I'm not a single minded person I'm open to lots of things. I have had injuries and have had brain damage and it was the doctors that helped me get better so I don't think my doctor is here to harm me when he is letting me decide on what to do. He doesn't put any of his opinions in this choice that I have mad for me. He even let me choose the brand that I am getting.

 

[hoichi]

I think people just need to butt out of people's private lives. You may or may not agree with a CI but you're not the patient or the one most affected by this - she is. People always seem to move backwards talking about how these things "hurt the community." This is a deeply personal and individual choice and no one has the right to make anyone feel guilty or wrong for making the best choice for themselves.

its not private when its public on a forum first of all.
secondly the community who is harmed by products used should have a damn say in those products being used on them.

its not moving backwards, we have loads and loads of numbers, we have 45% of those implanted as babies, that is 45% of those implanted not of their will dont even use the damn messiah tech drilled into them because of the plms it has caused them. their entire damn lives...thats just for babye implanted. that's close to half the product base of end users, of the very peopel the said products is supposed to be "curing"
we have peer reviewed studies for heavens sake that clearly show the practices by the ci industry inflicted on us Deaf harm us Deaf. what more do you require? i could post 20 links of data here i doubt you would even give a shit..
we have the words, the lives, the feelings of the very people targeted by this products Deaf, and we have stated for decades now that these things cause us grave plms..that the actions of those who push them , and make vast vast profit form them effect our community and culture in a negative way.

what do wave have to do, as a community and culture who is being harmed by these products and the industry that pushes them, in order for our lives, our emotional well being, our thoughts, our statements, to be taken as valid?

cant you take a hint
thsi isn't dancing with yourself

i have every right to state our case just as much right as the multi nationals have to state theirs , even more so after all its us that get drilled into...
the difference is
we Deaf don't have billions to spend to make, and push, our case
they do.
and they spend it

 

[aweet_princess198925]

its not private when its public on a forum first of all.
secondly the community who is harmed by products used should have a damn say in those products being sued on them.

its not moving backwards, we have loads and loads of numbers, we have 45% of those implanted against their will as babies dont even use the damn messiah tech drilled into them because of the plms it has caused them. their entire damn lives...that's close to half the product base of end users, we peer reviewed studies for heavens sake that clearly show the practices by the ci industry inflicted on us Deaf harm us Deaf. what more do you require? i could post 20 links of data here i doubt you would even give a shit..

what do wave have to do as a community and culture who is being harmed by these products and the industry that pushes them, in order for our lives, our emotional well bieng, our thoughts, our statements, to be taken as valid?

cant you take a hint
thsi isn't dancing with yourself

i have every right to state our case just as much right as the multi nationals have to state theirs , even more so after all its us that get drilled into...
the difference is
we Deaf don't have billions to spend to make, and push, our case
they do.
and they spend it

No one can determine how someone should live their lives. I choose this for me and no one else. Yes it sucks babies don't have a choice but that's that's parents prerogative to do what they wish with their baby doesn't make them a bad parent. Your trying to control people and that is worse than what you claim the doctors and companies are doing cause they are giving people a choice they aren't saying you have to get this product to live. Your saying that it's not up to the person who wants to get it but it's up to the deaf community if that person can get one if they want it. No one has a say in anyone's choice cause it's their bodies and their lives. You don't know what's in my mine or my intentions or how I feel so you can't have a say on something you don't know. This thread is not about every person who is deaf fitting a CI it's about me deciding on 1 or 2 be cause regardless I am getting 1 on August 5th and that won't change. If I meet some new deaf people and they don't like me for that reason alone then they are my type of people cause I am more than my hearing. Same with hearing people if they don't like me cause I am deaf then too bad I'm doing what's best for me.

 

[aweet_princess198925]

the doctors have a product a to sell. the multi nationals have products to sell. so do car sale man for that matter..

is it that people get so blinded by white coats and an alphabet tagged onto a name they lose their sense of "i'm getting swindled"?, its a fair question i was in an audiologists not to long ago with a friend, the sales person (audiologist), was nice, she had enough letters at the end of her name thats for sure, she certainly new the products she pushed, as any sales person worth their salt would and new all sorts of lines to push them. this cats the kind to learn sign just to assimilate every damn of one us, as fast and as efficient as possible, for our own sake. if only we knew how bad our isolation and disability really was, and how her products are the answer, various types, a flavor for every taste, offering a multitude so that none can escape...
that kind.
past her up the food chain you have those higher specialists all part of a system designed to dis-empower, the decision process, though you may very well think your deciding the smiles on their arent that your happy, they're smiling because they are screwing you and you don't even know it.

a friendly piece of advice to any one dealing with car salesman or Ci specialists
if you've never asked your self the question "am i being swindled"
nows the time..

How can someone swindle me when it was my idea.

 

[hoichi]

No one can determine how someone should live their lives.

pls tell that to very companies who will make loot form you an duse it to implant Deaf against their will in other countries. thank you

I choose this for me and no one else.

indeed you do even after youve been told about the harm the very products you will sue do to others.

Yes it sucks babies don't have a choice but that's that's parents prerogative to do what they wish with their baby doesn't make them a bad parent.

you havnt been paying attention, its not only the device itself that is the issue here, its the polices and behaviors of the companies and its professionals inflicted on those babies regarding language deprivation that is the issue. yes what people DO to their kids does make them bad parents if that DO is denying those babies their damn birth right, their natural language.

Your trying to control people and that is worse than what you claim the doctors and companies are doing cause they are giving people a choice they aren't saying you have to get this product to live.

im not trying to control anyone, i would like multi national cooperation to stop doing what they are doing to my culture and people, i dont view a multi national as a person, so ,,,im trying to stop multi nationals honey and th edamage they are inflictign on my people....
perhaps English is not your first language but "Deaf are implanted against their will with no choice in multiple nations by the very companies that will implant you"
means that the very companies your supporting are the ones denying choice.
im actually informing you here of it,

Your saying that it's not up to the person who wants to get it but it's up to the deaf community if that person can get one if they want it.

no thats not what ive stated, im stating that the choices you make affect others, and that maybe you should pay a little attention to the others who are telling you the products you are seeking to use and the money that they generate for the multinationals you will support harm us.[/QUOTE]

you will choose ot use them regardless.
but its up to us to at least let you know

No one has a say in anyone's choice cause it's their bodies and their lives. You don't know what's in my mine or my intentions or how I feel so you can't have a say on something you don't know.

Deaf have every right to state their case against the multi nationals as much as the multi nationals have to make their case, actually we have more, we are after all th eoens getting screwed..
i only know what you posted, just like those multi nationals drillign into you will know what you tell them

yes

This thread is not about every person who is deaf fitting a CI it's about me deciding on 1 or 2 be cause regardless I am getting 1 on August 5th and that won't change. If I meet some new deaf people and they don't like me for that reason alone then they are my type of people cause I am more than my hearing. Same with hearing people if they don't like me cause I am deaf then too bad I'm doing what's best for me.

its about far far far more then you girl.
have you ever noticed in your life that you don't live in a vacuum?
that what we do, in our lives affect others, by the choices we make, the products we use,
its an integrated system all down the line...

no one is an island

what you feel is best for you, that money earned is used against us.

whether you pay attention to what we are trying to state or just shrug your shoulders is up to you.

 

[hoichi]

How can someone swindle me when it was my idea.

thats usually how swindles begin girl...
lol

think it through

was it your idea?
where did the idea come from?
who's idea was it, who pushed it, how was it framed,
so on so forth

you've never met in your life those clever people who could sell ice to an Eskimo and sand to an arab and do it really good?
i have
i worked with them selling all kinds of things..

 

[aweet_princess198925]

thats usually how swindles begin girl...
lol

think it through

was it your idea?
where did the idea come from?
who's idea was it, who pushed it, how was it framed,
so on so forth

you've never met in your life those clever people who could sell ice to an Eskimo and sand to an arab and do it really good?
i have
i worked with them selling all kinds of things..

The whole inter thing was my idea. I did my research and I brought it up and I pushed it. No one has ever been able to swindle me into anything I have always been my own initiator.


I do not put what makes me happy or what is best for me aside for no one. You keep talking about the companies push this to make money well that is what every company in the world does. Apple, Samsung, Ford, Electronic companies, food companies, fitness companies, and the list goes on. That is the world we live in and there is nothing wrong with anyone making a living.

The CI companies aren't holding guns to know ones heads people make their own choices. And every choice is 50/50 either you do it or you don't.

This thread is not about the companies I can care less about the companies as long as I get what I'm asking for and I have a successful surgery I'm happy. I not being cured but I'm having assistance I will still be deaf at the end of it all. I'm happy my mom said she would not implant me as a baby that she would leave it up to me but even if she did I wouldn't be mad cause she has always done what's best for me.

 

[LoveBlue]

aweet_princess19, save your breath. He likes to argue against CI's, hearing aids, etc.

 

[hoichi]

aweet_princess19, save your breath. He likes to argue against CI's, hearing aids, etc.

first of all its not just me, the issue is larger then me, more then me are against the assimilation, more then just me are opposed to the language deprivation inflicted by the same entities that drill on us, that you support. that reap the billions from the drill are used to rob our chidlren of a future. their dreams, their language.

i care about that .
yep

i don't like arguing, but i wont stand by and see what i see without at least offering our alternative. and stating what is occurring to us, by the use and the push of these things., assuming that many dot know and thus its up to us to inform, them,


is that ok?
or is it only those who like to argue for ci and ha are permitted?

whats wrong with seriously exploring the ramifications of multinational cooperation and their behavior and polices towards linguistic minorities ie Deaf that appear to be and very much look like colonialism in the classic sense, the entities involved act as as such, so do those who actually support their discourse and narratives for that matter, the profit is earned by the devices people like you are addicted to, or worship, fetishize what ever shoe fits.

oh i forgot

it seems only one position is allowed by your statements
well
tough

why not argue against my actual statements, oh right that means youll come up against facts...
instead its
"he liks to argue"
i expected better from you..
underachiever!