Deafies: your opinions, please!

LuciaDisturbed said:
I'd have to ask Jillio about it (but she's been banned), but I think those people may have undiagnosed Munchausen Syndrome. The Wiki doesn't list all of the illnesses, conditions, and also doesn't list disabilities that are feigned by Munchausen sufferers. It seems that on the Wiki, disabilities aren't counted for those with Munchausen Syndrome. So, I don't really know. I don't know all that much about Munchausen.

Munchausen syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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wiki should not be the first place to look at when you're researching about medical-related subjects.
 
Jiro said:
until 31st :mad2:
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Are you sure? Someone told me that Jillio was banned for a week last time, so I think this ban is going to be for a month. At least, that's what it says in the Alldeaf rules where it talks about ban length depending on how many offenses.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
Are you sure? Someone told me that Jillio was banned for a week last time, so I think this ban is going to be for a month. At least, that's what it says in the Alldeaf rules where it talks about ban length depending on how many offenses.
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not always it's as according to the rules. It is pretty much up to mods to dictate the duration. and yes I'm sure because that's what she told me.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
And there are people who WANT to have a dx of BPD as well (Borderline Personality Disorder). They even go as far as to actually cutting and other BPD behaviors.

WHY?

Ugh.
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I think those people who are displaying the behaviors as you say probably should have a diagnosis of Histrionic Personality Disorder.

This is one of the ways of keeping attention focused on themselves.
 
Jiro said:
not always it's as according to the rules. It is pretty much up to mods to dictate the duration. and yes I'm sure because that's what she told me.
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Oh okay. That's true. I believe you since it came from Jillio herself, cause I know that when you get banned, you get a notice when you try to go to the forum, and it tells you how long you'd be banned for. I've been banned a couple times myself in the past.

I just wish it wasn't for this long. Jillio knows more about this stuff than I do, since she is a therapist, and she has a degree, while I don't.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
Oh okay. That's true. I believe you since it came from Jillio herself, cause I know that when you get banned, you get a notice when you try to go to the forum, and it tells you how long you'd be banned for. I've been banned a couple times myself in the past.

I just wish it wasn't for this long. Jillio knows more about this stuff than I do, since she is a therapist, and she has a degree, while I don't.
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oh well...... sit tight....
 
lucia,

wow! i can't believe everything you went through to take care of the girl with bpd you mentioned. that's a true case if i ever heard one. and yet there are people who want to feign cutting simply for the sake of attention? that's nuts.

like i said, i know people on some of the bipolar forums i participate on who WANT to have bipolar and you know what? when you read their posts, their symptoms sound as if they're coming straight out of the dsm: "i feel on top of the world and as if nothing can stop me." "i feel as if am the messiah or the second coming." "when i feel high, i feel REALLY REALLY high." "when i feel low, i feel REALLY REALLY low." "i talk a mile a minute." "i have racing thoughts." usually they always miss at least one major symptom. 95% of them think that just because they have explosive anger that it makes them bipolar, but as you and i know, it doesn't. you also have to have hypomania, mania and/or depression. others indicate that they feel extremely high, but do not mention feeling depressed (although there are some cases of bipolar that have symptoms that are primarily manic).

i'll never understand any of those people and whenever i read their posts, it makes me want to vomit. i'm sorry, but it does. :mad2:
 
Sounds like my mother when she talks about my aunt. My aunt had bipolar and my mom now thinks she is some sort of expert on bipolar disorder, when truth is, she just repeats those kinds of statements you just mentioned, Hear Again. In fact now my mom think she's an expert on all mental illnesses and therefore has me all figured out too. <eyeroll>
 
Nika said:
Sounds like my mother when she talks about my aunt. My aunt had bipolar and my mom now thinks she is some sort of expert on bipolar disorder, when truth is, she just repeats those kinds of statements you just mentioned, Hear Again. In fact now my mom think she's an expert on all mental illnesses and therefore has me all figured out too. <eyeroll>
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<rolling eyes> don't you just love it when someone who knows another person with mental illness thinks they know everything about mental illness in general? and don't you just love the people who WANT to have a mental illness? i'm sorry, but you can clearly tell when someone is bipolar by witnessing how their moods change. using myself as an example, several ad'ers expressed concern after noticing changes in my posts. other ad'ers have been aware of how my moods change on an hourly basis and how i can write a positive, friendly post one minute and a defensive, angry post the next. that's what happens when it comes to bipolar. you just can't "fake it." either you have it or you don't and any good psychiatrist worth their salt should be able to differentiate the valid dx's vs. those that are illegitimate.
 
Tell me about it. My mom has come up with whole theories about what's "wrong with me" instead of just listening to me.

Yes I can tell through your posts that you go through some serious mood changes. I am also sensitive to people's emotional states in general. I don't think anyone could ever successfully fake bipolar.
 
Hear Again said:
like i said, i know people on some of the bipolar forums i participate on who WANT to have bipolar and you know what? when you read their posts, their symptoms sound as if they're coming straight out of the dsm: "i feel on top of the world and as if nothing can stop me." "i feel as if am the messiah or the second coming." "when i feel high, i feel REALLY REALLY high." "when i feel low, i feel REALLY REALLY low." "i talk a mile a minute." "i have racing thoughts." usually they always miss at least one major symptom. 95% of them think that just because they have explosive anger that it makes them bipolar, but as you and i know, it doesn't. you also have to have hypomania, mania and/or depression. others indicate that they feel extremely high, but do not mention feeling depressed (although there are some cases of bipolar that have symptoms that are primarily manic).

i'll never understand any of those people and whenever i read their posts, it makes me want to vomit. i'm sorry, but it does. :mad2:
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Those people on your bipolar forums who claim to have bipolar probably either checked a DSM-IV book out of the library and has it open right next to the computer or has one of the major websites on mental health open on another Internet Explorer or Firefox page while perusing the forums.

Are you ever allowed to call bullshit on those people on those forums, or would you get banned for that?
 
Of course I don't know what it's like to have bipolar, but it definitely seems hard to fake, especially since faking a mood in general is hard to do. Even most feigning is just an attempt to find different reasons to explain a current mood or emotion.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
I had this 20 year old girl who I had in my care who (her social worker placed her in my home for several days until she was able to find another group home that was willing to take her in) has Borderline Personality Disorder. And believe me...I have seen her and her symptoms, and it is NO picnic. And she actually has the dx for real, it is her true dx. I spent the whole fucking weekend trying to keep her safe. Her social worker was WRONG to place her with ME (I was NOT equipped to keep such people safe). She would go into my bathroom and cut herself. I had to call the crisis center on her and have them come pick her up cause I could NOT keep her safe. But as soon as she got to the crisis center, 5 minutes later she would change her mind and sign herself out and come back to my apartment. (The crisis center can't force anyone to stay unless they are drunk or high - the center is a crisis/detox center), they just provide a safe place for people like her to stay if they are "not feeling safe"). I had no choice but to take her back in since she was homeless and had no group home to stay in. The entire weekend, I tried to convince her to check herself into the hospital because she really needed it. She kept saying that they would not help her. I told her that I would make them help her, make them take her. It was back and forth the whole fucking weekend, and I got almost no sleep that whole fucking weekend because every time she fell asleep, I thought it was safe to go to sleep too since she was sleeping. Nope...a couple hours later, I would wake up to go to pee, and she would already be up again, and there would be more cuts on her body. Press replay the whole fucking weekend. My bathroom was a fucking mess, too, and I had to throw out my wash cloths that she used to tend to her cuts, since they were too bloody to wash, and I think you can't wash out blood anyway. Then come Sunday night she started threatening suicide, and I kept telling her that she needed to go to the hospital. She refused, I told her I would call 911, and she said she didn't care, and she went ahead and overdosed on her Ambien, so I dragged her ass to the ER (only 4 blocks away anyway). They put her on a psychiatric hold, and I stayed with her to make sure they would keep her and to make sure they would admit her to the psych ward. I stayed with her all night in the ER to make sure that they kept her and did not let her out of the hospital, and come Monday morning, the psychologist on call came to see her, and I told him EVERYTHING, and I told him that this girl needs help, and that she needs to be in the psych ward, and that she needs long term treatment. She stayed in the local psych ward for a week, and then they committed her, with a court order, to the state hospital about three hours away, for about 6 months. I refused to take her back in after that weekend, and ever since then, I refused to take anyone in. I was younger then, so I didn't know all that much about certification and whatnot, and therefore did not really know that much better. Had I known better, I would have said NO and not allowed the social worker to place her with me, and I would have reported the social worker as well.

I think that social worker was wrong to place her with me, because I did not have any certification nor any degree nor any training to take care of such people. I did have some college classes in psychology and psychiatry, but no degree, no training, and no certification. Psychiatry and psychology is just a hobby/interest of mine, but I do not wish to major in it anymore. I am NOT qualified. I did not know what I was in for when she placed her with me (this was in 2002 or 2003, I believe). Had I known what I was in for, I would have said a big fat "NO" and have told the social worker to place her in the state hospital until a group home was found for that girl. I was still in college at the time, but this occurred during the summer time, I think. I knew she had some depression issues, that she was a cutter, but I didn't know that she was that HARDCORE, (I didn't see her that often to really see all of it) and I had just met her about two or three months earlier, so I did not know her that well enough to know the depth of all her issues, and the social worker did NOT tell me about her issues, did not inform me, anything. She should have informed me. Had she informed me of all of this girl's issues, I would have said NO. She was an adult, so I guess the social worker didn't have any qualms about placing her with me, and I guess to the social worker, certification didn't matter. It should have mattered. I know that with children, you HAVE to be licensed or certified to take them in, but with adults? Not really. Not in Minnesota, anyway, I think (I was living in Minnesota at the time).

Anyway...I saw all of those issues with this girl, and with many other mentally ill people, and then I see people who WANT to have a dx of BPD and WANTS to cut? They think it is nothing, they don't have any idea how serious a true BPD dx really is, and how much someone with a true BPD dx truly suffers. That makes me mad, pisses me off, and annoys me. BPD is not something to be taken lightly, and neither is Bipolar disorder, and many other mental illnesses as I have seen in many other people. Maybe those people who WANT such a dx of a specific mental illness should be made to volunteer in a STATE HOSPITAL for a MONTH, and be MADE to see how OTHER PATIENTS in the hospital function and how they suffer. Maybe that will make them realize how lucky they are not to have a mental illness or mental disorder.

I feel truly sorry for those people that have a true dx of a mental illness or mental disorder. It is not fair for them to have to live with it. It is not something that they can get rid of, can be cured of, etc. They are STUCK with it.
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I want to add that, people like the girl I took care of, are not essentially a lost cause, but BPD, from what I understand, is a difficult disorder to manage, but can, with lots of work and therapy, stabilize, and they have to WANT help. It does get a little easier to manage as one gets older, but it's still not very easy. So when I see people who pretend to have BPD and wants to cut, it pisses me off. If they lived the life of this girl and felt the way this girl actually felt, they would totally change their tune. It's not a FUN disorder, for those with BPD.

The reason I am adding this post is because someone just told me that she doesn't want people on this forum to think that people with BPD is a lost cause and she wants people to know that it can be managed with lots of work and therapy. I cannot reveal the identity of the person I spoke with, though. Sorry.
 
Nika said:
Of course I don't know what it's like to have bipolar, but it definitely seems hard to fake, especially since faking a mood in general is hard to do. Even most feigning is just an attempt to find different reasons to explain a current mood or emotion.
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Hard to fake? ALL the symptoms of Bipolar Disorder are on the internet.

Just look: NAMI

Bipolar Disorder
What is bipolar disorder?

Bipolar disorder, or manic depression, is a medical illness that causes extreme shifts in mood, energy, and functioning. These changes may be subtle or dramatic and typically vary greatly over the course of a person’s life as well as among individuals. Over 10 million people in America have bipolar disorder, and the illness affects men and women equally. Bipolar disorder is a chronic and generally life-long condition with recurring episodes of mania and depression that can last from days to months that often begin in adolescence or early adulthood, and occasionally even in children. Most people generally require some sort of lifelong treatment. While medication is one key element in successful treatment of bipolar disorder, psychotherapy, support, and education about the illness are also essential components of the treatment process.
What are the symptoms of mania?

Mania is the word that describes the activated phase of bipolar disorder. The symptoms of mania may include:

* either an elated, happy mood or an irritable, angry, unpleasant mood
* increased physical and mental activity and energy
* racing thoughts and flight of ideas
* increased talking, more rapid speech than normal
* ambitious, often grandiose plans
* risk taking
* impulsive activity such as spending sprees, sexual indiscretion, and alcohol abuse
* decreased sleep without experiencing fatigue

What are the symptoms of depression?

Depression is the other phase of bipolar disorder. The symptoms of depression may include:

* loss of energy
* prolonged sadness
* decreased activity and energy
* restlessness and irritability
* inability to concentrate or make decisions
* increased feelings of worry and anxiety
* less interest or participation in, and less enjoyment of activities normally enjoyed
* feelings of guilt and hopelessness
* thoughts of suicide
* change in appetite (either eating more or eating less)
* change in sleep patterns (either sleeping more or sleeping less)

What is a "mixed" state?

A mixed state is when symptoms of mania and depression occur at the same time. During a mixed state depressed mood accompanies manic activation.
What is rapid cycling?

Sometimes individuals may experience an increased frequency of episodes. When four or more episodes of illness occur within a 12-month period, the individual is said to have bipolar disorder with rapid cycling. Rapid cycling is more common in women.
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All of this shit is at your fingertips. It can be FAKED.
 
easy read to read but hard to fake it in real life... unless you had PLENTY of experience with it.
 
Nika said:
Of course I don't know what it's like to have bipolar, but it definitely seems hard to fake, especially since faking a mood in general is hard to do. Even most feigning is just an attempt to find different reasons to explain a current mood or emotion.
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It's very easy, Nika, especially over a computer. Like someone (I think Lucia?) just said.... All it takes is someone who knows how to google and a good working knowledge of illnesses and they can fake just about anything.
 
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