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jillio said:
Right. No one seeks validation for the fact that they are human. They seek validation for the belief systems they have, for their ways of being, for the way they self-identify, for their self worth...but not for the fact that they are human. That is just another distortion that indicates how little this poster knows or understands about the topic being discussed.
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For instance, Roman Catholics need to seek validation for their belief system, don't they?
 
TXgolfer said:
Yeah it's amazing how many attempts at combining by definition end up dividing instead.
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Society already divides. This is merely an attempt to give meaning and worth to that division that a stratified society has already enforced.
 
Banjo said:
For instance, Roman Catholics need to seek validation for their belief system, don't they?
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Yes, they do. By associating with and affirming their beliefs through relationships with other Roman Catholics.
 
kokonut said:
So, are you saying that I (or others) need confirmation (i.e. validation) from people to say that I am a human being? Secondly, you don't need my confirmation whether if you're Deaf or not. If you want to use that label or identity, that's your call.
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I don't see anyone asking for YOUR confirmation.:cool2: You are not Deaf. You make that clear on a daily basis.

However, I do see you asking for confirmation from those who take an oral stance, and are audist in their beliefs, several times a day.
 
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kokonut said:
Is it a requirement?
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Is what a requirement? Validation? Yes, it is. It is a basic psychological need that all will seek to fulfill in one way or another. You do it by trying to fit into hearing society.
 
AJWSmith said:
Can anyone clarify for me if Paddy Ladd uses the term "deafhood" (small 'd')? It's been used by several people in this thread, but does he use it?

I've spent the last hour reading stuff by and about Paddy Ladd and it seems to me that he's talking about Deafhood (big 'D'). Paddy Ladd writes about the importance of culture. He doesn't appear to be describing Deafhood as an individual's journey - I've read comments where he distinguishes the collective Deaf culture(s) from the individualism of contemporary western culture.

Also Paddy Ladd seems to make a distinction between Deaf people and hard-of-hearing elderly people who have lived their whole lives as hearing people and are now suffering from mild hearing loss corrected by "invisible" HAs. A comment I read was that the former are made invisible by the latter and that's what he's fighting. I'm not sure where he would people like myself who are deaf, but not part of Deaf community. I get the impression he wants to include people like myself within the concept of Deafhood, but I can't see how as I'm not a sign language user. Maybe somebody who has read Paddy Ladd's book could clarify for me.

P.S. I'm not being lazy as I've ordered the book to read for myself. But it will take a while to be delivered.
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Paddy identifies "D"eafhood. And, yes, he does make that distinction. We all know that the distinction between these groups exists, and that the psychological and social issues of the two groups are very different. Koko seems to be the only one that has difficulty grasping that.
 
DeafCaroline said:
"Well some of the AD'ers including DeafCaroline went as far as saying that if one doesn't embrace Deafhood, he or she should leave the forum."

Where did I say that? Please quote me exactly next time you claim I said certain things. I'm perfectly aware this website is for all people with hearing loss, not just exclusively for the Deaf. And not once did I say if you don't embrace Deafhood, to leave the forum.

I'm really stunned that you are making that accusation when I had said no such thing.
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Don't be stunned. He does this to posters on a regular basis. He can't make his point in any other way.
 
jillio said:
Don't be stunned. He does this to posters on a regular basis. He can't make his point in any other way.
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Some people may have good ideas, but in order to win people over is not by alienating them. Basically, if you promote your ideologies in a condescending and angry manner, you will not get any respect nor support from anyone here.
 
Jiro said:
and yet.... you're proud of labeling yourself as "Proud Patriotic American"... I guess you needed a validation after all...
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Yep... People can't live without labels.
 
Banjo said:
Some people may have good ideas, but in order to win people over is not by alienating them. Basically, if you promote your ideologies in a condescending and angry manner, you will not get any respect nor support from anyone here.
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Exactly.
 
jillio said:
Do all Cubans agree as to exactly what it means to be Cuban? Do all, in my case, Jews or African Americans agree as to what it means to be Jewish or African American? Or even bi-racial?
My answer to that is "no". However, there are some common values, traditions, and norms within those cultures that all can, and do, agree on.
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You raise an excellent point there. :hmm:
 
Banjo said:
For a Roman Catholic, yes.
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And Deafhood requires validation as a requirement, too? Being Deaf requires validation also? Is that what you're saying? How does a personal journey require validation? Must include Deafhood?
 
What is his point exactly?

HOHtopics, next time you condescend to me like you did yesterday (see quote below), and deliberately misquote me, I will forever ignore your existence on this board.

Hohtopics said:
I understand you're trying to "fit in" and cause of that you're obviously overcompensating in here and all that. Not that there's anything wrong with it. But if it's so good to be Deaf, then what took you so long to embrace it? It took you what 40 years or something? You even had a chance 20 years ago but decided to walk away from it. Just saying it constructively.
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kokonut said:
And Deafhood requires validation as a requirement, too? Being Deaf requires validation also? Is that what you're saying? How does a personal journey require validation? Must include Deafhood?
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You require validation. You are seeking it through these posts that you continue to make in an attempt to minimize the importance of the concept of Deafhood. You want someone to confirm that you have made the right decision to identify as HOH and live in a hearing world.
 
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