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jillio said:
But yes, they do serve as a shorthand to identify. Much easier to say "I'm Deaf" than to go through a verbose explanation of exactly what that means.
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I totally agree. That label does serve a shorthand to identify. The purpose to say "I am deaf" is to explain that I cannot hear. The purpose to say "I am Deaf." is to explain that you are part of the Deaf community and you identify with their values, etc. But when it comes to terms like ethnically deaf, deafhood, culturally deaf, and so on, do they really EXPLAIN anything? I mean people here can't even agree what they mean exactly (AND I am not even talking about those who are somewhat anti-Deaf). So to me, they don't really serve as "easy identification". It seems like they serve as something else.
 
Daredevel7 said:
I totally agree. That label does serve a shorthand to identify. The purpose to say "I am deaf" is to explain that I cannot hear. The purpose to say "I am Deaf." is to explain that you are part of the Deaf community and you identify with their values, etc. But when it comes to terms like ethnically deaf, deafhood, culturally deaf, and so on, do they really EXPLAIN anything? I mean people here can't even agree what they mean exactly (AND I am not even talking about those who are somewhat anti-Deaf). So to me, they don't really serve as "easy identification". It seems like they serve as something else.
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Just like everything else in life.
 
Daredevel7 said:
I totally agree. That label does serve a shorthand to identify. The purpose to say "I am deaf" is to explain that I cannot hear. The purpose to say "I am Deaf." is to explain that you are part of the Deaf community and you identify with their values, etc. But when it comes to terms like ethnically deaf, deafhood, culturally deaf, and so on, do they really EXPLAIN anything? I mean people here can't even agree what they mean exactly (AND I am not even talking about those who are somewhat anti-Deaf). So to me, they don't really serve as "easy identification". It seems like they serve as something else.
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The very reason why "D" was developed was to identify the culturally deaf people from people who are not.
 
Daredevel7 said:
I totally agree. That label does serve a shorthand to identify. The purpose to say "I am deaf" is to explain that I cannot hear. The purpose to say "I am Deaf." is to explain that you are part of the Deaf community and you identify with their values, etc. But when it comes to terms like ethnically deaf, deafhood, culturally deaf, and so on, do they really EXPLAIN anything? I mean people here can't even agree what they mean exactly (AND I am not even talking about those who are somewhat anti-Deaf). So to me, they don't really serve as "easy identification". It seems like they serve as something else.
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Yeah it's amazing how many attempts at combining by definition end up dividing instead.
 
kokonut said:
Perhaps they're just "feel good" labels as way to validate oneself for all to see, I suppose? But hey, I just tell them I'm just as real as a human being as you are. No need for validation on my part. I'm just a human being.. I am.
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and yet.... you're proud of labeling yourself as "Proud Patriotic American"... I guess you needed a validation after all...
 
kokonut said:
The very reason why "D" was developed was to identify the culturally deaf people from people who are not.
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and this affect you.... how?
 
TXgolfer said:
Yeah it's amazing how many attempts at combining by definition end up dividing instead.
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Imagine going to a bunch of people with mild hearing loss who wear those tiny small in the ear canal hearing aids, and tell them that they are "Deaf" or "deaf." You probably get the same reaction as going up to a bunch of people with 20/25 vision (nearsighted, farsighted, astigmatism) who wear glasses say that they are "Blind" or "blind."

Ain't gonna work. Pipe dream and all.
 
kokonut said:
Imagine going to a bunch of people with mild hearing loss who wear those tiny small in the ear canal hearing aids, and tell them that they are "Deaf" or "deaf." You probably get the same reaction as going up to a bunch of people with 20/25 vision (nearsighted, farsighted, astigmatism) who wear glasses say that they are "Blind" or "blind."

Ain't gonna work. Pipe dream and all.
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Imagine this.......... We aint stupid.
 
Can anyone clarify Paddy Ladd for me?

Can anyone clarify for me if Paddy Ladd uses the term "deafhood" (small 'd')? It's been used by several people in this thread, but does he use it?

I've spent the last hour reading stuff by and about Paddy Ladd and it seems to me that he's talking about Deafhood (big 'D'). Paddy Ladd writes about the importance of culture. He doesn't appear to be describing Deafhood as an individual's journey - I've read comments where he distinguishes the collective Deaf culture(s) from the individualism of contemporary western culture.

Also Paddy Ladd seems to make a distinction between Deaf people and hard-of-hearing elderly people who have lived their whole lives as hearing people and are now suffering from mild hearing loss corrected by "invisible" HAs. A comment I read was that the former are made invisible by the latter and that's what he's fighting. I'm not sure where he would people like myself who are deaf, but not part of Deaf community. I get the impression he wants to include people like myself within the concept of Deafhood, but I can't see how as I'm not a sign language user. Maybe somebody who has read Paddy Ladd's book could clarify for me.

P.S. I'm not being lazy as I've ordered the book to read for myself. But it will take a while to be delivered.
 
Has it been determined what the "passing score" is NOT to be labeled "stupid"?

A little obscure to be discussed in "deafhood"? Don't understand the connection.

My user name has written a book: Self Matters- for those who want to consider "self" validation. Most public libraries have it>

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"Well some of the AD'ers including DeafCaroline went as far as saying that if one doesn't embrace Deafhood, he or she should leave the forum."

Where did I say that? Please quote me exactly next time you claim I said certain things. I'm perfectly aware this website is for all people with hearing loss, not just exclusively for the Deaf. And not once did I say if you don't embrace Deafhood, to leave the forum.

I'm really stunned that you are making that accusation when I had said no such thing.
 
kokonut said:
This idea is for people who are deaf and hard of hearing, that's condition based. Meaning, those with hearing loss and not about languages per se. There are those who speak and listen only while others sign as their only and preferred means of communicating. The one thing that connect us all is our hearing loss and the need for communication access using the preferred language. Hearing loss and amount of communication access needs vary for each individual with hearing loss. Now, keep in mind, I'm always thinking about my step-father who has a mild hearing loss whenever I address this issue just to keep things into perspective. He wears a hearing aid to address the high frequency hearing loss. That alone does not address language per se but communication access needs.
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You do realize, don't you, that the primary disabling condition of deafness is not lack of sound, but impaired communication in a oral / auditory environment?

How exactly does one address communication needs except through language? You are making virtually no sense.
 
posts from hell said:
Good one there.
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So, are you saying that I (or others) need confirmation (i.e. validation) from people to say that I am a human being? Secondly, you don't need my confirmation whether if you're Deaf or not. If you want to use that label or identity, that's your call.
 
jillio said:
You do realize, don't you, that the primary disabling condition of deafness is not lack of sound, but impaired communication in a oral / auditory environment?

How exactly does one address communication needs except through language? You are making virtually no sense.
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Thats how I see it too.
 
Daredevel7 said:
I totally agree. That label does serve a shorthand to identify. The purpose to say "I am deaf" is to explain that I cannot hear. The purpose to say "I am Deaf." is to explain that you are part of the Deaf community and you identify with their values, etc. But when it comes to terms like ethnically deaf, deafhood, culturally deaf, and so on, do they really EXPLAIN anything? I mean people here can't even agree what they mean exactly (AND I am not even talking about those who are somewhat anti-Deaf). So to me, they don't really serve as "easy identification". It seems like they serve as something else.
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Do all Cubans agree as to exactly what it means to be Cuban? Do all, in my case, Jews or African Americans agree as to what it means to be Jewish or African American? Or even bi-racial?
My answer to that is "no". However, there are some common values, traditions, and norms within those cultures that all can, and do, agree on.
 
kokonut said:
So, are you saying that I (or others) need confirmation (i.e. validation) from people to say that I am a human being?
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Um, "Proud Patriotic American" is not a way of validating one's species.
 
kokonut said:
Imagine going to a bunch of people with mild hearing loss who wear those tiny small in the ear canal hearing aids, and tell them that they are "Deaf" or "deaf." You probably get the same reaction as going up to a bunch of people with 20/25 vision (nearsighted, farsighted, astigmatism) who wear glasses say that they are "Blind" or "blind."

Ain't gonna work. Pipe dream and all.
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Who would ever attempt to do such a thing? This is an absurd statement. It is a complete and total distortion of the concept of Deafhood, and only serves to show how little an understanding you even have of the concept.
 
Banjo said:
Um, "Proud Patriotic American" is not a way of validating one's species.
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Right. No one seeks validation for the fact that they are human. They seek validation for the belief systems they have, for their ways of being, for the way they self-identify, for their self worth...but not for the fact that they are human. That is just another distortion that indicates how little this poster knows or understands about the topic being discussed.
 
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