Deaf view on a CI kid... its a bummer..

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I agree...so many deaf/hoh people I know who would not define themselves as handicapped..just use a different mode of communication. Nothing bad about that.

Hmm I don't like the word "handicapped" either because it has so many negative conotations in our society. I don't have a problem with acknowledging that one of my senses does not work and this is in itself a challenge. I don't share the view that deafness is merely a racial characteristic though either. It can be shown from a medical examination that the body is not working as it's designed to do when it comes to deafness just like other disabilities (sorry, I know some people don't like that word either).

So it comes down to using words sensitivity, acknowledging that just because we have parts of our bodies not working it doesn't have to make us handicapped as people.
 
I have nothing to be jealous of rick. Absolutley nothing. But quite obviously, you do.

I am happy for everyone who is happy but the view that deafness is a handicap needs to be thrown in the trash big time. Let's focus on what deaf people can do not what deaf people cant do. Tooooo much focus on the ears and mouth..wow. :roll:
 
Hmm I don't like the word "handicapped" either because it has so many negative conotations in our society. I don't have a problem with acknowledging that one of my senses does not work and this is in itself a challenge. I don't share the view that deafness is merely a racial characteristic though either. It can be shown from a medical examination that the body is not working as it's designed to do when it comes to deafness just like other disabilities (sorry, I know some people don't like that word either).

So it comes down to using words sensitivity, acknowledging that just because we have parts of our bodies not working it doesn't have to make us handicapped as people.

Right, I have acknowledge that I have a disability but I am not disabled. I agree with u there. :)
 
Fuzzy said she was a single mother for 4 years, if I remember correctly.

Wow, that sounds tough taking out loans. I cant imagine how much medical school must have cost!

Was, not is.

And yes, no one bothers to stop and consider things such as this.
 
Was, not is.

And yes, no one bothers to stop and consider things such as this.

I am stopping now and considering this! I had no idea that u went thru all this. Wow...that had to be tough but yet u did it! I am proud of u. :hug:
 
But I do have a problem with that statement, because my son does not allow his deafness to prevent him from doing anything he sets out to do. He is not handicapped, he is simply different from the majority who happen to be hearing.


You're absolutely correct, and I don't like the word " handicapped " myself either....
 
Deaf means " handicap " ? No way! It's just that eardrums are broken. That's all. It doesn't mean that the eardrums are sittin' in the wheelchair as handicap. Gee, where did you get that idea from ?
 
I am stopping now and considering this! I had no idea that u went thru all this. Wow...that had to be tough but yet u did it! I am proud of u. :hug:

Thank you, shel.
 
But I do have a problem with that statement, because my son does not allow his deafness to prevent him from doing anything he sets out to do. He is not handicapped, he is simply different from the majority who happen to be hearing.

Your son Jillio is handicapped, period. He can't hear like normal hearing person - like YOU - can he?

If he is DEAF - he is handicapped. Period. Since when the word "handicapped". as "hearing impaired" is shameful? It's the meaning that people put on world that changes its character. Handicaped is being disabled, disabled is lacking ability to do something - like hearing. If you can't hear, you lack ability to hear, simple.
Nothing more nothing less.

If somebody comes up to me and says - so, you can't hear - you are disabled. I say yes, that's true. Oh, you can't hear, you are handicaped. I say yes,true. Then somebody asks me did your disability/handicap stopped you from doing what you wanted? I say NO, it didn't. Only I can let let me or stop myself from doing what I want.
I am disabled or handicapped, but I am not UNABLE or INCAPABLE.

When Cloggy said "you are handicapped" he meant simply you lack hearing.

He didn't said - you are handicapped AND incapable, unable, unsuccessful etc.

he never said Jill your son is UNable to do whatever he wishes to do because of his handicap.

Fuzzy
 
Are we done with the semantics now; is everybody happy and can carry on to other things?
 
Your son Jillio is handicapped, period. He can't hear like normal hearing person - like YOU - can he?

If he is DEAF - he is handicapped. Period. Since when the word "handicapped". as "hearing impaired" is shameful? It's the meaning that people put on world that changes its character. Handicaped is being disabled, disabled is lacking ability to do something - like hearing. If you can't hear, you lack ability to hear, simple.
Nothing more nothing less.

If somebody comes up to me and says - so, you can't hear - you are disabled. I say yes, that's true. Oh, you can't hear, you are handicaped. I say yes,true. Then somebody asks me did your disability/handicap stopped you from doing what you wanted? I say NO, it didn't. Only I can let let me or stop myself from doing what I want.
I am disabled or handicapped, but I am not UNABLE or INCAPABLE.

When Cloggy said "you are handicapped" he meant simply you lack hearing.

He didn't said - you are handicapped AND incapable, unable, unsuccessful etc.

he never said Jill your son is UNable to do whatever he wishes to do because of his handicap.

Fuzzy

And by definition, fuzzy, hadicapped implies reduced functioning. As my son functions as well as his hearing peers do. Therefore, he is not, by definition, handicapped.

However, you are greatly handicapped by your ignorance.

And, if my son were ever to encounter you, and to see you refer to him as handicapped, I would hope that he would be functioning optimally sothat he would sign to you to kiss his ass.

The fact that you see yourself as handicapped is the biggest part of your maladjustment. You don't see yourself as whole, and therefore, are resentful of those whom you believe to be non-handicapped, and you continually strive to prove to them that you aren't, or when that doesn't work, rely on your self appointed handicapped status as an attempt to gain sympathy. GAWD, what a whiner.
 
Why are you so threatened by someone who actually has the motivation and the will to change a situation? Not all of us sit and whine like you do...

On the contrary, looks like you are extremely threatend by me.
You can't let any single post directed at me without lenghty comments. Even teh silliest subject - you are there frothing at the mouth.
I wonder why do I threatend you so much. I already said "whatever decision you undertook about your son is fine with me". If he is blooming, happy - then what's the problem?

I would do differently, if I had deaf child, I would make sure he would also be able to use CI at its most optimal - and in addition to all your son have, my child would also hear with CI. But that's me.
Like I've said - if you are happy, then all is fine. You know how a lot of deaf people here without CI and HAs reassure you that living like that is good - so believe it, finally, to stop the gnawing doubts that still ooze out of you. JUST BELIEVE IT. YOU CHOSE WELL. YOU DID.

As for whining, you stop whining how hard it was with loans etc. Everybody have all sorts of loans and huge debts to pay. I have to.

And while you are at it, you take out loans to attend medical school and then to open a practice, and tell me how long it takes to you pay off that thousands of dollars in debt. Oh,

medical school is not the only are where large loans are to be paid. And after medical school you at least have solid salary at the start. learn to budget, and it can be well balanced. I have physician in the family, too.

And as you've called it -for "fucking not having ideas how it is", yes it is very sad to have a new husband and a young father die, and I am very sorry about that. Truly and very very sorry. If I could bring him back for you, I would.

Now you, YOU try to immigrate by SELF to a foreign country, where you know no people, find a job without speaking a language AND being HoH, immigrate to yet another country with different language where you have to start anew, then at one point in life try to be a single DEAF mother, hon. that's just a few.


And since you apparently know sh*t about me, I would suggest ONCE AND FOR ALL please stop making unfounded in fact any assumption about me. as I asked you many times before.

Shel just proved you just missed quite and important fact in this about me (something I have already stated, btw selective reading, huh) - I did was 4 years single mother).

And thank you SHEL. Yes, you remembered well.


Fuzzy
 
And by definition, fuzzy, hadicapped implies reduced functioning. As my son functions as well as his hearing peers do.


Really? Can he fine tune piano?

Fuzzy
 
On the contrary, looks like you are extremely threatend by me.
You can't let any single post directed at me without lenghty comments. Even teh silliest subject - you are there frothing at the mouth.
I wonder why do I threatend you so much. I already said "whatever decision you undertook about your son is fine with me". If he is blooming, happy - then what's the problem?

I would do differently, if I had deaf child, I would make sure he would also be able to use CI at its most optimal - and in addition to all your son have, my child would also hear with CI. But that's me.
Like I've said - if you are happy, then all is fine. You know how a lot of deaf people here without CI and HAs reassure you that living like that is good - so believe it, finally, to stop the gnawing doubts that still ooze out of you. JUST BELIEVE IT. YOU CHOSE WELL. YOU DID.

As for whining, you stop whining how hard it was with loans etc. Everybody have all sorts of loans and huge debts to pay. I have to.



medical school is not the only are where large loans are to be paid. And after medical school you at least have solid salary at the start. learn to budget, and it can be well balanced. I have physician in the family, too.

And as you've called it -for "fucking not having ideas how it is", yes it is very sad to have a new husband and a young father die, and I am very sorry about that. Truly and very very sorry. If I could bring him back for you, I would.

Now you, YOU try to immigrate by SELF to a foreign country, where you know no people, find a job without speaking a language AND being HoH, immigrate to yet another country with different language where you have to start anew, then at one point in life try to be a single DEAF mother, hon. that's just a few.


And since you apparently know sh*t about me, I would suggest ONCE AND FOR ALL please stop making unfounded in fact any assumption about me. as I asked you many times before.

Shel just proved you just missed quite and important fact in this about me (something I have already stated, btw selective reading, huh) - I did was 4 years single mother).

And thank you SHEL. Yes, you remembered well.


Fuzzy

Your ignorance is showing again!:laugh2: And I'm not whining. Simply stating facts. That's the way it was and I dealt with it. Got on with my life. You would do well to try to do the same. I never even mentioned my circumstances until you brought it up. Whatsa matta, fuzzy? Trying to make yourself feel better for your perceived inadequacies?
 
Really? Can he fine tune piano?

Fuzzy

How would being able to tune a piano contribute to his quality of life? He does not work as a piano tuner. Duh!

Can all hearing people tune a piano? I think not. Are they handicapped?
 
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"My daughter is deaf. Deaf people are handicapped. My daughter is handicapped........
......my daughter can hear... is perfect, happy and is not bothered by her handicap. Like most people that are deaf.

You forgot the last part.

Or... can you only see people with a handicap as creatures that cannot take care of themself, need constant assitance, rely on other people, etc...
Missing a limb, a sense, a deformation etc is considered a handicap. This does not mean that the handicap has to affect the life of the person. But it can. Some people will let the handicap rule their life, some people will let life rule the handicap. some people will ignore the handicap...

Anyway....
My daughter is deaf, she can hear...
 
She already did. Or can you not read the post numbers?

Ahhh, so yur daughter is deaf, and in your reasoning,that also means you consider her to handicapped.
Read them, went there and didn't find any statement about my daughter being Deaf...

You should try that.... actually read a post. Very refreshing!
 
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