"Deaf People can do anything but hear" whats wrong with this slogan - discuss

deafskeptic said:
Um I mean if they still make them any more!
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Yeah. They still make them. My son has one that he uses just for relay calls to make appts. and to contact with businesses he can't reach any other way.
 
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Grummer said:
how about ?
Hey Hearing people,
We spoke with our mouths, now its time for you to sign with your hands,
stop being lazy!
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Ooohhh I love that one Grummer! That one's a keeper. WTG!
 
Grummer said:
The famous slogan, 'Deaf people can do anything except hear" is counter-productive.
This is because for many hearing people in businesses would tend to back off at the instant when they notice the cost of addressing the so-called 'communication problems' by not only in a economic business sense but also of time (they think time is money) then they get uncomfortable and prefer someone else to employ them...so goes the 'ping-pong' effect, but a forever ping-pong situation!.
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I do like that slogan, and I don't think it's negative in any way. It is a separate thing from issues with accommodations from employers. It's a way to say that we can do any job or task that a hearing person can do except to hear. It's really that simple, and it reinforces our potential for any job.

"I am an engineer. I can do anything but hear."

"I am a firefighter and EMT. I can do anything but hear."

"I am a nurse. I can do anything but hear."

"I am a teacher. I can do anything but hear."

"I am the President of the United States. I can do anything but hear."

This slogan is another way of saying "Don't think I am incapable because *points* my ears don't work. The rest of my body does work." It's also another way of saying "I may not be able to hear, but I still can do anything."

Whether someone is HH, has a CI/HA, can speak well, etc is totally beside the point and detracts from the core issue. The core issue is that some people look at deaf people and go "OH NOES!!! DEAF PEOPLE HAVE NO SKILLZ!!" An employer might begrudgingly hire an interpreter for an interview, but that still doesn't change his attitude about a deaf applicant's skills and abilities. Costs of accommodations may be a factor, but it's always the attitude that screws up an employer's view of deaf employees.
 
I hear with my eyes most of the time....

but on topic, I like the slogan, it makes me feel as if I can do anything aside from what my folks kept telling me all these years how I'm limited....

You can be whatever you want to be.
 
How about this for an alternative slogan?

Deaf people can teach the world to see

It emphasizes that we can do something better than most hearing people and this is to see - I mean to really see, not merely have your eyes open. For example Deaf people have created a rich language that can be communicated on a purely visual basis with no need for sound, an amazing achievement beyond the ability of most hearing people. Nearly all hearing people I know admire the expressiveness of sign language and the world will be poorer without it. Even deaf people who don't sign will say that they are better at reading visual things like body language, lip movements, facial expressions and so on.
 
AJWSmith said:
How about this for an alternative slogan?

Deaf people can teach the world to see

It emphasizes that we can do something better than most hearing people and this is to see - I mean to really see, not merely have your eyes open. For example Deaf people have created a rich language that can be communicated on a purely visual basis with no need for sound, an amazing achievement beyond the ability of most hearing people. Nearly all hearing people I know admire the expressiveness of sign language and the world will be poorer without it. Even deaf people who don't sign will say that they are better at reading visual things like body language, lip movements, facial expressions and so on.
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Hey, I really like that one!
 
I had to tell businesses that TTY is outdated and that we use VRS nowadays, so they probably need to get a new line dedicated to helping the Deaf that prefer to use VRS.

Technology for us is catching up.. but there is room for improvement. We need the kind of technology that will help us to keep up with the pace in society -- that pace has nothing to do with our deafness, and everything to do with people's need to have things done yesterday. Time is money, as awful as that sounds.

I dislike using IM/regular relay services that 'have' to announce relay service -- what's the fukken point of announcing that to weird out hearies and to make us feel more weirded out? I love how Purple gives us the option to not announce relay service -- and I'm not even working for Purple. lol!

VRS is awesome and I have noticed that hearing peeps love it when I use that -- it's fast and keeps up with the pace, unlike the typing thing.
 
AJWSmith said:
How about this for an alternative slogan?

Deaf people can teach the world to see

It emphasizes that we can do something better than most hearing people and this is to see - I mean to really see, not merely have your eyes open. For example Deaf people have created a rich language that can be communicated on a purely visual basis with no need for sound, an amazing achievement beyond the ability of most hearing people. Nearly all hearing people I know admire the expressiveness of sign language and the world will be poorer without it. Even deaf people who don't sign will say that they are better at reading visual things like body language, lip movements, facial expressions and so on.
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That is awesome!!! I love it! :ty:
 
AJWSmith said:
How about this for an alternative slogan?

Deaf people can teach the world to see

It emphasizes that we can do something better than most hearing people and this is to see - I mean to really see, not merely have your eyes open. For example Deaf people have created a rich language that can be communicated on a purely visual basis with no need for sound, an amazing achievement beyond the ability of most hearing people. Nearly all hearing people I know admire the expressiveness of sign language and the world will be poorer without it. Even deaf people who don't sign will say that they are better at reading visual things like body language, lip movements, facial expressions and so on.
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This is a GREAT one! It's positive and thought provoking.
 
Liza said:
I had to tell businesses that TTY is outdated and that we use VRS nowadays, so they probably need to get a new line dedicated to helping the Deaf that prefer to use VRS.

Technology for us is catching up.. but there is room for improvement. We need the kind of technology that will help us to keep up with the pace in society -- that pace has nothing to do with our deafness, and everything to do with people's need to have things done yesterday. Time is money, as awful as that sounds.

I dislike using IM/regular relay services that 'have' to announce relay service -- what's the fukken point of announcing that to weird out hearies and to make us feel more weirded out? I love how Purple gives us the option to not announce relay service -- and I'm not even working for Purple. lol!

VRS is awesome and I have noticed that hearing peeps love it when I use that -- it's fast and keeps up with the pace, unlike the typing thing.
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In an ideal world, yes. But in reality, it is hard enough just to get them to accept a relay call. And most don't even have a TTY line. They are not going to go to the trouble of making video calls easy for the Deaf.
 
Seems my TTY Ultra Tech 1140 outdated-supposedly. Just continue using for indefinite future. Thanks to 711

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07
 
AJWSmith said:
How about this for an alternative slogan?

Deaf people can teach the world to see

It emphasizes that we can do something better than most hearing people and this is to see - I mean to really see, not merely have your eyes open. For example Deaf people have created a rich language that can be communicated on a purely visual basis with no need for sound, an amazing achievement beyond the ability of most hearing people. Nearly all hearing people I know admire the expressiveness of sign language and the world will be poorer without it. Even deaf people who don't sign will say that they are better at reading visual things like body language, lip movements, facial expressions and so on.
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Even Better, its a great one

Right im gonna go find a T-shirt printer and commission them to print out a 1,000 T-shirts of that...nah jst kidding Im not rich enough, but one or 2 of those would be fantastic to have
I think maybe my one is a little too negative but hey folks, i sometimes dread the late 20th/early 21st century on having too much 'positivism' like dont wanna run risk of not driving hard enough to point, but this one is a good onem great thinking AJW
 
AJWSmith said:
Deaf people can teach the world to see
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*devilsadvocate* Then people who have vision problems will have issues with that slogan */devilsadvocate*

Liza said:
I had to tell businesses that TTY is outdated and that we use VRS nowadays, so they probably need to get a new line dedicated to helping the Deaf that prefer to use VRS.

I dislike using IM/regular relay services that 'have' to announce relay service -- what's the fukken point of announcing that to weird out hearies and to make us feel more weirded out? I love how Purple gives us the option to not announce relay service -- and I'm not even working for Purple. lol!
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We do have to give these companies a bit of credit for trying to keep up with us. You know, they finally set up a TTY line and *boom* deaf people are using VRS. What's next? A line that handles 3DVRS (Three Dimensional Video Relay Service)? :laugh2:

You can tell any relay op of any relay service not to announce themselves.

I do dislike using IM-based relay services because I prefer real-time typing like Sprint had before they switched over to IM-based relays. Yes I do use the VP for my calls, but there are situations where I may not have access to a VP so the computer is the next convenient tool to use.

drphil said:
Seems my TTY Ultra Tech 1140 outdated-supposedly. Just continue using for indefinite future. Thanks to 711
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Liza didn't mean that nobody else will be using a TTY; there are people who do still use TTY, like people who can't talk, people who can't sign and thus can't use a VRS, people who can't afford internet service, et cetera. Plus there are public places with TTY payphones and no smartphone has been equipped to deal with VP calls yet. It's impossible for TTYs to completely fall out of use, at least not for the next 50 years.
 
kristy2078 said:
*devilsadvocate* Then people who have vision problems will have issues with that slogan */devilsadvocate*



We do have to give these companies a bit of credit for trying to keep up with us. You know, they finally set up a TTY line and *boom* deaf people are using VRS. What's next? A line that handles 3DVRS (Three Dimensional Video Relay Service)? :laugh2:

You can tell any relay op of any relay service not to announce themselves.

I do dislike using IM-based relay services because I prefer real-time typing like Sprint had before they switched over to IM-based relays. Yes I do use the VP for my calls, but there are situations where I may not have access to a VP so the computer is the next convenient tool to use.



Liza didn't mean that nobody else will be using a TTY; there are people who do still use TTY, like people who can't talk, people who can't sign and thus can't use a VRS, people who can't afford internet service, et cetera. Plus there are public places with TTY payphones and no smartphone has been equipped to deal with VP calls yet. It's impossible for TTYs to completely fall out of use, at least not for the next 50 years.
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i have an issue with Blind people they are assholes, for they are allowed everything and more, my theory is that they 'look perfect' and speak perfect but one big problem no sight, so they get given everything. Where I am from, blind people are allowed to received the benefits AND have full time jobs with NO cuts, cheeky wankers, as i found out there was a history where in the early history of our politics one of the members went blind so a loophole was created....sic if that was 'gone deaf' it might be different , but but, deafness have langauge issues and a 'more accessible fix in terms of medicine' blindness was way way way more complext so it was more chanced to be left alone....
 
Grummer said:
i have an issue with Blind people they are assholes, for they are allowed everything and more
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For starters, blind people can't drive. Therefore, they are limited to asking someone for a ride, using public transportation (if their town has it and it doesn't suck), or walking along dangerous roads. They can't even ride a bike on their own. Deaf people can drive or ride a bus and get themselves to a job site or to some place for entertainment.

Secondly, blind people are less likely to have a job. About 40% of blind people before retirement age are working. About 60% of deaf people are working. Most jobs require the use of eyes, and we have functional eyes. For blind parents, it's tougher to keep an 'eye' on their children.

And what else is part of "allowed everything?" We have captions, interpreters, relay services, Medicare/caid, SSI/SSDI, service dogs, etc.
 
numbers dont mean much- it doesnt tell alot about their experiences ( i know its quite rough, but what im saying they get alot more prefered treatment where we d/Deaf get the shits for not learning English, and not being able to use phone or talk to hearies for 'jobs' working with people, yes indeed there are some deafs who do that, but not as many as media LIKES to lead you on about how happy we really are, we aren't.
We're happy with our social lives (if involved with Deaf clubs/sports/socials)but outside that its quite miserable - ask ANY Real Deaf in here - the ones whose identify with the capital "D" .... go on...
surely being blind is no fun, but i do know some in real life, and they are SPOILT!.....and in such a way that its 'granted' to them providing they deny their 'blind groupness' but only talk about walking sticks, they get alot of practices in places they only go to, so hence they practice to be walking like sighted , quite impressive, but when i talked to them (one was my lecturer) he shrugged off as thats the habit to blend in...and this is a Professor of Sociology of Disability...even he agrees (opposed to other blind people) that their entitlement to extras isnt really justified it doesnt tell the whole story....i cant be bothered going at LENGTH...its not my area .. all i know its arent right, when there are other people with different impairments which are 10 x worse and they get NOTHING, or just barely small amounts...its something Ive known, im mistakened about it...but it is not in USA, but another thing, USA doesnt represent the bloody world wide disability issues, its set up is to kind of perpentuate the American dream myth (sic)...
id leave it there...no use to argue with little prospect that you'd understand anything (if anything at all)
 
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