"Deaf People can do anything but hear" whats wrong with this slogan - discuss

"if every child (hearing and deaf) learns sign in school, deafness would no longer be considered a disability"
only if,
and I disagree, because it is a fantasy blown out proportion, much like for the audist thinking; "if every deaf child learns to speak in school, deafness would no longer be a disability"...it is just the think kind of wishful thinking but at the other extreme from the other side of the continuum of Hearing ...>>>...HOH/Hearing Impaired...>>>...Deaf

sorry i just dont think it's workable, deafness and disability is not just the language issue, its the societial behaviour towards different people.
Wiping out differences, its gonna be like wiping out colours, we Need variety or else the world is Dead.
 
If I cannot hear at a certain frequency, that will not change no matter how much amplification exists. Duh! You'd think that this would be obvious but hearing people can't seem to grasp the concept. I think that an audiogram helps them understand, if they are willing to listen.
 
sallylou said:
If I cannot hear at a certain frequency, that will not change no matter how much amplification exists. Duh! You'd think that this would be obvious but hearing people can't seem to grasp the concept. I think that an audiogram helps them understand, if they are willing to listen.
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I don't think even an audiogram will help for some hearing. But yeah I notice that many hearing don't understand the concept of deafness.
 
My problem with that quote is that is still places the primary focus on lack of hearing. We need something that focuses on the strengths and capabilities, not something that focused on the loss.
 
deafskeptic said:
I don't think even an audiogram will help for some hearing. But yeah I notice that many hearing don't understand the concept of deafness.
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Even some that live with it daily. They just can't seem to get outside of their own experience and walk in another's shoes.
 
faire_jour said:
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i certainly didn't say they hear like hearing people, i said they could hear. That is a simple fact. Too bad if people decided to get pissed about it.
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It is not a fact. That statement needs a great deal of clarification to even come close to being a fact.

No one is pissed. In fact, no one reacts to your posts at all anymore. We all know what to expect, and just pass on by without giving it much attention at all. Certainly isn't anything to react stongly to.
 
jillio said:
Even some that live with it daily. They just can't seem to get outside of their own experience and walk in another's shoes.
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True, that. My statement up above factors in all CI users; not just children. I pesonally know a child with a CI and she does very well. But, I also know an adult with a CI who was implanted in her 20s, and, she still relies on speechreading and CC.

But, this idea "We can do anything but hear" may have been meant to be positive, but by throwing that "but" in there, automatically turns it into a negative. It's as if you're saying to a deaf person, "But, you can't hear!"


Excuse my sarcasm here, but, "Thank you, Captain Obvious. But, it's a problem for you, because....."

I say lose the slogans and start living life in a much more authentic way!
 
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Like Grummer says it does not present any of the issues that are unique to Deaf culture. The ....'But hear' immediately cuts out the essence of equality of the Deaf in the minds of the Hearing. Therefore we need slogans that display the uniqueness of Deaf culture in a positive way.
'Unspoken language,the language of the Deaf, surpasses all language barriers across all cultures'
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Yeah, especially with how businesses rely on verbal communication nowadays.

Almost every job out there requires use of phone and to see "but hear" can be a stopper right there for people.
 
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VamPyroX said:
BecLak said:
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Like Grummer says it does not present any of the issues that are unique to Deaf culture. The ....'But hear' immediately cuts out the essence of equality of the Deaf in the minds of the Hearing. Therefore we need slogans that display the uniqueness of Deaf culture in a positive way.
'Unspoken language,the language of the Deaf, surpasses all language barriers across all cultures'
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Yeah, especially with how businesses rely on verbal communication nowadays.

Almost every job out there requires use of phone and to see "but hear" can be a stopper right there for people.
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Phones can used without speech. Landlines are fast becoming obcelete. Most conferencing is done over video and instant messaging. Families also - we don't have a phone landline. Its for internet only.
 
So much communication is by email even for hearing people. It's also important for documenting things. You can get by without using the phone very much.
 
sallylou said:
So much communication is by email even for hearing people. It's also important for documenting things. You can get by without using the phone very much.
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Yeah, for my job, the only time I ever use the phone is for conference calls with people in other offices, everything else is email/IM/face to face meetings. Can't say we've ever had any video conference calls, though, in the past 5 years or so of working for fairly large corporations. But I'd say I only use a phone for my job maybe once every other week? And even that is fairly low on the importance list.
 
sallylou said:
So much communication is by email even for hearing people. It's also important for documenting things. You can get by without using the phone very much.
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It's my experience that no one answers emails! Not the utility companies nor dentists nor doctors nor the laser hair removal nor the hairdresser etc etc etc.

It's so funny - everyone said it must be so much easier for me with all this technology nowadays and I still have to ask my son to make his own doctor and dentist appointments. To help me call the gas or phone company or my hairdresser.
 
VamPyroX said:
Yeah, especially with how businesses rely on verbal communication nowadays.

Almost every job out there requires use of phone and to see "but hear" can be a stopper right there for people.
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There are many ways to get around using a phone in this day and time. I don't see it as an obstacle at all. It was an issue prior to the technological advances that everyone uses today, sure; but even hearing people have ceased to use a telephone in conducting business the way they once did. And the technology for accommodation is easily obtained and very, very low cost when compared to accommodation for other disabilities.
 
DeafCaroline said:
It's my experience that no one answers emails! Not the utility companies nor dentists nor doctors nor the laser hair removal nor the hairdresser etc etc etc.

It's so funny - everyone said it must be so much easier for me with all this technology nowadays and I still have to ask my son to make his own doctor and dentist appointments. To help me call the gas or phone company or my hairdresser.
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Don't the utility companies have a TDD line? And my son uses relay to contact people like doctors and dentists. He lets them know up front that he will be using a relay service and educates them on what to expect when a relay call comes through.
 
I don't have a landline, cancelled it about a year ago, thought it was ridiculous to pay money for a phone line that I actually used maximum once every three months especially with Bell Canada finding endless reasons to add surcharges to my phone without telling me first. And even utility companies hang up on relay operators. doesn't matter, it's not like I need my sons to call every day, just once in a blue moon so they're okay with it.
 
DeafCaroline said:
I don't have a landline, cancelled it about a year ago, thought it was ridiculous to pay money for a phone line that I actually used maximum once every three months especially with Bell Canada finding endless reasons to add surcharges to my phone without telling me first. And even utility companies hang up on relay operators. doesn't matter, it's not like I need my sons to call every day, just once in a blue moon so they're okay with it.
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In the States, you can get your TDD line for free from the phone company. That makes a bit of a difference. Few people do have landlines these days.
 
But do you have to have a landline first in order to get a free tdd line?

I have to say it's such a relief not having a landline anymore because it forces people to contact me in other ways so it actually turned out to be a good thing.
 
DeafCaroline said:
But do you have to have a landline first in order to get a free tdd line?

I have to say it's such a relief not having a landline anymore because it forces people to contact me in other ways so it actually turned out to be a good thing.
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My son doesn't. He just has the TDD line. He uses his Blackberry and his computer for everything else.
 
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