Deaf Education research......

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faire_jour said:
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there are actually several (more than 10 i believe) masters programs for teachers of the deaf that focus on auditory oral education.
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And many many more that actually address the issues. Check out the enrollees in those programs. The vast majority have never had contact with a deaf person.
 
deafgal001 said:
Everywhere I go, there's brailles and they are not permitted to use it? Access is right on their fingertips...
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Mostly it is because so many things are on tape now. Where we used to order braille versions of text books for our blind and low vision students, we now get everything on tape because there is more available that way.

But I agree; braille signs posted in elevators that show floor number, restroom signs, etc. are brailled now. So blind children need to be learning the skill. I currently have a student, for example, that uses text books on tape, but he also uses a braille calculator. He is taking advanced math classes right now.
 
jillio said:
Again with the speech! Soooo obvious what your issue is. I would rather have a well educated child that can't speak a word than a drastically undereducated one that will be un or underemployed all their life just because someone decided that speech was so important to living a productive life.
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Me too..I find that much much more important than speech skills.

However, it wont stop me from giving every child an opportunity to develop speech/spoken skills.

Education, literacy, and healthy socio-emotiona development is my #1 primary for these kids.
 
jillio said:
That has virtually nothing to do with the discussion. While there are those parents that do that, more frequently they switch to oral in midstream because they find that learning ASL actually requires a great deal of effort and practice.
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Then it becomes about meeting their needs, not the child's.
 
jillio said:
Again with the speech! Soooo obvious what your issue is. I would rather have a well educated child that can't speak a word than a drastically undereducated one that will be un or underemployed all their life just because someone decided that speech was so important to living a productive life.
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Not speech, I am talking about language. And why on earth would using spoken language mean that someone would end up unemployed? As I have always said, language is the most important thing (along with literacy, obviously) not which language or mode.
 
deafgal001 said:
Speech and language go hand and hand.
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You're absolutely correct. And the person you're replying to demanded earlier to know how to teach or learn spoken language. I wonder why, when the "mode" was not important in just the very post before yours.
 
deafgal001 said:
Speech and language go hand and hand.
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We have had a looooooooooooooooooooooooong discussion about that. It is like saying that ASL is just the handshapes. Yes, speech is a tiny part of spoken language, but it is by far one of the least important qualities. You can have completely unintelligible speech but great language and great speech and terrible language.
 
AlleyCat said:
You're absolutely correct. And the person you're replying to demanded earlier to know how to teach or learn spoken language. I wonder why, when the "mode" was not important in just the very post before yours.
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Demanded? Seriously? Where?
 
AlleyCat said:
Look at the very previous page. It's your own post.
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I asked how one would go about having ASL as the language of communication at all times and still be immersed in and successfully become fluent in spoken language. It is what so many here say that advocate for, but are unwilling to share how to accomplish that. (If you are using ASL at school and at home and for all communications, how do you ever learn the other language?) And I think that is a valid question. It isn't a demand. I just want to know if anyone who wants that actually has a plan for how to get the kids there.
 
faire_jour said:
I asked how one would go about having ASL as the language of communication at all times and still be immersed in and successfully become fluent in spoken language. It is what so many here say that advocate for, but are unwilling to share how to accomplish that. (If you are using ASL at school and at home and for all communications, how do you ever learn the other language?) And I think that is a valid question. It isn't a demand. I just want to know if anyone who wants that actually has a plan for how to get the kids there.
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Two ways:

1) Magic.

or

2) Speech therapy once a week for an hour on Tuesday nights only.
 
A blind child is not restricted in communication. They can use books on tape instead of braille, and still have complete access to the material.
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true, but they are still restricted in learning and accessing the material, b/c they have to use their residual vision. I have a friend who went to Perkins and he didn't even learn Braille?!?! There is however a new push to get blind kids literate in Braille, b/c there's an employment link. There's a wicked high rate of unemployment in the blind community (most blind kids are mainstreamed and taught to use their residual vision...gee doesn't THAT sound familiar?) But they have noted that Braille literacy is equated with better socio ecnonomic status.
Me too..I find that much much more important than speech skills.

However, it wont stop me from giving every child an opportunity to develop speech/spoken skills.

Education, literacy, and healthy socio-emotiona development is my #1 primary for these kids.
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Thirded! Most dhh kids can develop spoken English abilty. I believe you don't have to hyperfocus on spoken language and make life an eternal spoken language therapy session, and that dhh kids can grow up bilingal and aquire both ASL and speech simintanously!
 
Daredevel7 said:
Two ways:

1) Magic.

or

2) Speech therapy once a week for an hour on Tuesday nights only.
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Many deaf people, especially those without CIs, have done it. AlleyCat is one of them.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Two ways:

1) Magic.

or

2) Speech therapy once a week for an hour on Tuesday nights only.
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You would deny a child their right to ASL for an hour on Tuesday nights?????????? AUDIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
shel90 said:
Many deaf people, especially those without CIs, have done it. AlleyCat is one of them.
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So am I. Like I said, speech therapy for 1 hour, Tuesday nights. That's what I did. ;)

Although I DID go to a hearing school....
 
well I still want to know how that girl in Sound and fury learn English so well from a deaf school that her parents sent her.
 
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