Deaf child hears for the first time

Foxrac said:
Get a friend or relative who willing to interpret, or typing or writing to communicate with extended families.
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But, isn't the whole point of your education to make you less dependent on other people? Isn't the whole point to make you strong enough to stand up on your own no matter what happens in life?

Seriously, I wouldn't want my kid to depend on other people for help because other people are not dependable.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
But, isn't the whole point of your education to make you less dependent on other people? Isn't the whole point to make you strong enough to stand up on your own no matter what happens in life?

Seriously, I wouldn't want my kid to depend on other people for help because other people are not dependable.
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I had speech therapy for 10 years and it didn't work for me. I had very serious trouble to understand the speech, including lipreading.

The oral language doesn't work for all deaf people - it is based on case by case basis.

Are you saying about oral language is easy and instant to use for deaf people?

If speech is out of question so there are other options.
 
ambrosia said:
I think part of the problem is that this is looked at so black and white by some. You're either deaf of hearing, when there is such a HUGE varying degree in the audiogram. I would think that kids with no real access to speech sounds wouldn't benefit as much with oral skills as a kid who can access the speech sounds, so why deny oral skills to a deaf/hoh kid just because some deaf kids can't access them?

I would seriously debate with about how "lucky" I am :giggle:

But I don't really know exactly how much my memory of sound helps me vs if someone had my exact same loss but were born with it. I don't know how much it helps me recognize speech sounds. I think it would be an interesting study, probably fairly useless, but I'm curious enough about it.

My left ear actually gets no speech, it's loss starts at 100db at 250K, drops to 110db and stays there until 8K where it goes back up to 100db. My right one, my "good" one, starts at 90db at 250k, drops to 100db at 500k, then bops around between 105 and 110 db until like 6.5k where it goes back up to 100. Would my "listening" skills be as good as they are if I was born with this loss, I have no idea. But "hearies" do get frustrated with me, that I do need repeats, that I do struggle. They just don't understand how amazing it is that I can hear what I do hear. I don't really expect them to though, how could they? But I personally think it is worth all the struggles and misunderstandings, at least for me it is.

Can I tell you how annoying it was that I had edited in this huge addition to my post then accidently deleted so i had to do it all over again??!! gah
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it's because you have 'aural memory' thats comes from the time when you were hearing...this puts you in a different catergory (late deafen), which has nothing to do with deaf culture or deaf as disability (but disability as deaf).
that listening skills you described is nothing miraculous or unsual (as audis likes to brag or fantastise about, which in tiurn is used against the prelingually deaf) it is just already IN your brain, it's like 'llistening skills implant', already in there.
 
Foxrac said:
I had speech therapy for 10 years and it didn't work for me. I had very serious trouble to understand the speech, including lipreading.

The oral language doesn't work for all deaf people - it is based on case by case basis.

Are you saying about oral language is easy and instant to use for deaf people?

If speech is out of question so there are other options.
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But, you do have something. It's not great and not a complete fix, but you have it if you need it. And, I'm sure there are times when you need it(we all do). If you only got one thing out of it, you are better off for learning it. That's the way I look at it.
 
Grummer said:
which has nothing to do with deaf culture or deaf as disability (but disability as deaf).
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That's not true. The only difference between late deafened people and people born deaf is a past ability to communicate effectively. Once you go deaf, that ability is not there anymore. Yes, they speak better than we can speak, but the lack of communication and isolation when they go deaf is the same. Do you think life does not change for them?

In fact, we are in a better position because we have been dealing with it a lot longer than they have.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
But, you do have something. It's not great and not a complete fix, but you have it if you need it. And, I'm sure there are times when you need it(we all do). If you only got one thing out of it, you are better off for learning it. That's the way I look at it.
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I tried VERY VERY VERY HARD but it didn't work for me.

The oral language is completely out of question for me.

Are you HoH? It is much easier for HoH to acquire the oral language since profoundly deaf is very challenged with mixed result.

Seriously, I had miserable life as child because of all failed oral language and serious communication delay, before I went to ASL completely.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
That's not true. The only difference between late deafened people and people born deaf is a past ability to communicate effectively. Once you go deaf, that ability is not there anymore. Yes, they speak better than we can speak, but the lack of communication and isolation when they go deaf is the same. Do you think life does not change for them?

In fact, we are in a better position because we have been dealing with it a lot longer than they have.
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Babies sign in ASL. There is no lack of communication there, except when parents won't consider ASL, which happens too often.
 
Foxrac said:
I tried VERY VERY VERY HARD but it didn't work for me.

The oral language is completely out of question for me.

Are you HoH? It is much easier for HoH to acquire the oral language since profoundly deaf is very challenged with mixed result.

Seriously, I had miserable life as child because of all failed oral language and serious communication delay, before I went to ASL completely.
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I'm sorry about the life. I can't say mine was all that great as well.

I'm trying to learn to pronounce written words through use of pronunciation rules and speech therapy software. I can communicate well, but pronouncing written words is very challenging for me. Because of this, I do not come across well when I explain to someone what I have read.

It is not easy. To overcome this, I view it as a hobby. I practice the rules and the articulation. I know I can say the words right if I use the articulate components(mouth, lips, tongue and grotis), but I can't hear if I'm saying it correctly. I was never able to learn this correctly as a child.

To do it correctly you need a seriously degree in linguistic. But, if it helps me with one word, I'm happy.
 
so Ambrosia, you are lucky in one sense...but it is a different matter when it comes to parents making choices, it is no difference to using hearing aids with lots of missing freqs but all 'turned up louder' ,...that's the bit I find it questionable, as well as the endurance for the child to try work it all out...Id prefer if options to use ASL, and conventional hearing aids...and some speech, even if this seems' inefficient but its more like giving the child tools, way to interact between worlds.

to me, thats' the least harmful, the less amount of work, and many signs in ASL/BSL whatever arent that difficult to learn...come think of imagine how difficult is it for the child to learn listen to artifical sounds...and let alone a spoken language...compromise is the real way to build bridges...
 
VacationGuy234 said:
That's not true. The only difference between late deafened people and people born deaf is a past ability to communicate effectively. Once you go deaf, that ability is not there anymore. Yes, they speak better than we can speak, but the lack of communication and isolation when they go deaf is the same. Do you think life does not change for them?

In fact, we are in a better position because we have been dealing with it a lot longer than they have.
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point taken, i see where you're coming from, yes
like the isolation and frustration of these was-before talking buddies-and -now they're avoiding-tired-and starts to show true character of them 'as freinds'

yes i can see that...
that's the disability part too, its the impact..not only the actual 'listening ability' aspect
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I'm sorry about the life. I can't say mine was all that great as well.

I'm trying to learn to pronounce written words through use of pronunciation rules and speech therapy software. I can communicate well, but pronouncing written words is very challenging for me. Because of this, I do not come across well when I explain to someone what I have read.

It is not easy. To overcome this, I view it as a hobby. I practice the rules and the articulation. I know I can say the words right if I use the articulate components(mouth, lips, tongue and grotis), but I can't hear if I'm saying it correctly. I was never able to learn this correctly as a child.

To do it correctly you need a seriously degree in linguistic. But, if it helps me with one word, I'm happy.
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I have LD in reading - according to my VR evaluation and they found out about extremely difficult for me to understand the oral language, including lipreading. I can't understand your lipreading at all. I have very difficult to understand the literature too, except for children book, especially first grade books, so that why I dislike literature.
 
Foxrac said:
I have LD in reading - according to my VR evaluation and they found out about extremely difficult for me to understand the oral language, including lipreading. I can't understand your lipreading at all. I have very difficult to understand the literature too, except for children book, especially first grade books, so that why I dislike literature.
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Yet, here you are reading at a college level on a forum with a diverse set of members.

Well done. Well done...

Our children, if we had any, might fair better or worse, but we cannot know what will be the case. No one person's life is the same as another. As much as I would like to protect any children I may have from what I have gone through, it will not be my life which they experience.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Yet, here you are reading at a college level on a forum with a diverse set of members.

Well done. Well done...

Our children, if we had any, might fair better or worse, but we cannot know what will be the case. No one person's life is the same as another. As much as I would like to protect any children I may have from what I have gone through, it will not be my life which they experience.
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College level in this forum? Not really, not much, most posts are from elementary school to high school level, even most TV shows, movies and games are too.

It isn't well done - I usually relied on students and professors to help with college courses that I could understand better - I received a lot of accommodation from school too.

Not forgot - I can misunderstand the post easily if not clear, that how I got in despite with some members - argument and communication problem, especially some of TXGolfer's statements are hard to understand for me.
 
Grummer said:
it's because you have 'aural memory' thats comes from the time when you were hearing...this puts you in a different catergory (late deafen), which has nothing to do with deaf culture or deaf as disability (but disability as deaf).
that listening skills you described is nothing miraculous or unsual (as audis likes to brag or fantastise about, which in tiurn is used against the prelingually deaf) it is just already IN your brain, it's like 'llistening skills implant', already in there.
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My friend was born deaf. He has 2 CIs and has a great job that requires him to be by the phone day and night. Will it work that way for everyone? No. But this result is realized out there. It is not just fantasy.
 
Foxrac said:
College level in this forum? Not really, not much, most posts are from elementary school to high school level, even most TV shows, movies and games are too.

It isn't well done - I usually relied on students and professors to help with college courses that I could understand better - I received a lot of accommodation from school too.

Not forgot - I can misunderstand the post easily if not clear, that how I got in despite with some members - argument and communication problem, especially some of TXGolfer's statements are hard to understand for me.
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There are many members here with college educations and nobody is holding back on these forums, you've held you own. Do you not see engineers, managers and business owners here?

Just because you don't see other students getting help does not mean they were not getting it. I see no lack of work for tutors at the college level. Tutoring jobs are not in jeopardy.

We all misunderstand. College doesn't mean you understand, it means you try to understand.

And someday, all these kids with CI's and ASL are going to try to understand too. The least we can do is give them the tools to do it.
 
TXgolfer said:
That doesn't matter.....the fact is, it is a reality for some.
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it DOES matter....so you really think its ok to put 90% of CI receipts (who are under age of 2) to go throught all this nonsense, KNOWINGLY that 8 % is going to 'function' like your freind..and give a hoot to the other 92%??

i mean do you not give a stuff about the reality of the other 92%??!!

Do the maths, that is literally a 1 to 10 chance of it to work out "alright"
that is illogical and irrational
 
Grummer said:
it DOES matter....so you really think its ok to put 90% of CI receipts (who are under age of 2) to go throught all this nonsense, KNOWINGLY that 8 % is going to 'function' like your freind..and give a hoot to the other 92%??

i mean do you not give a stuff about the reality of the other 92%??!!

Do the maths, that is literally a 1 to 10 chance of it to work out "alright"
that is illogical and irrational
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As I have stated numerous times, I support the right of the parent to make those decisions for THEIR child. I won't even address your ridiculous statistics because those are irrelevant. Parent have the right to decide what is best for their child.
 
Even Rush Limbaugh, who was late deafened, can afford the best CI and services, and has been bilaterally implanted, has mentioned several times that he can't hear everything, and that he doesn't fully enjoy music anymore. On his radio show, he often has to ask people to speak more slowly or repeat themselves. He still depends on cues from his computer screen that are sent to him by his assistants.
 
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