Deaf child hears for the first time

[CSign]

it DOES matter....so you really think its ok to put 90% of CI receipts (who are under age of 2) to go throught all this nonsense, KNOWINGLY that 8 % is going to 'function' like your freind..and give a hoot to the other 92%??

i mean do you not give a stuff about the reality of the other 92%??!!

Do the maths, that is literally a 1 to 10 chance of it to work out "alright"
that is illogical and irrational

Grummer- what source are you using to get these percentages from? Or is this your own estimate?

 

[CSign]

Yet, here you are reading at a college level on a forum with a diverse set of members.

Well done. Well done...

Our children, if we had any, might fair better or worse, but we cannot know what will be the case. No one person's life is the same as another. As much as I would like to protect any children I may have from what I have gone through, it will not be my life which they experience.

That was a very nice, insightful post.

 

[Foxrac]

There are many members here with college educations and nobody is holding back on these forums, you've held you own. Do you not see engineers, managers and business owners here?

Just because you don't see other students getting help does not mean they were not getting it. I see no lack of work for tutors at the college level. Tutoring jobs are not in jeopardy.

We all misunderstand. College doesn't mean you understand, it means you try to understand.

And someday, all these kids with CI's and ASL are going to try to understand too. The least we can do is give them the tools to do it.

I don't understand about what are you saying.

 

[VacationGuy234]

I don't understand about what are you saying.

Nice try...

 

[Foxrac]

Nice try...

What hell are you talking about?

 

[Grummer]

As I have stated numerous times, I support the right of the parent to make those decisions for THEIR child. I won't even address your ridiculous statistics because those are irrelevant. Parent have the right to decide what is best for their child.

well, the parents needs to have the true statistical figures and true findings, not doctored up...research are never neutral (and theoretically it should be), thats the thing most people dont understand...

 

[TXgolfer]

well, the parents needs to have the true statistical figures and true findings, not doctored up...research are never neutral (and theoretically it should be), thats the thing most people dont understand...

Who is to say what statistics are reliable? Here again is another thing parents must weigh when making a decision.

 

[Grummer]

Grummer- what source are you using to get these percentages from? Or is this your own estimate?

i cant divulge the source, im not even supposed to know this...it was confided to me however for argument's sake I felt it was good timing to leak the true figure, but not the source...sorry i have to withhold it (and i DID ask for permission to use that figure) but at this stage of the longitudinal study whilst still being undertaken... it is interesting to note that we already know there is a 1o to 1 chance that a deaf child is born to hearing parents...correlation? i dont think so, i believe its more to do with some unexplored explantory aspect which i hope is surmised from the findings.....
..and i dont know when it will be completed, maybe next year maybe 5 years time...im not part of the covert team

 

[TXgolfer]

i cant divulge the source, im not even supposed to know this...it was confided to me however for argument's sake I felt it was good timing to leak the true figure, but not the source...sorry i have to withhold it (and i DID ask for permission to use that figure) but at this stage of the longitudinal study whilst still being undertaken... it is interesting to note that we already know there is a 1o to 1 chance that a deaf child is born to hearing parents...correlation? i dont think so, i believe its more to do with some unexplored explantory aspect which i hope is surmised from the findings.....
..and i dont know when it will be completed, maybe next year maybe 5 years time...im not part of the covert team

A covert team of ear statisticians doing a classified study! How exciting!

 

[VacationGuy234]

What hell are you talking about?

I'm saying you are smart and it has to do with your education.

We all have much to learn...

 

[Foxrac]

I'm saying you are smart and it has to do with your education.

We all have much to learn...

Yes, it took many years for me to caught up with normal hearing student, but not very closer.

My grammar isn't good either.

 

[AlleyCat]

Of course there are medical professionals who might say they failed, but what is being done about it? Is there something that people can get behind and support a movement better educating medical personnel to a more acceptable way of phrasing it? Is there something being done to provide families with comprehensive, unbiased communication options? It's one thing to vent now and then, it's another thing to continue harping on something without doing anything about it. What is being done to change this? I would love to support getting more appropriate, unbiased information out to parents.

Here's a question for you: What would you, as a parent receiving this kind of news, liked to have gotten -- would a brochure have helped? A video? And, from who? (e.g. what type of organization?)

Grummer- what source are you using to get these percentages from? Or is this your own estimate?

Before you ask more questions, how about you answer those asked of you? You have demanded the same from others. Your turn ...

 

[CSign]

What I don't understand, is if the Deaf community recognizes the lack of support and resources for parents from the beginning, why isn't anything being done about it?

AG Bell has standard info that is probably at most audiologist offices across the country. Why not work together to provide a comprehensive booklet to for parents so that they have something to start with?

Doctors have a legal obligation to make risks clear.

So, if the medical institutions are providing "their view of comprehensiveness", what is being done by the d/Deaf community to rectify that?

Of course there are medical professionals who might say they failed, but what is being done about it?

Is there something that people can get behind and support a movement better educating medical personnel to a more acceptable way of phrasing it? Is there something being done to provide families with comprehensive, unbiased communication options?

It's one thing to vent now and then, it's another thing to continue harping on something without doing anything about it.

What is being done to change this? I would love to support getting more appropriate, unbiased information out to parents.

Part of the problem is that doctors are clinical. To them, saying your child failed doesn't mean a whole lot to them. It means a lot to parents, however.

Here's a question for you: What would you, as a parent receiving this kind of news, liked to have gotten -- would a brochure have helped? A video? And, from who? (e.g. what type of organization?)

Before you ask more questions, how about you answer those asked of you? You have demanded the same from others. Your turn ...

Diehardbiker was the only poster who even made an attempt at answering my question, which is in fact, a good one. No one else responded to it, even after I posed it several times.

I almost responded to your post when I had seen it with, "you don't answer a question with a question" but decided against it.

It sounds like you had a rough day. I'm sorry about that. I hope tomorrow is better for you.

Edit to add: I didn't demand anything of anyone. I posed an important question. As I've stated, I'd be in full support of getting some more comprehensive information out there.

 

[deafdyke]

Yes, it took many years for me to caught up with normal hearing student, but not very closer.

My grammar isn't good either.

Has anyone ever compared ASL/Deaf kids literacy levels with English As a Second Language kids literacy levels?
And you know what? The grammer here isn't THAT bad. It's "Deaf" yes, but it's not THAT bad. Heck, I've seen HEARING people with lots worse grammar and syntax......it's b/c we either approach English as a second language OR we only have PARTIAL access to English.

 

[diehardbiker]

Very true, I have heard plenty number of hearing people that can not read or write but talks fine. These people never had chance learning English when they were child, which makes English like a second language for them even though it is their primary language. Its true, and sad! Yes, I have tried talk with these kind of people with note and pen, man! I can't believe they can't even write, and ask somebody else to read for him/her. Men seems to be more prone than women, and I don't have hard evidence to support that because of geographic differences.

Image, if parents can't read or write and discovered their newborn baby have hearing loss, what their reaction would be? Man! not so good for that child.

Has anyone ever compared ASL/Deaf kids literacy levels with English As a Second Language kids literacy levels?
And you know what? The grammer here isn't THAT bad. It's "Deaf" yes, but it's not THAT bad. Heck, I've seen HEARING people with lots worse grammar and syntax......it's b/c we either approach English as a second language OR we only have PARTIAL access to English.

 

[Foxrac]

Has anyone ever compared ASL/Deaf kids literacy levels with English As a Second Language kids literacy levels?
And you know what? The grammer here isn't THAT bad. It's "Deaf" yes, but it's not THAT bad. Heck, I've seen HEARING people with lots worse grammar and syntax......it's b/c we either approach English as a second language OR we only have PARTIAL access to English.

I think they are pretty comparative, but hearing students with second language may fare better because they have easy access to language development since deaf students are more challenged. There are some deaf students are pretty well in oral language since others are not.

Yes, I have seen some hearing people have worst grammar than me, even there are many tense errors, missing capitalization, sentence fragment, numerous abbreviations and slang words.

I don't want to judge based on people's grammar unless they request or ask me.

I made a biggest mistake with Grummer in past because I was unable to understand his post due to different grammar or sentence. I apologize to Grummer for remark that offended him and if I couldn't understand him so I could ask for clarify or just move on.

 

[diehardbiker]

Sometimes the truth hurts, and sometimes these researcher can be biased. When it comes to the truth that majority of hearing people don't want to hear, they don't disclose or release the information but bury somewhere for somebody else to take the bite.

A covert team of ear statisticians doing a classified study! How exciting!

 

[deafdyke]

Yet, if the parents don't choose, who does? The doctors? The judges? Social Services?

Why not just AUTOMATICLY give kids BOTH languages instead of handwringing over "choice?" I'm sorry but this debate is freaking DUMB!!!!
Deaf kids deserve BOTH. Both ASL, AND English. Just like blind/low vision kids deserve both Braille training, and large print, and O&M training as well as other traditional "blind" interventions, just like CP kids deserve the full toolbox of physical disabilty things (ie wheelchair use when get tired, typing instead of physically writing) and so on!
I support Deaf kids aquirring speech skills. I just don't think that it should be an eternal speech therapy session. Too many parents think "Oh my kid can hear and talk! They don't "need" ASL..........

 

[diehardbiker]

Ahem, yup!

I believe that we need offer ASL to begin with because ASL is a visual language. Once they understand their own native language, then apply English then success rate would be astonished. There are evidences that just surfaced support that theory And yeah, I think this should be mandatory. As for CI, leave that choice to parents.

Teaching Deaf kids ASL should not be long, perhaps couple years that is all needed, then English taught using ASL which makes easier for Deaf understand second language, even better subsequent languages.

Why not just AUTOMATICLY give kids BOTH languages instead of handwringing over "choice?" I'm sorry but this debate is freaking DUMB!!!!
Deaf kids deserve BOTH. Both ASL, AND English. Just like blind/low vision kids deserve both Braille training, and large print, and O&M training as well as other traditional "blind" interventions, just like CP kids deserve the full toolbox of physical disabilty things (ie wheelchair use when get tired, typing instead of physically writing) and so on!
I support Deaf kids aquirring speech skills. I just don't think that it should be an eternal speech therapy session. Too many parents think "Oh my kid can hear and talk! They don't "need" ASL..........

 

[Foxrac]

Very true, I have heard plenty number of hearing people that can not read or write but talks fine. These people never had chance learning English when they were child, which makes English like a second language for them even though it is their primary language. Its true, and sad! Yes, I have tried talk with these kind of people with note and pen, man! I can't believe they can't even write, and ask somebody else to read for him/her. Men seems to be more prone than women, and I don't have hard evidence to support that because of geographic differences.

Image, if parents can't read or write and discovered their newborn baby have hearing loss, what their reaction would be? Man! not so good for that child.

Yes, that already happened to me at all time, especially at minimum wage jobs. Some employees at my old workplace can't read my note at all so I had to find someone who willing to interpret about what my note saying. That was luck because there were plenty of associates could read my note, however worst experience are CUSTOMERS - some of them can't read my note and they became frustrated. I remembered about one old man came to me and ask for help so I used note to communicate with him, but he can't read about what I'm saying. He said USE MOUTH TO SPEAK so I can't because I'm deaf - point at ear. He became angry and grabbed my t-shirt against wall so he yelled on my face. I rushed to talk with supervisor so he alerted manager to get an attention, but the angry man demanded the manager to fire me because I can't speak so the manager asked him to leave store or she will call a police officer. He made outrageous statement that he will hunt to kill me with his rifle so everything went crazy then he left immediately. Both of manager and I had reported to police about situation and they haven't went after him since, despite about evidence from security camera.

After those situation, the general manager decided to put me to work in backroom to analyze on overstock items and I had to wear regular t-shirt to disguise as customer for my safety - it was temporarily before I went on sales floor with other associate - team work until resignation for various reason, including medical condition and many accident report.

It is nightmare for me if anyone couldn't read at all - it is happened when anyone dropped the school at younger age. The legislators in my state is looking to tighten the law that require all students to stay in school until 18 and change the requirement for homeschooling. For right now, they can take your driver license away if you drop out at 16 years old (DMV will suspend it) so you wouldn't able to get back until 19 years old.