Deaf child hears for the first time

Foxrac said:
I think they are pretty comparative, but hearing students with second language may fare better because they have easy access to language development since deaf students are more challenged. There are some deaf students are pretty well in oral language since others are not.

Yes, I have seen some hearing people have worst grammar than me, even there are many tense errors, missing capitalization, sentence fragment, numerous abbreviations and slang words.

I don't want to judge based on people's grammar unless they request or ask me.

I made a biggest mistake with Grummer in past because I was unable to understand his post due to different grammar or sentence. I apologize to Grummer for remark that offended him and if I couldn't understand him so I could ask for clarify or just move on.
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dunno what you on about, just move on
 
CSign said:
Diehardbiker was the only poster who even made an attempt at answering my question, which is in fact, a good one. No one else responded to it, even after I posed it several times.

I almost responded to your post when I had seen it with, "you don't answer a question with a question" but decided against it.

It sounds like you had a rough day. I'm sorry about that. I hope tomorrow is better for you.

Edit to add: I didn't demand anything of anyone. I posed an important question. As I've stated, I'd be in full support of getting some more comprehensive information out there.
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Doubt it and moreso i doubt you'd really know what is out there, and you've clearly stated you are a conformist to the ablist ideology
 
deafdyke said:
Actually Ambrosia that IS the problem. Most parents who chose oral only aren't really aware of the problems that crop up later ...they're just so "OMG a cute Deaf kid WHO CAN SPEAK !!!!"(and their thinking is "they're more "normal") They really don't seem to realize that a dhh adult with a deaf accent can get discriminated against just as much as an ASL only adult, or that oral abilty doesn't give dhh kids complete access to the hearing world.
They are not aware of the problems that crop up when the kids are no longer cute.
This isn't just a Dhh thing thou.....I know many parents of kids with disabilties who are all " Oh we'll just mainstream them and they don't need any "special needs" sorts of things" Their kids do well intitally (b/c after all it IS very easy to "fake it" but then things get a LOT HARDER, and they lose friends, and slowly realize that their access to the "mainstream" isn't really giving them too much advantages.
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deafdyke said:
Exactly!!!!!! Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Have you even read through this thread? No one, not one person has said they choose oral only.
 
deafdyke said:
No, but with early intervention just GIVE the parents both very good speech services AND good ASL services. That way they won't HAVE to chose. Make sense now?
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I guess the problem is in getting all the parties to cooperate rather than compete for the direction the parents take.
 
Grummer said:
Doubt it and moreso i doubt you'd really know what is out there, and you've clearly stated you are a conformist to the ablist ideology
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What is it that you doubt exactly? I've also never stated, not implied that I'm a "conformist to an ableism ideology". Not sure why you're resorting to personal insults.

Perhaps you should actually read some of my 3,000+ posts to get a better idea for what I stand for. You couldn't be further from the mark.
 
deafdyke said:
Why not just AUTOMATICLY give kids BOTH languages instead of handwringing over "choice?" I'm sorry but this debate is freaking DUMB!!!!
Deaf kids deserve BOTH. Both ASL, AND English. Just like blind/low vision kids deserve both Braille training, and large print, and O&M training as well as other traditional "blind" interventions, just like CP kids deserve the full toolbox of physical disabilty things (ie wheelchair use when get tired, typing instead of physically writing) and so on!
I support Deaf kids aquirring speech skills. I just don't think that it should be an eternal speech therapy session. Too many parents think "Oh my kid can hear and talk! They don't "need" ASL..........
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Many early intervention programs use both sign and voice so that the child had exposure to both, to provide them the opportunity to establish speech and language skills.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
How did you communicate with your hearing friends if you were voice off?

There are members here who have tried this which I will not name and it didn't work out.
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The boy next door knew sign language and others used gestures (home-made signs). We sometimes had to write on dirt (soil) with finger or on sidewalk by using a chalk. When I joined them playing sports or whatever, they never left me out. They were good to me.

A kid being deaf doesn't mean he or she is lonely.
 
CSign said:
What is it that you doubt exactly? I've also never stated, not implied that I'm a "conformist to an ableism ideology". Not sure why you're resorting to personal insults.

Perhaps you should actually read some of my 3,000+ posts to get a better idea for what I stand for. You couldn't be further from the mark.
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i dont need to, I am well aware of your feigned neutrality, like you stand for some weird artifical signs, mixing with use of CI, you're a particular devoted reader of Marschak's textbooks...and the other Norwegien audist quackes.

its NOT personal, we Already KNOW what you're like - I HAVE seen many of your arguements.

Be honest. that's the one thing I have noticed, that you are NOT.

Also you are NOT straight, you talk in riddles to everyone - a sure sign of acting like you consider yourself as superior. I am not going allow myself be treated like this from anyone like the way you do.
 
Reba said:
I guess the problem is in getting all the parties to cooperate rather than compete for the direction the parents take.
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..not only this, but also to remove the 'freakshow' aspect of ASL users to which CI proponent often subtley implies...its very very hard to rid it...this 'undesired imagery' really does affects the understaiding, off-sides the motivations, incite some kind of wishful thinking that the child would eventually go 'oral'...becuase 'early use of ASL' is deemed as a 'tool' not as a language...all these suggests the competition' as you say, are NOT on even playing grounds...it never was and never will be...unless more Deaf academics do their flippen study properly!!..and not to mention more research...education is only one TINY aspect of Deaf Life...it really befuddles me, what so much at sake or hang on on this?? too narrow...and it obviously aren't helping...
 
shel90 said:
No, but they will support it if a parent chooses that route.
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Of course. That is the parent's right. We also support Foxrac's right to take his kid the ASL only route if that is what he chooses.
 
TXgolfer said:
Of course. That is the parent's right.
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And u know that it has ruined many deaf children's lives and yet, there is no empathy for those who have suffered.

None at all.

It is like "suck it up and move on" to our faces.

Try telling that to those who ended up with language delays or deficits from that philosophy and struggle for the rest of their lives. I was VERY lucky I didn't end up with issues with my language development but I could easily have. Instead I suffered in other ways that affected me negatively long after I became an adult and almost destroyed me. I just thank my lucky stars that it didn't.

Because of that, I will never ever support the oral-only philosophy.

Yet, many of you still cant understand that and accuse me of many things that I am really not. I have been called names in the past but I still stand by my beliefs.

My heart is for the children first.
 
CSign said:
Many early intervention programs use both sign and voice so that the child had exposure to both, to provide them the opportunity to establish speech and language skills.
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so, you really thinks speech and language are as one thing, like two halves of the same aspect?
 
shel90 said:
And u know that it has ruined many deaf children's lives and yet, there is no empathy for those who have suffered.

None at all.

It is like "suck it up and move on" to our faces.

Try telling that to those who ended up with language delays or deficits from that philosophy and struggle for the rest of their lives. I was VERY lucky I didn't end up with issues with my language development but I could easily have. Instead I suffered in other ways that affected me negatively long after I became an adult and almost destroyed me. I just thank my lucky stars that it didn't.

Because of that, I will never ever support the oral-only philosophy.

Yet, many of you still cant understand that and accuse me of many things that I am really not. I have been called names in the past but I still stand by my beliefs.

My heart is for the children first.
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Ah, so you want to take away a parent's right to make decisions for their own children, then?
 
TXgolfer said:
Ah, so you want to take away a parent's right to make decisions for their own children, then?
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It's obvious she would like the parents to have the opportunity to make a more informed decision than most get the chance to do today.
 
CSign said:
Diehardbiker was the only poster who even made an attempt at answering my question, which is in fact, a good one. No one else responded to it, even after I posed it several times.

I almost responded to your post when I had seen it with, "you don't answer a question with a question" but decided against it.

It sounds like you had a rough day. I'm sorry about that. I hope tomorrow is better for you.

Edit to add: I didn't demand anything of anyone. I posed an important question. As I've stated, I'd be in full support of getting some more comprehensive information out there.
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I couldn't answer it because I don't have an answer.
 
Bottesini said:
It's obvious she would like the parents to have the opportunity to make a more informed decision than most get the chance to do today.
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Oh really? And what, exactly limits that opportunity now?
 
TXgolfer said:
Oh really? And what, exactly limits that opportunity now?
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The way information and guidance is presented when a diagnosis is made.

Parents who know nothing of deafness don't realize how little is being presented to them.
 
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