deaf 2 years old kids wear CI

[rick48]

Pro-CI ADers, you guys just shut the hell up!

I'd talked w the OP, she feels so down today by this thread because she expected advices and supports that she want to 'hear' from us. She was just vented so she did want the help.

Great. I can't believe this whole crappy thread! *smh*

I hope this thread goes lock up soon. :roll:

BTW it is laughable that you are on a cochlear implant forum telling those who support the rights of others to have cochlear implants to "shut the hell up". Guess its just another wonderful example of the tolerance and support for diversity that so permeates Deaf culture

And yet there are those who wonder why there are so few hearing parents left on this forum?

 

[jillio]

Since when? Please do not confuse the decisions we made for our child as indicating that all other parents should make the same choices for their child. We are not like you.

Oral only is hardly all options, yet it is the option that you have proposed on numerous occasions. Your philosophy is well known around here.

No, you are not like me in any way, shape, or form. No similarities at all. I find that comforting.

 

[jillio]

If she truly wanted or expected advice and support then perhaps she should have spent more time considering her initial post instead of launching an attack against cochlear implants.

She should spend more time researching and exploring other programs more suitable for her child then blaming the cochlear implant or seeking to have those children who benefit from it stop using their cis.

Again with the criticism of this poster. You people really need to go get your rabies shots updated.

 

[jillio]

I just realized something...myself and a few others have been accused constantly for driving hearing parents of deaf children away from AD. Well..iam seeing the same thing happen here so *smh* at the hypocrisy here.

Exactly. Its obvious who is alientating the new parents, isn't it?

 

[jillio]

BTW it is laughable that you are on a cochlear implant forum telling those who support the rights of others to have cochlear implants to "shut the hell up". Guess its just another wonderful example of the tolerance and support for diversity that so permeates Deaf culture

And yet there are those who wonder why there are so few hearing parents left on this forum?

Why are you still around?:roll: Just to insult other hearing parents? Your oh, so full life awaits you. Wait...I hear it calling you now.

 

[jillio]

Ohh don't make me laugh....unbelievable!

:rofl2::rofl2:

 

[damienmommy]

Amazing!

Parents who have made reasoned and intelligent choices for their children, who have decided what is in the best interests of their children should have those choices taken away, children who have benefited from cochlear implants should have them denied to them, children who can communicate orally should no longer do so all so your child can have someone to play with!

As a parent who has a child with a cochlear implant, yes indeed I do take offense at the ignorance and selfishness of your attitude.

I am not selfish or something. But I wonder where the deaf kids who know signs go? I can't find any kids same as my son's age that know signs anymore in this city. They become oral only which it upset me.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

I am not selfish or something. But I wonder where the deaf kids who know signs go? I can't find any kids same as my son's age that know signs anymore in this city. They become oral only which it upset me.

I'm hearing, but I can (try) to see your point of view. I'll never know exactly how you feel, but that doesn't mean I don't empathize with you. It upsets me to see that you are continued to be attack for your point of view. Unfortunately, emphasis is going to continue to be placed on oral only.

I don't know how practical this is for you, but is it possible for you to move to a city where the deaf community may be larger? Maybe some of the other more knowledgeable parents on the forum can give you some other ideas on how you can expand your son's use of ASL outside his immediate family.

I wish you luck.

 

[jillio]

I am not selfish or something. But I wonder where the deaf kids who know signs go? I can't find any kids same as my son's age that know signs anymore in this city. They become oral only which it upset me.

No, you are not selfish. But rick48 can't tell you where the signers are, because he doesn't associate with them. He believes in oral only.

 

[damienmommy]

Even if I don't post often, I've been looking into this thread.

damienmommy , I definitely can see where you're coming from.

and vallee, I see her point , but both you used a little bit strong language.but I see that all's well

for the kid ( btw he IS adorable! ) I can agree with you.I do not sign ( raised orally , as we didn't have a deaf school at my town , and the one I could go was only boarding , my parents did not want it ) but they were prepared to learn , if the need arose.It never did, as all my family was hearing , and I never seen another kid with HA's till my 20's.Not to mention that the deaf school , was n't educating anyone.Now it does with parents advocating , but back then..it was a total disaster.

I often wished through I could learn GSL ( Greek SL ) . Maybe if I learned both languages , I would be happier in both environments.who knows.it's a regret of mine.

But back to you.I think you're right.If parents are going to send the kids in Deaf school , they should support wholeheartedly that decision , by learning at LEAST the basic signs and take it from there.take the kid's cues.or at least a bi-bi approach.

and I know that you aren't anti-CI.Just that you don't want it for yourself or your kid , and that is all right.it is YOUR decision, and I see even through your words that you respect the choice for the other kids their parents make.You just are confused why they send them , if they don't sign? and you feel sad for your son.and that is all right too to feel sad and frustrated.And you're right.his education might be bang on the point.but he needs peer reaction and communication.it's a major point of anyone's life.

Kids learn from one another usually.If you find the ideal school , that would be ideal.but , you know what? maybe you should get in a PTA meeting, with an interp.try and emphasize to most parents, that anyway you respect their choice , they also have to help along their decision for Deaf school.there are kids that can have the best of both worlds.

As for moving away to find the ideal school , that's okay , but he also needs his family even if they're hearing.the choices are yours and yours alone to make Melissa ( btw , your name means honey bee in Greek. )

I hope now that you've vented and felt better , and we made you stop and think , to see and try and decide what it's best for your damienson.

Please give an hug to the kid , all the way from Greece , he's so adorable!

Thanks for understand me about what I mean. Thanks for making me feel better. And yes I know my name means honey bee I like Melika, it's hawaiian name. Anyway, yea thanks, that he's adorable.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

No, you are not selfish. But rick48 can't tell you where the signers are, because he doesn't associate with them. He believes in oral only.

Read my post, Jillio. Maybe you can help direct this parent? I suggested moving to a place where the deaf community is larger, but beyond that, how can she ensure that her child gets a greater exposure to ASL from children his own age?

 

[jillio]

Read my post, Jillio. Maybe you can help direct this parent? I suggested moving to a place where the deaf community is larger, but beyond that, how can she ensure that her child gets a greater exposure to ASL from children his own age?

As soon as this calms down, I'm going to address the issues directly. She has several options under the ADA regarding the deaf program that he is in. I'm just kind of letting her find her comfort level after the horrific way she was attacked.

BTW, glad to see you are back, damienmommy.

 

[shel90]

I am not selfish or something. But I wonder where the deaf kids who know signs go? I can't find any kids same as my son's age that know signs anymore in this city. They become oral only which it upset me.

I undy how you feel and I *heart* for your son who doesn't have anyone to play with due to the oralism philosophy. This is why I belive that all deaf children should be exposed to both. I would love for the same to be extended to hearing kids as well. What about Washington State or California? Any programs there where there are other deaf signers if u don't want to be too far from your family?

 

[damienmommy]

but if your son's teacher isn't using sign, then your son is being left out and not being given the opportunity to be educated or socialized.

can your son be switched to a different classroom? since it's a school for the deaf, i'm sure there must be more than one classroom per grade level.

Teacher did using the signs, and she tried to teach the kids the signs. She never try to teach my son to be oral at all. She always show the example of my son to other kids and parents. When she want kids do something, she asked me and son to show them how to do it. So me and son show the example to them. Then they try to copy us.

There's only one class for all deaf 2 years old kids in this city. Next year, would be per school for all 3 and 4 years old kids without parents which is next to this classroom. In same building.

 

[deafskeptic]

Pro-CI ADers, you guys just shut the hell up!

I'd talked w the OP, she feels so down today by this thread because she expected advices and supports that she want to 'hear' from us. She was just vented so she did want the help.

Great. I can't believe this whole crappy thread! *smh*

I hope this thread goes lock up soon. :roll:

I hope they listen otherwise daimenmommy is going to have to ask that this thread get locked up. She only wanted advice too. Sheesh! I'm like oh boy here we go again at this thread.

 

[jillio]

I really don't have insight on this. You think that he is celebrating that he "got one more"? It is absurd. We have very different views on very early implantation, on rehab, on educational isssues, on language and methodology. The only thing we agree on is that parents of CI users are not monsters, and that parents have the right to make this decision for their child. Oh, and we both share the same hearing status, for some here that is enough to make us in cahoots.

And who exactly disagrees that parents with CI children are not monsters, or that they don't have the right to make that decision for their child?

Re: the hearing status comment: a bit of paranoia going on there? You really aren't going to get much sympathy on a deaf forum complaining about being discriminated against because you are hearing.

 

[damienmommy]

My beef is not with the researchers but with you and the bias you bring to that research. BTW I have far more experience with cochlear implanted children then you will ever have. Almost 20 years of daily experience and counting. As for expertise, that is purely a subjective determination but from your posts and rants over the last few years, I know you have none.

I have raised a cochlear implanted child from infancy to the bring of college graduation, have you?

That cochlear implanted children know signs right? mine city here don't. Oral only.

 

[shel90]

That cochlear implanted children know signs right? mine city here don't. Oral only.

That one doesnt know sign language.

 

[damienmommy]

Sorry, if unlike you, I have a life away from this board but at least be honest with us, you only tolerate those who agree with you.

No, I do not post that often but when I see someone post an ignorant post about cochlear implants and wishes to deny them to others because that is not the choice she made, then you got it honey, I will post and continue to do so and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

I was mistake to say such things like that. I wish I could go back and edit it, to fix it to more clear. I don't mean to say wish kids stop to wearing CI etc. All I was mad that there used to have ASL around in deaf program, but now the oral only replace the ASL. ASL seems go away and become oral only again, like way in back. I want ASL stay that way, if they want oral to be involve then it fine but I think they should have ASL if they wanted to put kids in deaf school. Deaf school's required people use the signs all the times on deaf school's campus. Even hearing teacher have to using the signs to other hearing teacher. Kids's parents who is hearing, they don't know signs, it ok..they don't have to use signs at deaf school campus but those kids who is student, have to use the signs. Sometimes teacher forced them to signs while they talk oral same time. I don't know about other school's rules but this Oregon school for the deaf required signs on the campus.

 

[rick48]

Oral only is hardly all options, yet it is the option that you have proposed on numerous occasions. Your philosophy is well known around here.

No, you are not like me in any way, shape, or form. No similarities at all. I find that comforting.

Again the lies and in a subsequent post, the personal insult, so predictable. It must be tough when all you are rreduced to is bitterness and hate towards those who do not agree with you. Please, using your self-proclaimed top notch research skills, show us the post where I have advocated "oral only" for all deaf children?

What you cannot seem to comprehend is what we chose for our child was what was best for her and after exploring and researching other choices and options. That she was successful at what you initially chose for your child but had to go a different route obviously sticks in your craw to this day.

No I am not like you in any way shape or form but most importantly for my child's benefit, you are nothing like my wife and I thank God for that!