deaf 2 years old kids wear CI

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faire_jour said:
I had a nice nasty response written, riddled with sarcasm, but you know what, you aren't worth it. Every single time you post you are right and every person who disagrees with you is wrong, and GOD forbide the person who disagrees with you be hearing! That means that they are an oralist and do not understand ASL and Deaf culture. I bow out, you win again. You are right again, whether it is Deaf Education, abortion, CI's, animal testing, vaccinations, whatever, I conceed, you are right. OK?
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Yup.
 
rick48 said:
Amazing!

Parents who have made reasoned and intelligent choices for their children, who have decided what is in the best interests of their children should have those choices taken away, children who have benefited from cochlear implants should have them denied to them, children who can communicate orally should no longer do so all so your child can have someone to play with!

As a parent who has a child with a cochlear implant, yes indeed I do take offense at the ignorance and selfishness of your attitude.
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Man, you crack me up :)
 
damienmommy said:
no, its right one..the where my friends used to went there. they suggest me to put my son in that school cuz it was best place so I went there and put him in there, then I seen it in my eyes it's way different than what my friend told me. I told my friend abt what I see right now, and she said huh it's not even same as before. guess the world changes itself. Become more technology. She know who that teacher is and said teacher is good at teaching the kids. Teacher said that there used to have few kids with CI, used to have all of them who know signs in that class but seems like not anymore, become only one my kid know signs in that class. Teacher is trying to teach parents how to signs by giving them the paper etc.
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but if your son's teacher isn't using sign, then your son is being left out and not being given the opportunity to be educated or socialized.

can your son be switched to a different classroom? since it's a school for the deaf, i'm sure there must be more than one classroom per grade level.
 
damienmommy said:
no, its right one..the where my friends used to went there. they suggest me to put my son in that school cuz it was best place so I went there and put him in there, then I seen it in my eyes it's way different than what my friend told me. I told my friend abt what I see right now, and she said huh it's not even same as before. guess the world changes itself. Become more technology. She know who that teacher is and said teacher is good at teaching the kids. Teacher said that there used to have few kids with CI, used to have all of them who know signs in that class but seems like not anymore, become only one my kid know signs in that class. Teacher is trying to teach parents how to signs by giving them the paper etc.
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It seems like you just answered your original question?

It could be that the deaf program accept oral kids because they are not getting deaf kids for ASL into their program. I believe this happens. If they get no deaf kids that use ASL mostly, they might seem to feel they have no choice but to accept the kids to keep the school open.

Also, I have to bring up that even schools like NTID at RIT and Gallaudet have had to add changes to their programs/services because of different deaf people communication and more students with CI coming to their colleges.
 
ClearSky said:
It seems like you just answered your original question?

It could be that the deaf program accept oral kids because they are not getting deaf kids for ASL into their program. I believe this happens. If they get no deaf kids that use ASL mostly, they might seem to feel they have no choice but to accept the kids to keep the school open.

Also, I have to bring up that even schools like NTID at RIT and Gallaudet have had to add changes to their programs/services because of different deaf people communication and more students with CI coming to their colleges.
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this is exactly what i'm talking about when i say that more and more deaf schools are creating programs specifically designed for children and adults who have ci's.
 
faire_jour said:
But as Jillio just pointed out, deaf kids who go to hearing school end up having social and emotional problems. That is why the parents want their kids to be around other Deaf kids. Do the teachers use ASL as the class language?
If the kids see signs, they will learn them. Your son can be an example for them. Or are they mean to him?
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Deaf kids who go to hearing schools end up with social and emotional problems because of the communication issues and barriers. If you place them in a deaf school where the same communication issues and barriers exist, you haven't solved a danged thing. Change of environment isn't the solution unless that environment includes facilliation of communication. Likewise, social and emotional problems are created in the home, as well, when parents refuse to accommodate a deaf child's communication needs.
 
faire_jour said:
That's right, I forgot, I hate Deaf people and want to make deaf kids hearing. Thanks for the reminder!

Opps, went ahead and wrote the things I said I wouldn't. Guess that means I need another break from AD and Jill.
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Nope, your first sentence has absolutely nothing to do with the inconsistencies to which I was referring.

But, nice try at sarcasm. Shame it is so ineffective in a productive discussion.
 
rick48 said:
Vallee,

I am late to this discussion but bravo for your comments they are right on and needed to be said. The ignorance demsonstrated by the OP and the knee jerk reaction by the usual suspects is so typical. That you then get attacked for your comments is also typical of them.
Rick
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The only knee jerk reaction that occurred was the one by Vallee. Had she managed to take the time to read the OP objectively, instead of flying off the handle the first time she saw the letters CI with pathological defensiveness, none of this would have occurred.
 
rick48 said:
Of course they have because that is exactly the result you want.
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Oh, yeah, rick, the researchers all over the world conduct their studies so they will show exactly what I want them to. I have such great influence over the research findings.

Just because you choose to ignore the truth of the situation doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
rick48 said:
Amazing!

Parents who have made reasoned and intelligent choices for their children, who have decided what is in the best interests of their children should have those choices taken away, children who have benefited from cochlear implants should have them denied to them, children who can communicate orally should no longer do so all so your child can have someone to play with!

As a parent who has a child with a cochlear implant, yes indeed I do take offense at the ignorance and selfishness of your attitude.
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You guys are like a pack of rabid dogs.
 
jillio said:
Deaf kids who go to hearing schools end up with social and emotional problems because of the communication issues and barriers. If you place them in a deaf school where the same communication issues and barriers exist, you have solved a danged thing. Change of environment isn't the solution unless that environment includes facilliation of communication. Likewise, social and emotional problems are created in the home, as well, when parents refuse to accommodate a deaf child's communication needs.
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this explanation helps me better understand why an oral only approach does not always work. thanks, jillio.
 
jillio said:
Oh, yeah, rick, the researchers all over the world conduct their studies so they will show exactly what I want them to. I have such great influence over the research findings.

Just because you choose to ignore the truth of the situation doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Sorry jill but you take from research and studies what you have already predetermined them to say just like your unsubstanited personal opinion that deaf children in hearing schools all have social and emotional problems. You would like to think that when it is so far from the truth.
Rick
 
jillio said:
You guys are like a pack of rabid dogs.
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Just another wonderful example of the tolerance and respect for others that is the hallmark of those that consider themselves Deaf and Deaf wannabes when confronted by an opinion that differs from their own.

Gee...weren't you the one lecturing us about showing respect and tolerance for others.

That you are reduced to nothing more than personal attacks upon others demonstrates how little you have to add to any discussion but then since you never made the cochlear implant decision for your own child how would you understand the time, effort and research put into that decision by those who have?
 
rick48 said:
Sorry jill but you take from research and studies what you have already predetermined them to say just like your unsubstanited personal opinion that deaf children in hearing schools all have social and emotional problems. You would like to think that when it is so far from the truth.
Rick
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Well, tell that to the researchers from the United States, the UK, and Sweden. Quite frankly, their cummulative and consistent findings carries far more weight than your singular opinion with no foundation of expertise or experience at all.
 
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Originally Posted by faire_jour
I had a nice nasty response written, riddled with sarcasm, but you know what, you aren't worth it. Every single time you post you are right and every person who disagrees with you is wrong, and GOD forbide the person who disagrees with you be hearing! That means that they are an oralist and do not understand ASL and Deaf culture. I bow out, you win again. You are right again, whether it is Deaf Education, abortion, CI's, animal testing, vaccinations, whatever, I conceed, you are right. OK?

Yup.

Agreed, she never changes, just cannot accept the fact that deaf children are unique indiviuals and what is best for one deaf child is not necessarily the best path for another. She is constantly defensive about the choices, or lack of choices she made, thus constatnly lashing out at those who made choices for their children that differ from her's.
Rick
 
rick48 said:
Just another wonderful example of the tolerance and respect for others that is the hallmark of those that consider themselves Deaf and Deaf wannabes when confronted by an opinion that differs from their own.

Gee...weren't you the one lecturing us about showing respect and tolerance for others.

That you are reduced to nothing more than personal attacks upon others demonstrates how little you have to add to any discussion but then since you never made the cochlear implant decision for your own child how would you understand the time, effort and research put into that decision by those who have?
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Well, now...aren't you the hypocritical one to be talking about intolerance? Especially when the only time you bother to frequent this board is when someone has notified you that an "anti-CI" poster is active, and then you join the pack to get your little bite in.

I show respect to those that have a grasp of what the concept entails.
 
rick48 said:
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Originally Posted by faire_jour
I had a nice nasty response written, riddled with sarcasm, but you know what, you aren't worth it. Every single time you post you are right and every person who disagrees with you is wrong, and GOD forbide the person who disagrees with you be hearing! That means that they are an oralist and do not understand ASL and Deaf culture. I bow out, you win again. You are right again, whether it is Deaf Education, abortion, CI's, animal testing, vaccinations, whatever, I conceed, you are right. OK?

Yup.

Agreed, she never changes, just cannot accept the fact that deaf children are unique indiviuals and what is best for one deaf child is not necessarily the best path for another. She is constantly defensive about the choices, or lack of choices she made, thus constatnly lashing out at those who made choices for their children that differ from her's.
Rick
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Really, rick, leave the armchair analysis to those that know what they are talking about. You have no more credibility in that area than you do in the area of deaf ed.
 
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