Court of public opinion looms large in George Zimmerman murder trial

[CSign]

If TM was in fear, then how come he confronted/attacked GZ instead of running home? I can't believe that you think TM was afraid. He was not afraid!

Look at what results?

It's called, "fight or flight"- it's the body's natural response to potentially dangerous situations.

The Fight or Flight Response

No one but Trayvon Martin knew exactly what he was feeling. We can only imagine how we perceive we would feel in that type of situation.


If it were me, I certainly would have felt threatened. Perhaps you wouldn't.

You really don't know what "results" I'm talking about?

 

[Calvin]

The truth to what really happens lies in the grave forever. Only TM and GZ knows what happened that day... one is dead and one is alive and where is the truth? It's already buried on the day of the incident.

Certainly GZ learned a huge deal of lesson with a heavy burden of cost on his shoulder. Since he is not guilty, he'll have to be in seclusion for a very long time while his life is in risk... not only himself but his family as well.

It's no fun being on the high profile where everyone knows who you are.

 

[Jiro]

I wasn't making a joke. And I don't know what you are talking about regarding the Asiana Flight crew members. I don't see the connection.

Maybe you do - you seem to be able to connect racist acts of hatred with people who are not racists all the time.

how did you know Asiana Flight crew members joke was racist?

 

[Jiro]

Like I said before, TM had no fear. If he had fear, he still had no reason to defend himself since GZ didn't confront/attack him. TM had no injuries on his body except a gun wound.

Trayvon had injuries on his hands.

The case is over. GZ's found not guilty.

yea no point in bickering any further. nobody is right. the only people who know the truth are Trayvon and Zimmerman.

as you said - Zimmerman is now acquitted of all charges and now we all have to move on. I'm just glad that there has been no riots so far.

 

[Foxrac]

The truth to what really happens lies in the grave forever. Only TM and GZ knows what happened that day... one is dead and one is alive and where is the truth? It's already buried on the day of the incident.

Certainly GZ learned a huge deal of lesson with a heavy burden of cost on his shoulder. Since he is not guilty, he'll have to be in seclusion for a very long time while his life is in risk... not only himself but his family as well.

It's no fun being on the high profile where everyone knows who you are.

Yes, that why I felt Zimmerman's not guilty is no winner and he has deal with different lifestyle. He's marked man as well. In case, if Zimmerman found guilty so it will be likely for appeal court to overturn his conviction because of self defense. I didn't believe that 2nd murder does fit to him and manslaughter was possible, but jurors couldn't find any evidence to convict him under manslaughter. The self defense is pretty ugly word and Martin's families have deal with lost child.

I believe Martin supporters should think about Zimmerman's situation wasn't best and don't have any more luck than them (Martin's supporters).

 

[Calvin]

Not only that, Florida also have a controversial "Stand Your Ground" law. A couple of high profile cases are already controversial, this and another case with the lady who shot her boyfriend in self defense and she got arrested.

Each state has different laws... that's what people need to research for the self defense law in their own state if something happens and needs to be defend themselves without risking to be arrested. Of course there is risky to be in this situation.

Nobody wants to deal with this when that happens. Your stress level would shoot over the roof and BP would boil off the chart. This is never good for everyone involved.

Yes, that why I felt Zimmerman's not guilty is no winner and he has deal with different lifestyle. He's marked man as well. In case, if Zimmerman found guilty so it will be likely for appeal court to overturn his conviction because of self defense. I didn't believe that 2nd murder does fit to him and manslaughter was possible, but jurors couldn't find any evidence to convict him under manslaughter. The self defense is pretty ugly word and Martin's families have deal with lost child.

I believe Martin supporters should think about Zimmerman's situation wasn't best and don't have any more luck than them (Martin's supporters).

 

[CrazyPaul]

That's not correct - TM had fear - see conversation between TM and his girlfriend. The phone call described as fear.

Naisho is correct about fear doesn't mean you have to run away and some people did act to got out of fear.

How do you know? You are deaf! Where did you get the info about that phone call involving fear? The prosecutor didn't even mention "fear" so stop making it up.

Naisho is wrong. If you have fear and you run into your home, you are safe. One example: When a mugger points a knife at you asking for money, it's your choice to fight back out of fear or give him your money if you don't want to die. Most people give their money rather than fighting back because they don't want to die. You know better than that.

Another example: When an intruder breaks in, you go to a bathroom and lock the door to hide so if he breaks the bathroom door, out of fear you may have to fight back to defend yourself if you can or he may let you live if you don't fight back.

TM had other injuries than gun wound - his knuckles.
Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles | www.wftv.com

He did that to himself when he slammed GZ's head on the concrete repeatedly. That was one of the evidences which showed that TM was on top of GZ beating him up. Common sense!

The information could support George Zimmerman's claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him.

 

[Foxrac]

Not only that, Florida also have a controversial "Stand Your Ground" law. A couple of high profile cases are already controversial, this and another case with the lady who shot her boyfriend in self defense and she got arrested.

Each state has different laws... that's what people need to research for the self defense law in their own state if something happens and needs to be defend themselves without risking to be arrested. Of course there is risky to be in this situation.

Nobody wants to deal with this when that happens. Your stress level would shoot over the roof and BP would boil off the chart. This is never good for everyone involved.

Yes, do you remember about Trevor Dooley?
'Stand Your Ground' defense denied for Trevor Dooley in 2010 death of David James in Valrico
Trevor Dooley sentenced to 8 years for manslaughter | Tampa Bay Times

I have sympathy for David James - he was Air Force veteran. I thanked him for serve our country.

 

[naisho]

Naisho is wrong. If you have fear and you run into your home, you are safe. One example: When a mugger points a knife at you asking for money, it's your choice to fight back out of fear or give him your money if you don't want to die. Most people give their money rather than fighting back because they don't want to die. You know better than that.

Paul, you might run away when you are in fear. For some people, fear doesn't mean running away. I think I would fight someone even if I'm fearful. Some people, they fight back. CSign just explained the fight or flight response to you in the earlier post. Not all people will fight, some do and some don't.

HowStuffWorks "How Fear Works"

T*he process of creating fear begins with a scary stimulus and ends with the fight-or-flight response

Fight-or-flight response - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fight-or-flight response (also called the fight-or-flight-or-freeze response, hyperarousal, or the acute stress response) is a physiological reaction that occurs in response to a perceived harmful event, attack, or threat to survival.[1] It was first described by Walter Bradford Cannon.[a][2] His theory states that animals react to threats with a general discharge of the sympathetic nervous system, priming the animal for fighting or fleeing.[3] More specifically, the adrenal medulla produces a hormonal cascade that results in the secretion of catecholamines, especially.[4]

HowStuffWorks "Fight or Flight"

All of these physical responses are intended to help you survive a dangerous situation by preparing you to either run for your life or fight for your life (thus the term "fight or flight"). Fear -- and the fight-or-flight response in particular -- is an instinct that every animal possesses.

 

[Calvin]

Yeah to Florida law, it's like if you kill someone in self defense if someone attacks you, you're in trouble. It's kind of overkill....

Yes, do you remember about Trevor Dooley?
'Stand Your Ground' defense denied for Trevor Dooley in 2010 death of David James in Valrico
Trevor Dooley sentenced to 8 years for manslaughter | Tampa Bay Times

I have sympathy for David James - he was Air Force veteran. I thanked him for serve our country.

 

[Foxrac]

How do you know? You are deaf! Where did you get the info about that phone call involving fear? The prosecutor didn't even mention "fear" so stop making it up.

Excuse me, you misguided my post.

It was from TM's girlfriend's testimony.

Naisho is wrong. If you have fear and you run into your home, you are safe. One example: When a mugger points a knife at you asking for money, it's your choice to fight back out of fear or give him your money if you don't want to die. Most people give their money rather than fighting back because they don't want to die. You know better than that.

That's not true, you can die from run away to home and the criminal can shoot you to die, left as not much option to run away.

Another example: When an intruder breaks in, you go to a bathroom and lock the door to hide so if he breaks the bathroom door, out of fear you may have to fight back to defend yourself if you can or he may let you live if you don't fight back.

The intruder can kill you because they don't want you to be witness.

He did that to himself when he slammed GZ's head on the concrete repeatedly. That was one of the evidences which showed that TM was on top of GZ beating him up. Common sense!

You claimed that TM had no injuries, except for gun wound, so you are incorrect.

 

[CrazyPaul]

Paul, you might run away when you are in fear. For some people, fear doesn't mean running away. I think I would fight someone even if I'm fearful. Some people, they fight back. CSign just explained the fight or flight response to you in the earlier post. Not all people will fight, some do and some don't.

HowStuffWorks "How Fear Works"
Fight-or-flight response - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
HowStuffWorks "Fight or Flight"

If you choose to fight when you can escape, you could die expectedly as long as you don't have anything such as a gun or knife to defend yourself.

As for TM, he could have walked or run home. He would be alive today. You know that, don't you?

 

[CrazyPaul]

Excuse me, you misguided my post.

It was from TM's girlfriend's testimony.

"Creepy ass cracker" sounds pissed, not fear. Creepy means weird.

That's not true, you can die from run away to home and the criminal can shoot you to die, left as not much option to run away.

Oh, yeah, if he points a gun at you, you have to put your hands up to avoid getting killed. If you know how to defend yourself from him, fine but if you don't, then don't fight back, otherwise you will die. Running away will not help most of the times unless he decides not to shoot you.

The intruder can kill you because they don't want you to be witness.

Mostly intruders wear a mask and gloves.

You claimed that TM had no injuries, except for gun wound, so you are incorrect.

Did GZ injure him or did TM injure his hands himself which is called self-injured? When I said TM had no injuries except a gun wound, I talked about what GZ caused. If anyone says that GZ injured him, show me the injuries on his body.

 

[kokonut]

Hmmm...GZ is free.

 

[kokonut]

O: "We are a nation of laws and a jury has spoken."

Yep.

 

[Jiro]

"Creepy ass cracker" sounds pissed, not fear. Creepy means weird.

Oh, yeah, if he points a gun at you, you have to put your hands up to avoid getting killed. If you know how to defend yourself from him, fine but if you don't, then don't fight back, otherwise you will die. Running away will not help most of the times unless he decides not to shoot you.

that would be illegal. you're not allowed to point a gun at a person and not use it.

if Zimmerman pointed a gun at Trayvon and Trayvon put up his hands... and ran away to his home... Zimmerman would be arrested for assault with deadly weapon and worse.

Mostly intruders wear a mask and gloves.

was Trayvon wearing a mask and gloves?

Did GZ injure him or did TM injure his hands himself which is called self-injured? When I said TM had no injuries except a gun wound, I talked about what GZ caused. If anyone says that GZ injured him, show me the injuries on his body.

Trayvon had injuries as the result of altercation.

 

[Foxrac]

"Creepy ass cracker" sounds pissed, not fear. Creepy means weird.

TM said GZ was followed him, that how feared him.

Oh, yeah, if he points a gun at you, you have to put your hands up to avoid getting killed. If you know how to defend yourself from him, fine but if you don't, then don't fight back, otherwise you will die. Running away will not help most of the times unless he decides not to shoot you.

In some cases, the criminal use gun as tactic.

I ran away from armed robber on street of DC because I have wallet and iPhone. I couldn't calm my anxiety so triggered into panic attack. I decided to run away really fast to Gally campus. I'm lucky that robber didn't shoot at me.

Mostly intruders wear a mask and gloves.

The criminals will kill witness, no matter they wear mask or glove.

Did GZ injure him or did TM injure his hands himself which is called self-injured? When I said TM had no injuries except a gun wound, I talked about what GZ caused. If anyone says that GZ injured him, show me the injuries on his body.

I'm focused to correct your error in post #1139 and you claimed TM had no injuries, other than gun wounds.

You have admit that you made error.

 

[kokonut]

Dumb.
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[Jiro]

Dumb.
» Oakland Hit By Riots After Zimmerman Verdict Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Oakland. of course

there's always a riot in Oakland for any black-related news.

 

[Foxrac]

Oakland. of course

there's always a riot in Oakland for any black-related news.

Yes, that's true and remember about BART incident few years ago.

It didn't happen in Florida.