Court of public opinion looms large in George Zimmerman murder trial

[Foxrac]

No no no, that is no good. What did the jury hear from the prosecution (not from google)? That's the key. Was the jury told that GZ stalked TM? I don't think so because the prosecutors don't have an evidence that GZ stalked TM. What the jury got from them were all assumptions (zero evidence).

You missed my word - followed.

It is hard to prove if anyone is stalking.

 

[Jiro]

I guess you don't watch MMA on TV. When a guy is on top of a contender, the guy beat the contender up very easy and the contender wouldn't be able to defend himself. USUALLY the referee stops the fight when the contender on bottom is unable to defend himself, otherwise he would be knocked out or dead.

During the incident, there was no referee so GZ could be knocked out or dead. What's more, while TM saw the gun and tried to take it, he said "You are going to die tonight" but GZ shot him in self-defense. Imagine if GZ failed to take his gun back from him, TM would shoot him and would get charged for first-degree murder.

FYI - Trayvon had never had any MMA training... Zimmerman did.

 

[Jiro]

"You are going to die tonight"... That's a premeditated murder. Hello?

proof please?

 

[CrazyPaul]

FYI - Trayvon had never had any MMA training... Zimmerman did.

GZ's trainer said that GZ sucks at that.
You never fought with a black guy before?

 

[Jiro]

GZ's trainer said that GZ sucks at that.

so that's what he said and I disagree.

You never fought with a black guy before?

yes I did. he nearly passed out from my choke hold. my right foot was dislocated and put back in so it still clicks. thus... a tie.

 

[TXgolfer]

Interesting. If Martin ad gotten the gun he was trying to acquire, this case would have turned out dramatically different.

IT director who raised questions about Zimmerman case is fired - CNN.com

Corey and the entire prosecution team are corrupt. They had to cheat and lie just to keep this case in court.

 

[CrazyPaul]

so that's what he said and I disagree.


yes I did. he nearly passed out from my choke hold. my right foot was dislocated and put back in so it still clicks. thus... a tie.

How? Has he had a MMA training? See my point? TM didn't need a MMA training to defeat GZ.

Haven't you wondered why there are so many black boxers? They are great at boxing. When was the last time a white boxer won the championship professionally?

 

[Jiro]

How? Has he had a MMA training? See my point? TM didn't need a MMA training to defeat GZ.

he had a military training...

Haven't you wondered why there are so many black boxers? They are great at boxing. When was the last time a white boxer won the championship professionally?

boxing? why did you switch subject from MMA to boxing? what's the matter? because there's no black MMA champion?

tsk tsk.... weak sauce, aren't ya?

 

[ambrosia]

GZ's trainer said that GZ sucks at that.
You never fought with a black guy before?

What?? Before I misunderstand.......what does it matter that he was a black guy?

Something else you might want to think about. TM was on top of him and was banging his head in the ground. In that position he could only lift his head a few inches off the ground before banging it again. Would it hurt? Yes. But the force he could use would be limited. TM would actual have done more damage just hitting him in the face while he was on top of him. The dude didn't even have a black eye.

*wondering how many fist fights occur every single day and nobody dies*

But all this is beside the point. GZ was doing something he had no business doing. He's not the police, he's not security. Nobody else was around so it's not like he was steeping in to protect someone. He saw someone he thought was suspicious walking through a neighbor hood. You report that to the cops, let them take care of it, not decide to be Batman. When you do something stupid and reckless and results in someone else's death, you should be held accountable. The End.

This isn't a case if GZ walking somewhere and getting jumped and defending himself. He instigated the entire scene.

 

[CrazyPaul]

he had a military training...


boxing? why did you switch subject from MMA to boxing? what's the matter? because there's no black MMA champion?

tsk tsk.... weak sauce, aren't ya?

TM was on top of GZ beating him up. The news call it MMA style. I bet TM learned from TV. Anyway about boxing, he punched GZ's face quickly and unexpectedly like the one I have experienced while my black friend and I played around fighting during high school. I told him that he was too good so I gave up. He understood me.

 

[CrazyPaul]

What?? Before I misunderstand.......what does it matter that he was a black guy?

Something else you might want to think about. TM was on top of him and was banging his head in the ground. In that position he could only lift his head a few inches off the ground before banging it again. Would it hurt? Yes. But the force he could use would be limited. TM would actual have done more damage just hitting him in the face while he was on top of him. The dude didn't even have a black eye.

*wondering how many fist fights occur every single day and nobody dies*

But all this is beside the point. GZ was doing something he had no business doing. He's not the police, he's not security. Nobody else was around so it's not like he was steeping in to protect someone. He saw someone he thought was suspicious walking through a neighbor hood. You report that to the cops, let them take care of it, not decide to be Batman. When you do something stupid and reckless and results in someone else's death, you should be held accountable. The End.

This isn't a case if GZ walking somewhere and getting jumped and defending himself. He instigated the entire scene.

You said that GZ did something wrong and I say that he didn't do something wrong. Oh, well... move on.

 

[Jiro]

TM was on top of GZ beating him up. The news call it MMA style.

the news would call a black hunting rifle as "Assault Weapon" anyway :roll:

I bet TM learned from TV.

I bet Zimmerman learned a lot from Charles Bronson movies. The only difference is... Zimmerman had real training and real gun.... Trayvon got nothing but Skittle and Arizona Iced Tea....

heck... did you even see Zimmerman's flashlight? it's a tactical model.... "Assault Light"... it has jarred edge that can be used to seriously injure a person or even kill one.

Anyway about boxing, he punched GZ's face quickly and unexpectedly like the one I have experienced while my black friend and I played around fighting during high school. I told him that he was too good so I gave up. He understood me.

and.....? stereotype much?

 

[CrazyPaul]

the news would call a black hunting rifle as "Assault Weapon" anyway :roll:

Really? :roll:

I bet Zimmerman learned a lot from Charles Bronson movies. The only difference is... Zimmerman had real training and real gun.... Trayvon got nothing but Skittle and Arizona Iced Tea....

Charlie Bronson movies are so different. Charlies killed criminals wherever he went. GZ didn't kill criminals. So WTF are you talking about?

heck... did you even see Zimmerman's flashlight? it's a tactical model.... "Assault Light"... it has jarred edge that can be used to seriously injure a person or even kill one.

Is it legal or illegal?

and.....? stereotype much?

It's not a stereotype. It's a fact that black guys are great fighters. They are proud of it. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Reba]

the news would call a black hunting rifle as "Assault Weapon" anyway :roll:

I think they were quoting witnesses whose testimony referred to Martin striking Zimmerman MMA style. (I heard that testimony by one of the neighbors.)

I bet Zimmerman learned a lot from Charles Bronson movies.

I wouldn't assume that unless you also assume Martin watched violent street fighting movies, too.

The only difference is... Zimmerman had real training and real gun.... Trayvon got nothing but Skittle and Arizona Iced Tea....

Neither one knew what the other had before they started fighting.

heck... did you even see Zimmerman's flashlight? it's a tactical model.... "Assault Light"... it has jarred edge that can be used to seriously injure a person or even kill one.

Is it a crime to carry one?

 

[Jiro]

Really? :roll:

Charlie Bronson movies are so different. Charlies killed criminals wherever he went. GZ didn't kill criminals. So WTF are you talking about?

ah... so Zimmerman killed an innocent person?

Is it legal or illegal?

you tell me.

It's not a stereotype. It's a fact that black guys are great fighters. They are proud of that. Nothing wrong with that.

but.... have you ever seen a black MMA champion?

 

[Jiro]

I think they were quoting witnesses whose testimony referred to Martin striking Zimmerman MMA style. (I heard that testimony by one of the neighbors.)

I wouldn't assume that unless you also assume Martin watched violent street fighting movies, too.

Neither one knew what the other had before they started fighting.

like I said... the only difference is... Zimmerman was trained... not Trayvon.

Is it a crime to carry one?

it shows that Zimmerman was armed and ready to fight. tactical mode.

tactical flashlight. gun. MMA training.

 

[TXgolfer]

like I said... the only difference is... Zimmerman was trained... not Trayvon.

Trayvon was an athlete and a football player that practiced hitting and getting hit every day. GZ was a roly poly taking a novice level fighting class a couple of days a week hoping to lose weight.

 

[Jiro]

Trayvon was an athlete and a football player that practiced hitting and getting hit every day. GZ was a roly poly taking a novice level fighting class a couple of days a week hoping to lose weight.

again... Zimmerman had a training in FIGHTING... Trayvon was an athlete.. not a fighter.

 

[TXgolfer]

again... Zimmerman had a training in FIGHTING... Trayvon was an athlete.. not a fighter.

Are you sure?

 

[Reba]

This is addressed to no one specifically but to everyone, generally.

There seems to be a mistaken idea that only the police can deal with crime and criminals. Americans, for a large part, seem to put all the burden of a civil society on the police, and then complain when they either don't respond quickly and often enough, or become too powerful and intrusive. Yet, we're the ones who surrender our authority to them, and sit around like helpless children when something goes wrong.

Folks, it is not illegal to check on suspicious activities in your neighborhood, as long as you either stay on your own property, common property (streets, sidewalks, easements), or the property of a neighbor with whom you have an understanding (for example, we looked after the property of our elderly next-door neighbors).

That doesn't mean you can't call the police--you should. But don't depend so much on them. They aren't infallible.

I doubt very much that TCS or I would have taken the same action as Zimmerman, even if we were armed. We would probably observe where he went from our vehicle and call it in to the police. We would stay in the car but keep an eye on him, and keep the police informed. BTW, we have had similar break ins in our neighborhood, by teenagers, who got away. Almost the same scenario. Our neighborhood FB community spread the word, and kept us informed. They also asked us to be on the look out for the teens, and they gave a description of them. That is not profiling.