Court of public opinion looms large in George Zimmerman murder trial

ambrosia said:
I don't have a problem with guns, or carrying one. This isn't an issue for me. BUT you have a responsibility to act responsibly with one. I think having one made him a little brave and when things didn't play out like he thought they would he found out he wasn't very brave and he panicked. I don't believe his life was in danger, I don't believe he really thought his life was on danger but he panicked and he used his gun when he shouldn't have. If he hadn't gone for his gun, and defended himself with his his own hands and fists, he still would have walked away, both of them would have. If you kill somebody because you are behaving irresponsibly, yeah you should be punished. He shouldn't get to walk away with a "oh you Zimmerman, that was just silly. Don't do that again."
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I guess you don't watch MMA on TV. When a guy is on top of a contender, the guy beat the contender up very easy and the contender wouldn't be able to defend himself. USUALLY the referee stops the fight when the contender on bottom is unable to defend himself, otherwise he would be knocked out or dead.

During the incident, there was no referee so GZ could be knocked out or dead. What's more, while TM saw the gun and tried to take it, he said "You are going to die tonight" but GZ shot him in self-defense. Imagine if GZ failed to take his gun back from him, TM would shoot him and would get charged for first-degree murder.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
The people I know do not go around following people especially teenagers at night carrying a gun . People call the polices where I live and let the cops deal with the situation. If a person is going to use a gun in a place there is a lot of people they better know how to aim a gun so they do not end up killing an innocent person. Zimmerman is not the best person to use as a neighborhood watchman , he out of shape and does not know how to fight to protect himself . Zimmerman's actions cause the whole situation to happen. He was pissed off that " the ****ing punks always got away!" and this is his own words that showed over and over on TV during the trial. GZ painted a target on TM the moment he saw the kid .
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He did not shoot any bystanders and he won the fight so i'm not sure what your points are there.
 
jonnyghost said:
Interesting. Is this unique to Florida law? Or this case somehow?


Edit: I see its the stand your ground law, he only has to prove reasonable doubt.
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The key is GZ plead Not Guilty by Reasonable Doubt rather than Not Guilty by Self Defense.
 
CrazyPaul said:
I guess you don't watch MMA on TV. When a guy is on top of a contender, the guy beat the contender up very easy and the contender wouldn't be able to defend himself. USUALLY the referee stops the fight when the contender on bottom is unable to defend himself, otherwise he would be knocked out or dead.

During the incident, there was no referee so GZ could be knocked out or dead. What's more, while TM saw the gun and tried to take it, he said "You are going to die tonight" but GZ shot him in self-defense. Imagine if GZ failed to take his gun back from him, TM would shoot him and would get charged for first-degree murder.
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No, TM's murder will be not premeditated.

For first degree murder aka capital murder, you must have premeditated to kill someone.
 
Foxrac said:
No, TM's murder will be not premeditated.

For first degree murder aka capital murder, you must have premeditated to kill someone.
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"You are going to die tonight"... That's a premeditated murder. Hello?
 
CrazyPaul said:
"You are going to die tonight"... That's a premeditated murder. Hello?
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It isn't related to gun, TM was trying to beat him to death.

That's not premeditated because TM didn't got involved until confrontation.

Also, your statement was GZ's story.
 
Foxrac said:
It isn't related to gun, TM was trying to beat him to death.

That's not premeditated because TM didn't got involved until confrontation.

Also, your statement was GZ's story.
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Yes, TM got involved when he confronted/attacked GZ. What for? Pissed off that GZ observed him because he was black. Not necessary to do that. If I were him, I would just ignore him and walk home happily.
 
CrazyPaul said:
Yes, TM got involved when he confronted/attacked GZ. What for? Pissed off that GZ observed him because he was black. Not necessary to do that. If I were him, I would just ignore him and walk home happily.
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TM didn't have any plan to kill someone and this event was pretty freak occurrence - it means TM had very last minute to make decision, right at confrontation.

It is normal for minors to became phobia when strangers go after them.
 
Foxrac said:
TM didn't have any plan to kill someone and this event was pretty freak occurrence - it means TM had very last minute to make decision, right at confrontation.

It is normal for minors to became phobia when strangers go after them.
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No, he was not afraid of confronting GZ. He thought he was a tough guy. If he was afraid, then he wouldn't confront GZ and he would run home instead.
 
TXgolfer said:
The key is GZ plead Not Guilty by Reasonable Doubt rather than Not Guilty by Self Defense.
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Hmmm, trying to see how this jives with what I heard a defense attorney not connected to the case say: "I don't think the defense convincingly showed that GZ retreated......"
 
CrazyPaul said:
No, he was not afraid of confronting GZ. He thought he was a tough guy. If he was afraid, then he wouldn't confront GZ and he would run home instead.
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It is depending on minors, some are scared away (run away) and some got into confrontation/fighting.

TM's life is already in fear because GZ stalked him.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I do not known you personally , so you do not count to me.
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The fact is, if a person is properly carrying a weapon concealed, you will never know it. It doesn't show, and the person won't normally tell you. It's not something people announce to others.
 
Tousi said:
Hmmm, trying to see how this jives with what I heard a defense attorney not connected to the case say: "I don't think the defense convincingly showed that GZ retreated......"
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Well see, they can still argue self defense as justifiable force without claiming NGSD. FL is a little different in that one gain regain rights to self defense. That is the statute I keep posting. The argument is that GZ regained his SD rights once he found himself pinned to the ground under the statute.
 
Reba said:
The fact is, if a person is properly carrying a weapon concealed, you will never know it. It doesn't show, and the person won't normally tell you. It's not something people announce to others.
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That would kinda defeat the "concealed" part. Lol
 
Foxrac said:
It is depending on minors, some are scared away (run away) and some got into confrontation/fighting.

TM's life is already in fear because GZ stalked him.
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I don't remember that the prosecutor said that GZ stalked him.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
The people I know do not go around following people especially teenagers at night carrying a gun .
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OK but that wasn't your original statement to which I replied. I was replying to your statement about carrying guns, not about following teenagers. Those are two totally separate activities.

People call the polices where I live and let the cops deal with the situation.
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That's fine if you are safely able to do that. Sometimes there isn't enough time for the police to respond.

If a person is going to use a gun in a place there is a lot of people they better know how to aim a gun so they do not end up killing an innocent person.
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That's gun owners should train and practice, and be aware of their environment.

Zimmerman is not the best person to use as a neighborhood watchman , he out of shape and does not know how to fight to protect himself .
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Being a neighborhood watch member isn't about being in shape and fighting. In fact, as many have pointed out, one should avoid physical confrontation with suspicious people. Neighborhood watching is about being observant and taking the trouble to contact authorities when necessary. They also hold community meetings to discuss safety tips, and letting people know what's happening in the neighborhood. Some of the best neighborhood watchers aren't the physically fit people--they are the elderly and others who stay home and stay observant.

Zimmerman's actions cause the whole situation to happen. He was pissed off that " the ****ing punks always got away!" and this is his own words that showed over and over on TV during the trial. GZ painted a target on TM the moment he saw the kid .
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A lot of people are "pissed off" about crime but that doesn't mean they want to go out and seek people to kill. That is an extreme over reaction.

In many of your posts you seem "pissed off" but I wouldn't expect you to become physically violent or target other people.
 
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