Cop "Not Sorry"

[Liebling:-)))]

Events were corroborated by several individuals in Crowley's defense. Gates was just a pompous ass spouting words of hate using the race card for naught.

Accord 1st Amendment, Gates is allow to say something back to Officer IN his home without violence/threat if he felt being treat unfair by Officer. Accord Mass. law, he commit no crime. Therefore, Police Officer abused 1st and 4th Amendment.

Race card? Police Officer did the same thing is mentioned race in his report.

As far as I can tell, even with the Cambridge police supporting Crowley, Crowley told the truth. And that truth was backed up. Plain and simple.

Are you saying the tapes of that Lucia Whalen, 911 Caller and Officer´s audio radio lie?

To have your name smeared and accused on national television by the U.S. president saying that Crowley "acted stupidly" requires a direct and public apology from Obama. Right now, Obama is nothing than a gutless wonder boy if he can't bring himself to apologize publicly. He wasn't smart enought to should kept his mouth shut in the first place.

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Obama did not use Crowley´s name to the public as he stated that "Police Officer" acted stupidly for arrest Gates after proved who he is...

Lucia should sue the Police Officer for defamation to use her name in his report to put her in a bad situation. Yes, Lucia deserve a huge apology from Police Officer Crowley.

Yes, Obama should choose the word differently than use those word "Police Officer acted stupidly". Unfortunlately what Obama said is true about Police Officer but he should keep his opinion himself.

Yes, he did regret and accept his responsible for his own word to the public.

Both Gates and Crowley accept Obama´s invitation with no complication, not even demand his apology. They are happy.

She is a racist. She views her ethnic experience as superior. After all, with her association with la Raza ("the race" in Spanish) begs the question on how racist that organization is. Imagine an all white organization called itself "The Race," you can bet that the MSM will show their hypocrisy by going after "The Race", a white organization. However, this is a different story. This is about a U.S. president who used his position to slander and malign a good officer's name. Instead Obama should have kept his mouth shut the whole time. Everytime he opens his mouth he just manage to mess things up.

Obama expressed his view because he was ASKED for his reaction over Gates´ case. Yes, he should say something differently than use those word "acted stupid" to the public as long as he did not name Crowley but just "Police Officer".

You should say the same thing to Police Officer to use Lucia´s name and also race in his report, public and internet, his lies put her in a bad situation is not acceptance.

The tapes of 911 Caller and Police Officer´s audio radio do not support Crowley´s statement, period.

It´s okay for you to accuse Sayomayor as a racist but why it´s not Okay for Gates?

 

[Cheri]

this entire fiasco could have easily avoided. simply by remaining calm and cooperating with the police officer.
it is totally screwed up.

He must had been so tired from a trip he went to, We are all moody sometimes.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

He must had been so tired from a trip he went to, We are all moody sometimes.

yeah, unfortunately the next chain of events was something he didn't bring on himself. handling it the wrong way turned everything into a race relations circus. life is nuts sometimes :roll:

 

[Liebling:-)))]

so 4 days later... did gates file a complaint against Crowley?

did you even read the article at all? it's mostly about Crowley and his professionalism. and disputing the claim that Crowley is racist. :roll:

Crowley and his professionalism?

No matter what, accord 1st amendment, Gates can assume what he wants and what he feel IN his home.

Police Officer abused 1st and 4th Amendment, period.

Gates and Lucia should SUE Crowley for defamation/humliation to hurt their names.

I don´t think you read all the article or you sweep Crowley´s lies under th rug and blame Gates and Obama.

I don´t blame Lucia for speak to the public to clean her name and the tape of 911 call support Lucia´s word. Lucia deserve a huge apology from Police Officer Crowley.

Everything coming out to the truth by Lucia Whalen and both tapes, Crowley is the one who apology Lucia, Gates and Cambridge Police station for hurt their names.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

are you confused, my fair lady? GOP/Republicans are free to criticize Sotomayer and they were not dealing with cops right at their faces. Gates is free to spout nonsense as well but if the officer tells you to calm down and cooperate when investigating the possible crime, you have to do it.

It make no difference because they all are human being and entitle their POV.

How do you know that Police Officer tried to calm Gates down? Who said this? Do you expect me beleive Police Officer´s report after learn that he lied on his report?

no he didn't. He did not go to stage and say - "I'm sorry." He backpedaled and hoped to make press go away by inviting them over for a beer.

Crowley should reject Obama´s invitation and want Obama´s apology but he didn´t. I assume that Crowley is satisfy and happy to accept Obama´s invitation. He has no problem with that but you and Koko?

 

[C.C.Sinned]

No matter what, accord 1st amendment, Gates can assume what he wants and what he feel IN his home.

Police Officer abused 1st and 4th Amendment, period..

Liebling,
How and in which was did Crowley abuse the 1st and 4th amendment?

Detail your understanding of the 1st and 4th amendments and how do they apply to this case?

What is probable cause?

At which time can and officer enter a residence with probable cause?

What are Miranda Rights?

What Laws state a person is free to be abusive to a police officer?

 

[C.C.Sinned]

i wonder what the travel and expense bill will be, after all us tax payers will be paying for it

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Obama NEVER apologized for his damaging and false remarks.

Michigan lawmaker Thaddeus McCotter introduced a legislation on Monday demanding that President Obama aplogize to Cambridge police officer James Crowley. McCotter pushes Obama apology res. - First Read - msnbc.com

So, no. You are incorrect that Obama already apologized. He hasn't and certainly will try and avoid any semblance of an apology. He's a gutless coward.

I do not see anything that Obama made a false remark because what he said about Police Officer is true that Police Officer acted stupidly to arrest homeowner after prove his IDs. I don´t know why you see it differently as me.

Obama did regret and accept his responsible for use those word "Police Officer acted stupidly".

No, Michigan lawmaker Thaddeus McCotter should not force Obama to apology Crowley to the public.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

I do not see anything that Obama made a false remark because what he said about Police Officer is true that Police Officer acted stupidly to arrest homeowner after prove his IDs. I don´t know why you see it differently as me.

the arrest was for his conduct towards the officer, the fact he showed his ID and proved his residence does not excuse his behavior...

Obama did regret and accept his responsible for use those word "Police Officer acted stupidly".

but he isn't man enough to appologize to the police force and officer... :roll:

No, Michigan lawmaker Thaddeus McCotter should not force Obama to apology Crowley to the public.

no he shouldn't Obama should have enough integrity to do it on his own

 

[Liebling:-)))]

yes and now that both sides of the story are out, almost everyone agrees that Gates is a pompus ass who over reacted and Obama should appologise.

only a few can't seem to grasp this...

inviting people to have a beer inorder to save face, is NOT an apology. it is cowardly and shows little integrity...

Both sides of Crowley and Gates´s story come and then Lucia´s side 2 days ago to yesterday comes.

We know that Gates and Lucia´s stories are true, not Crowley.

Do you still deny Lucia´s side that she never mentioned race and talked Crowley as what Crowley wrote on his report? Lucia´s skin is olive, not white as what Crowley describe her as a white female in his report.

If I were a lawmaker, I would not introduce a legislation to force Obama to apologize for his remarks. That would not a real apology. Obama would not mean it as if he is being forced to apologize. One should apologize with a sincere heart. That's real. I am not familiar with Lawmaker McCotter's conservative beliefs. If he holds his conservative beliefs, he would not waste his time.

Right.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

Both sides of Crowley and Gates´s story come and then Lucia´s side 2 days ago to yesterday comes.

We know that Gates and Lucia´s stories are true, not Crowley.

Do you still deny Lucia´s side that she never mentioned race and talked Crowley as what Crowley wrote on his report? Lucia´s skin is olive, not white as what Crowley describe her as a white female in his report.

Italians have Olive skin and are considered white


Here is the trans script:

911 OPERATOR: 9-1-1, what is the exact location of your emergency?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Hi, I'm actually at (inaudible) street in Cambridge, the house number is 7 Ware Street.

911 OPERATOR: OK ma'am, your cell phone cut out, what's the address again?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Sorry, it's 7 Ware Street. That's W-A-R-E Street.

911 OPERATOR: The emergency is at 7 Ware Street, right?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Well no, I'm sorry. 17. Some other woman is talking next to me but it's 17, 1-7 Ware Street.

911 OPERATOR: What's the phone number you're calling me from?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I'm calling you from my cell phone number.

911 OPERATOR: All right, tell me exactly what happened?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Um, I don't know what's happening. I just had an older woman standing here and she had noticed two gentlemen trying to get in a house at that number, 17 Ware Street. And they kind of had to barge in and they broke the screen door and they finally got in. When I had looked, I went further, closer to the house a little bit after the gentlemen were already in the house. I noticed two suitcases. So, I'm not sure if this is two individuals who actually work there, I mean, who live there.

911 OPERATOR: You think they might have been breaking in?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I don't know 'cause I have no idea. I just noticed.

911 OPERATOR: So you're saying you think the possibility might have been there? What do you mean by barged in? You mean they kicked the door in?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: No, they were pushing the door in. Like, umm, the screen part of the front door was kind of like cut.

911 OPERATOR: How did they open the door itself with the lock?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: They, I didn't see a key or anything 'cause I was a little bit away from the door. But I did notice that they pushed their (interrupted).

911 OPERATOR: And what do the suitcases have to do with anything?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I don't know, I'm just saying that's what I saw.

911 OPERATOR: Do you know what apartment they broke into?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: No, they're just they first floor. I don't even think that it's an apartment. It's 17 Ware Street. It's a house, it's a yellow house. Number 17. I don't know if they live there and they just had a hard time with their key but I did notice that they kind of used their shoulder to kind of barge in and they got in. I don't know if they had a key or not because I couldn't see from my angle. But, you know, when I looked a little closely that's what I saw.

911 OPERATOR: (inaudible) guy or Hispanic?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Umm.

911 OPERATOR: Are they still in the house?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: They're still in the house, I believe, yeah.

911 OPERATOR: Were they white, black or Hispanic?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Umm, well there were two larger men, one looked kind of Hispanic but I'm not really sure. And the other one entered and I didn't see what he looked like at all. I just saw it from a distance and this older woman was worried thinking someone's breaking in someone's house, they've been barging in. And she interrupted me and that's when I had noticed otherwise I probably wouldn't have noticed it at all, to be honest with you. So, I was just calling 'cause she was a concerned neighbor, I guess.

911 OPERATOR: OK, are you standing outside?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I'm standing outside, yes.

911 OPERATOR: All right, the police are on the way, you can meet them then they get there. What's your name?

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Yeah, my name is (deleted).

911 OPERATOR: All right, we're on the way.

FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Ok. All right, I guess I'll wait. Thanks.

there was a mention of a race, she wasn't sure yet there was mention of a hispanic

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I just heard her make a statement on the radio. She was very upset. People have been threatening her and calling her mother. It's awful how people have been treating her.

Ditto

this is why the President should have not commented on Crowley-Gates incident. Racial issue is a very dangerous and serious subject that can be easily misunderstood and angered by many.

Shame on you, Obama

Huh What Obama do with Lucia´s situation? Crowley is the one who mentioned race in his report and claim that Lucia mentioned race to him, not Obama.

Crowley is the one who put Lucia in a bad situation over his lies in his report, not Obama.

Again, Lucia deserves a huge apology from Crowley, not Obama.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Italians have Olive skin and are considered white


Here is the trans script:
there was a mention of a race, she wasn't sure yet there was mention of a hispanic

No matter what.. the fact is Lucia´s skin is olive... Crowley should wrote "Hispanic", not "white" or "black" or dark olive skinned female.

Crowley mentioned in his report that Lucia said "two black men with backpacks." to him.

Accord the link, 911 Operator ASKED Lucia over races. Lucia did not mentioned one word "black" as what Crowley claimed in his report.

 

[netrox]

I think you are now more upset than Crowely and Gates are, about to have beer with their president, Obama.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Powell: Both Gates, police could have handled things better

again - do not argue with police. be cooperative and respectful to police and they will return same manner to you. If the officers did not - calm down and continue to be respectful and cooperative. File a complaint against that rude officer later.

yes an arrest was not necessary but it was understandable. It was not illegal arrest as well.

I am surprised that you posted that link because I thought Powell´s view over Crowley doesn´t support your view.

Anyway, Colin Powell took both sides between Gates and Crowley and stated his POV on both sides, not one side against Gates.

Yes, we all know that Gates was overreacted like what I said before and also Colin as well.

Under 1st Amendment, we can respectfully argue Police Officer if we feel being unfair treat by them as long as there´re no threat and assault. Gates argued back to Police Officer was IN Gates´s home, not outside of his home.

Gates can assume whatever he wants to Officer IN his home.

Crowley lead Gates outside then he can arrest him because he CAN´t arrest Gates IN his home without warrant.

Now we know the truth from Lucia and don´t know either Crowley tell the truth about Gates´s behavior in his home because we were not there but receive both sides of Gates and Crowley´s story.

I am on Gates and Lucia´s sides after learn that Crowley lied in his report.

I respectfully disagree with Colin for suggest that Gates should step out of his home to talk with Officer. Gates´ lawyer said that Gates´s move for say no to Officer´s order for step out of his home.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Caller in Gates case says she'd do it again


poor lady! she chose her words carefully and honestly when calling 911..... and Obama didn't even do same .... *SMH*

For correction:

Police Officer Crowley, not Obama.

Your posts prove itself that you sweep Crowley´s lies under the rug and blame Obama for the whole. Lucia´s situation has nothing do with Obama´s remark but Crowley. Crowley is the one who put Lucia in a bad situation, not Obama.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

1) I wouldn't be surprised if Gates was indeed being belligerent.
2) I wouldn't be surprised if Crowley wouldn't arrest him if Gates was white but behaved the same.
3) I wouldn't be surprised if Gates wouldn't have been arrested if he just calmed down.

Honestly, who cares? It was a bad day for both of them and no real harm came out of it. Obama got a lesson on what happens when the President gives his own opinion. I think he should be allowed to give his own opinion but America isn't ready for it. Since I am an insignificant being in this big great nation, my own personal opinion is... Crowley did act kind of stupid. To me.. it's the same as a cop stopping me because my left headlight went out and ended up frisking me in order to BE SURE because he suspected something was up since I talked with a weird accent.

Yes, I am thinking the same and agree that Police Officer acted stupidty and unprofessional.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

No matter what.. the fact is Lucia´s skin is olive... Crowley should wrote "Hispanic", not "white" or "black" or dark olive skinned female.

lets be even more pc and lets add another color to race group. The Olive-Americans. it will contain Italians and Portugese, yeah lets dived the even more color groups, let's....

nah stupid idea that is, just like it is a stupid idea the way we dived by colors now...

Crowley mentioned in his report that Lucia said "two black men with backpacks." to him.

Accord the link, 911 Operator ASKED Lucia over races. Lucia did not mentioned one word "black" as what Crowley claimed in his report.

police report are written after the event. Crowley wrote it down long after receiving the 911 call. human error doesn't make some one a racist or racial profiler.

she also said hispanic, and crowley dealt with gates at the house who was black. so since crowley wrote the report after the arrest and booking, human error made him think "black" while typing up the report...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

There is a VERY blurry line at what point a cop should arrest someone when they are being disorderly.

"Oh geez fine."
"Oh come on!!!!"
"Dont you have ANYTHING better to do?"
"You're such an a**hole."
"F*** you!!!"
"I'm gonna bust a cap in your a**!!"
"If you dont leave me alone, I will break your neck."

At what point should the cop arrest the man?

Yes, I second that.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

Yes, I second that.

answer the question in her post. at what point should a person be arrested?


could you reply to post 206?

I'm would like to see your legal knowledge on the issues brought up in this thread.