Confederate Flag

What does Confederate Rebel Flag means to you?

  • A symbol of Civil War History

    Votes: 41 25.8%

  • A symbol of racist

    Votes: 44 27.7%

  • A symbol of Heritage (Civil War Veteran Generation)

    Votes: 60 37.7%

  • Others - please specify

    Votes: 14 8.8%
  • Total voters
    159
Texan Guy said:
Funny, it's better to fly than lying on the ground, huh?

Thank you, Calvin, for the link.
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You're welcome :)
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Why you posted the poster to wrong thread when you know the history? :scratch: That´s why your post got me wondering because I know it´s illegal to teach black people to read and write in South America and it couldn´t be that the posters are everywhere to the public in South America because black people were not allow to read until Reba remind me that the poster was for North America. This thread here is about condederate Flag, condederate soilders, black slavery etc in South America, not North America. Unfortunlately you posted the poster to wrong thread. :)
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Actually I said the poster was for Union Army first. See post 384. See your post #385. You said "It was an illegal to teach black people to learn write and read. ;) How could they read those poster... ?:roll:" The reason for the poster was to prove you wrong that black people can read.

Liebling:-))) said:
Don´t you know that the history about black slavery in North America and Canada in 1600s? Their history over law about black slavery is not same as in South America. :)
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Yes I do. Quite more than you. Please stick to topic. Canada and 1600's are irrelevant. Reba and I corrected your misconception of history of black people in American history and few mistakes.

Liebling:-))) said:
Why should I explain you then when you know the history about confederate Flag, black slavery history? I already explained what and how I was taught to learn about black slavery history. It´s hard to believe that there´re "many" good slavery masters in South America... Few yes but many?
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first of all - your post is full of mistakes. I thought your hobby is history? Part of that hobby is also to be open-minded and to listen & learn from American ADers... even if it's different from what you learned at your school. American Civil War & Confederate Flag & Black people happened in USA, not Europe. :) Couple of ADers in here are distinctly related to General Lee (the General of Confederate Army). You should be able to know the difference between North America and South America because these are 2 different continents. I'm sorry you find it hard to believe that there are many "good" slave masters but that's what happens when you let the movies affect your view.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Actually, some good slave owners, not most or all but why they made the posters when they know that black people can´t read? They also know that it´s illegal to teach black people to read and write?
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because your knowledge of our history is wrong. that's why you're confused. You're looking at a very very very simple one-line fact. You're missing the big picture. We're trying to tell you but you're not being open-minded to our lectures. :)
 
Foxrac said:
Well, USA flag is national country flag but confederate flag is just regional that's popular for southern pride, heritage and redneck.

Same with USSR flags in Russia, some Russians are flying the USSR flag as heritage or pride of communism.
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I can understand about heritage, southern pride, and redneck. But, I am talkin' about the USA flag's role is STILL important in people's lives. It stands for Freedom/Independence for everyone in the United States of America. :)

I have nothin' against the Confederate flag, if the southerners respect the USA flag that represented its freedom/independence for all races in America. I mean, not to be racists or anythin' like this against black people. Our former President Abraham Lincoln signed on papers to free the slave people. That was his purpose to role the USA flag for ALL. It also means that the black people can live the same rights as white -- regardless of their color skin.
 
Texan Guy said:
Yes, it indeed is, however, we still need to respect the flag of Confederate flag for its history, heritage, pride, and blood.
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Sure, I have no problem with it. ;) The USA flag is STILL # 1 proriity role rather than the Confederate flag. I don't see the White House carry the Confederate flag for ALL, if the White House is STILL in the USA as well as the southerners.
 
Maria said:
Sure, I have no problem with it. ;) The USA flag is STILL # 1 proriity role rather than the Confederate flag. I don't see the White House carry the Confederate flag for ALL, if the White House is STILL in the USA as well as the southerners.
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this is not about priority or whatsoever. It's different issue. They wave both flags, ya know? :) Confederate Flag represents their heritage... USA flag represents the country. big difference.
 
Jiro said:
this is not about priority or whatsoever. It's different issue. They wave both flags, ya know? :) Confederate Flag represents their heritage... USA flag represents the country. big difference.
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Oh, yes I know. But, still the USA flag is more important. It's still prority for everyone to know its history and how it breaks the slavery from the past. It also ends the war on slavery. It won. President Abraham Lincoln did it all.

And, ohh I forgot to add to mention: It's probably why the President Obama put his hand on former President Abraham Lincoln's bible to oath Presidency. Hmm...
 
Maria said:
Oh, yes I know. But, still the USA flag is more important. It's still prority for everyone to know its history and how it breaks the slavery from the past. It also ends the war on slavery. It won. President Abraham Lincoln did it all.

And, ohh I forgot to add to mention: It's probably why the President Obama put his hand on former President Abraham Lincoln's bible to oath Presidency. Hmm...
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It's a common misconception that Lincoln did it to free slave. It was to preserve Union and to enforce those who defied against federal government. Lincoln believed secession was illegal and the Confederate states said "F.U." thus.... the Civil War began....

Abraham Lincoln's word - "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

American Revolution - due to secession from Britain
American Civil War - due to secession from the Union
 
Jiro said:
Actually I said the poster was for Union Army first. See post 384. See your post #385. You said "It was an illegal to teach black people to learn write and read. ;) How could they read those poster... ?:roll:" The reason for the poster was to prove you wrong that black people can read.
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No, you changed your mind in your post # 384 after Brydie's post #381 and DareDevel7 post#383.

http://www.alldeaf.com/1282692-post383.html

I quoted your post #377 to ask you question.:)

Where I said anything about it's illegal to teach black people to read and write in my posts as you pasted my posts to quote my post #377...?

Jiro's post #377 with post the link of poster.
Your own word "for starter - read about UNITED STATES COLORED TROOPS. Google it as well. You will see that many statements supported Reba's and Texan Guy's statements that majority of black people VOLUNTEERED for Confederate Army."..
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AllDeaf.com - View Single Post - Confederate Flag

I quoted your post with the link of poster #385 explain that it was illegal to teach black people to read and write and asked you how could they read those poster?

AllDeaf.com - View Single Post - Confederate Flag


Quit to twist my post... :) Please be honest yourself that you did made mistake to post the poster to prove us that black people VOLUNTEERED for Confederate Army accord your post #377 in first place.

Yes I do. Quite more than you. Please stick to topic. Canada and 1600's are irrelevant. Reba and I corrected your misconception of history of black people in American history and few mistakes.
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Not really, have a look at your own post #377... It's me who asked you question in my post #385 as I quoted your post #377 ... :) If you say that you know the history then you would not post the poster #377 don't you? Unfortunlately, I see from your post #377 that you have lack of knowledge about those history...

No, I am here to listen all ADers' posts and questioned them. I can say something when I want to agree to disagree... Not correction... :)


first of all - your post is full of mistakes.
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wow!!! :rofl2: Have a real good look at your own post #377... You think you know everything to 100%? :rofl2:

I thought your hobby is history?
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Of course, I learned plenty about history. Why I am here for? :)

Part of that hobby is also to be open-minded and to listen & learn from American ADers... even if it's different from what you learned at your school.
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Yes, I have... I would suggest you go back to 1st page of thread to re-read... :)

I'm here to listen, read, ask the questions, post the links from websites and AD threads where American ADers post over black slavery and civil war and feel free to agree to disagree because I'm interesting... not correction... :)




American Civil War & Confederate Flag & Black people happened in USA, not Europe. :)
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So? Is it forbidden for Europeans to learn about US history or world history? I'm sorry that you don't like that European know about black slavery in America history...

Couple of ADers in here are distinctly related to General Lee (the General of Confederate Army). You should be able to know the difference between North America and South America because these are 2 different continents.
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I did quoted to explain you the difference between North and South America few hours ago. :) I'm the one who posted the link and quoted your post and other ADer's post as well... ;)


I'm sorry you find it hard to believe that there are many "good" slave masters but that's what happens when you let the movies affect your view.
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I'm sorry that your post #377 prove me enough to know that you have a lack of knowledge over black slavery and confederate history in south America. I'm sorry... I don't beleive that there're many good slave masters... No, it's not just Alex Haley's movies of his parents' generation (The Roots and Queen) but history, I learn at school.

Slavery in America - An Introduction to Slave Life Do you deny it?

That's an exact what and how I was taught at school. It's your choice to deny those history and beleive in many good slavery masters/owners... I don't but a few.
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Jiro said:
have you read ANY OF Southern ADer's posts?? Why do you not believe them?
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Should I accept Southern ADers's bias views, not both side between Northern and Southern ADers posts on Black slavery, Civil War and Confederate Flag history?

Perhap for you but not for me. I prefer to listen both sides between Northern and Southern ADers debate over Black slavery, Confederate Flag and Civil War history. :) I am open mind on both sides, not one side...
 
Texan Guy said:
Yes, it indeed is, however, we still need to respect the flag of Confederate for its history, heritage, pride, and blood.
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No we don't.

Jiro said:
this is not about priority or whatsoever. It's different issue. They wave both flags, ya know? :) Confederate Flag represents their heritage... USA flag represents the country. big difference.
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Heritage of what? Heritage of forcing thousands of slaves to work for them because they were too lazy to get off their ass to do the work, raping, whipping , and denying their slaves the right to a free education?

What a proudful heritage. NOT!

Thank God that is not part of my heritage. And for all I care--the Confederate flag should be burned and laid to rest.

Afterall--they lost the war 144 years ago. Those that are still trying to "revive" the Dixie flag to the American flag status have an ulterior and sinister motive which is to keep the hate alive as well as dwell on a lifestyle that they weren't even a part of it 144 years ago. :roll:
 
Maria said:
I can understand about heritage, southern pride, and redneck. But, I am talkin' about the USA flag's role is STILL important in people's lives. It stands for Freedom/Independence for everyone in the United States of America. :)

I have nothin' against the Confederate flag, if the southerners respect the USA flag that represented its freedom/independence for all races in America. I mean, not to be racists or anythin' like this against black people. Our former President Abraham Lincoln signed on papers to free the slave people. That was his purpose to role the USA flag for ALL. It also means that the black people can live the same rights as white -- regardless of their color skin.
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I never said confederate flag is our country flag, never said so far and don't like anyone to make assume to label me as racist or pro-CSA, also remember, I have heavily respect for USA, very patriotic but confederate flag has been part of our southern culture, it already nearly 150 years ago and USA is fully recognized, however there's case for some hispanics are protest about illegal immigrant reform and want CA and rest of southwest states to be under Mexico due long history about American-Mexican war in 1800's

I'm not big fan of confederate flag either but it's still part of southern culture, of course, heritage is included.

I don't like few of members who made bigot opinion and ignore them, you and Jiro aren't one of them and confederate flag will never banned for flying the flag, except for some public school, workplace and government buildings.
 
Byrdie714 said:
Heritage of what? Heritage of forcing thousands of slaves to work for them because they were too lazy to get off their ass to do the work, raping, whipping , and denying their slaves the right to a free education?

What a proudful heritage. NOT!

Thank God that is not part of my heritage. And for all I care--the Confederate flag should be burned and laid to rest.

Afterall--they lost the war 144 years ago. Those that are still trying to "revive" the Dixie flag to the American flag status have an ulterior and sinister motive which is to keep the hate alive as well as dwell on a lifestyle that they weren't even a part of it 144 years ago. :roll:
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I'm sorry but ever since the slaves were freed due to Emancipation Proclamation.... the life for black people didn't change (except slavery) until Martin Luther King. oh - this happened under USA Flag :roll:
 
Foxrac said:
I never said confederate flag is our country flag, never said so far and don't like anyone to make assume to label me as racist or pro-CSA, also remember, I have heavily respect for USA, very patriotic but confederate flag has been part of our southern culture, it already nearly 150 years ago and USA is fully recognized, however there's case for some hispanics are protest about illegal immigrant reform and want CA and rest of southwest states to be under Mexico due long history about American-Mexican war in 1800's

I know you never said that the Confederate flag is our country flag. I am just sayin' that AFTER I read Jolie's link, I shared my opinions. That's all. :)

I still respect you which flag you stand. I have my own share that I've seen some neighbors usin' their Confederate flag on the wall of their houses.

I'm not big fan of confederate flag either but it's still part of southern culture, of course, heritage is included.

I don't like few of members who made bigot opinion and ignore them, you and Jiro aren't one of them and confederate flag will never banned for flying the flag, except for some public school, workplace and government buildings.
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I can understand what you mean about bigot opinion and ignore them. It's why I brought up about history itself that could cause people some frictions with others because, of 2 different sides. People don't know the truth anymore which is even more sadder -- it is probably why there's some civil war goin' on in some states in between people. Protests, vandalism, and so forth.

I am wonderin' what President Obama thinks of Confederate flag since he laid his hand on our former President Abraham Lincoln's Bible to oath Presidency. :hmm: It's goin' to be very interestin' to see what he thinks/views since he himself is black.
 
Maria said:
I can understand what you mean about bigot opinion and ignore them. It's why I brought up about history itself that could cause people some frictions with others because, of 2 different sides. People don't know the truth anymore which is even more sadder -- it is probably why there's some civil war goin' on in some states in between people. Protests, vandalism, and so forth.

I am wonderin' what President Obama thinks of Confederate flag since he laid his hand on our former President Abraham Lincoln's Bible to oath Presidency. :hmm: It's goin' to be very interestin' to see what he thinks/views since he himself is black.
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Ok, I understand what you said.

Obama has met redneck/pro-southern group in MO and some other states and handshaking them, it would probably no position for confederate flag, it means don't have any opinion on it, except for knowledge of history.
http://rednecks4obama.com/
 
Maria said:
I can understand what you mean about bigot opinion and ignore them. It's why I brought up about history itself that could cause people some frictions with others because, of 2 different sides. People don't know the truth anymore which is even more sadder -- it is probably why there's some civil war goin' on in some states in between people. Protests, vandalism, and so forth.
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there is no one truth in this issue. It's not really about truth. This is an issue of social/cultural/political difference. Like I said - Northerners may view Confederate Flag as racist while Southerners view it as a heritage. Even Black Southerners wave Confederate Flag.

Maria said:
I am wonderin' what President Obama thinks of Confederate flag since he laid his hand on our former President Abraham Lincoln's Bible to oath Presidency. :hmm: It's goin' to be very interestin' to see what he thinks/views since he himself is black.
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I don't believe this has anything to do with races/black/slavery. Abraham Lincoln represents "the government of the people, by the people, for the people" (Gettysburg Address). and that's what Obama is trying to do. Our government has long been corrupted and overrun by corporations, shrewd politicians, etc to feed fat cats... Obama pledged an oath on Lincoln's Bible to remind & motivate people that it's time to take back the government.
 
Jiro said:
I'm sorry but ever since the slaves were freed due to Emancipation Proclamation.... the life for black people didn't change (except slavery) until Martin Luther King. oh - this happened under USA Flag :roll:
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Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation...

Click here to read a typewritten copy of the Emancipation Proclamation.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Emancipation_proclamation_typeset_signed.jpg

That, I got from those link...

Emancipation Proclamation and the Thirteenth Amendment

 
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