Cochlear program to give deaf children best start to life
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Where did I say that? I didn't say anything like that. The majority of parents I deal with will be hearing, but that doesn't mean the Deaf parents don't matter. If I said that the majority of the alphabet is consonants would that mean that the vowels don't matter?
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I know some Deaf parents do encourage their Deaf kids to have CI but they make sure that kids have Deaf culture while kids go to oral school.
TOD, if you are not an advocate with Deaf parents for the children, but only an advocate with deaf parents <which is the case if you remain unwilling to learn about and appreciate any Deaf perspective> , than you are leaving out Deaf parents and effectively continuing to do what has been going on for years and years regarding cultural genocide and disenfranchisement. You are saying that Deaf parents don't matter.
How so? If a Deaf parent chooses to put their child in a program where I work, they would be including in every single way. The school would provide interpreters, I would use the sign that I know to communicate informally, and their child would be treated exactly like every other child in the class. How would I be disenfranshising them?
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I'm butting in. I've only talked regularly and worked regularly with one adult who had a CI. I'm not sure how old he was when he was implanted, but going by his voice I'm going to say, not a baby, he's about 30 right now. He knows ASL, he was in my massage therapy class and had an interpreter. I ended up working with him a few years later. He would recommend CI, in fact he told me every time I saw him I should get one. Just saying. It's common knowledge Travis' CI failed. It's also common knowledge that you're anti CI.....so asking someone you know had a failed CI if they'd recommend is just to validate your own opinion, and isnt quite fair. There are a lot of members on here who are happy with theirs.
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Absolutely. I know several who worn CI when they were little and are quite happy with it. I also know a few who got CI when they were an adult and have quit using them. The same goes for hearing aids. There are successful examples and not so successful examples who do not benefit well at all with it.
I've been accused of being anti CI simply b/c I've pointed out that they work differently for different people. It really does seem like some people go on the attack if you even dare to suggest that they aren't as good as the advertising suggests......
It's almost exactly like the way some audilogically deaf children responded well (ie hoh level functioning) with HAs and some only got enviromental noises, back when aids were THE ANSWER!
It's almost exactly like the way some audilogically deaf children responded well (ie hoh level functioning) with HAs and some only got enviromental noises, back when aids were THE ANSWER!
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well, no Travis is one of the few "obvious fails", i was point out to him, that he has to Make up His mind, 'i respect blah blah, i see blah blah...isn't helping anyone, even nor helping him...and no, he was like 'reccomending it' - that's kinda embarrassing for himself..
surely there those happy with it, as the 'modern' 21st century society where everyone is re-arraanged by the fragmented lives, for example part time work is now very common and this changes not just time, but also how people saving their earnings and how they consume with it, but even more than that, its like technology connects for business but it separates people... ah this is getting messy now...same can be said for 'seeking support from others whose has success is used for validating their own opinions... LOL
yes, some wants to have it, when it 'becomes available to them later in life - due to technology changes and 'opportunity'...there are many deaf people in the borderlines of cultural and audiological sphere (crap i hate English... but - id try say it) can be unwittingly be practicing audism, and or are passive-towards the dominant mode of ideological comformity (passive audism) in a way they confuse themselves to think if they get close enough to be with hearing people then they are 'like hearing people' but strive for a long time, so its not how much they 'hear' or not , or 'how much they understand the hearing world or not' it is more like avoidance of 'shame' or avoidance of 'low standards' as would have them to perceive it. To me, that's weird, its like 'hating themselves for being deaf'... so like why try be something that you can be, but many do, because if you can't be, then you can 'fake it' even with 'fake hearing' yes that's what CI is, its LOUD but unnatural, its so close to 'normal hearing levels' but you're STILL going to be treated like a deaf person, no matter where you go...I can't see the point of this pretence. For all this money, time, efforts and obsession to perfect the art of hearing and speaking, can't I just be Me? that's the question, OK im not a full fledge fluent signer of anything, nor a full fledged fluent English-speaker either...
I concerns that many CI-users have suppression are going to be long-lasting and its quite strange...even...um...pathetic...its like women should wear high heels, what for? whats the all the hype??, same goes for guys with Lamborghini cars, what for? you see...values are socially-constructed, its not real, it is imagined and it is a lot to do with conceived statuses...same thing with 'hearing more' its conceived 'betterment' fine if you were hearing...but some of us haven't missed it, and the argument from Deaf community leaders (fading out in some ways)...says, all this pressure of following isn't healthy, there is no relaxing, no humility, and no time out to be what is real, you cant fake deafness, hearings can try, but deafies dont have to, same way for the hearing people, deafies can try, but hearing dont have to. This 'don't have to' is like no pressure to be something else you're not.
that's all
It is a "truism" that Cochlear Implants DON"T work for everyone.
aside: Pointed before-Sunnybrook/Toronto experience since 1984. Examined 3000 adults for consideration of which 2000 were refused for a number of reasons. Of the 1000 implanted 18 didn't benefit after being activated. Statistics to early this year.
Whether similar results in other centres-unknown to me.
Exactly how one can get "involved" re Cochlear Implant consideration without going to a Audiology department-unknown to me.
Aside: I triggered all the appointments way back in 2006/07 re "consideration" for an Implant. I also knew I would eventually become bilateral DEAF since February 1992. Almost 15 years
Of couse the above is not exactly what happens to babies born DEAF-very different procedures.
I have noted before- if one DOES NOT want to be considered why make an appointment in the first place with ENT?
To clarify: if one wants their ears checked-other than for consideration re; Implants-say so.
In my experieince NO doctor every said-I should consider an Implant. In actual fact when asked IF an Implant MIGHT be useful for me; the doctor said- no advantage to me. That was before I became bilateral DEAF. aside: The doctor mentioned above was on holidays 2007 and was examined by the head of the department. In the hearing test exceeded 105 db-"deafness". Thus the request for consideration at Sunnybrook/Toronto. Successful-6 years ago.
Reread the second sentence RE: only 1 out of 3 are ACTUALLY suitable for Cochlear Implant. Obviously what happened to the other 2000 at Sunnybrook/Toronto ?
Seems reality is a bit different-everyone SHOULD be implanted.
Again the actual situation in other centers?
The website is Alldeaf.com and I am bilateral DEAF since December 20, 2006. That fact will never change. I have never pretended I am "hearing"- I have had "hearing loss" over 50 years.
aside: Pointed before-Sunnybrook/Toronto experience since 1984. Examined 3000 adults for consideration of which 2000 were refused for a number of reasons. Of the 1000 implanted 18 didn't benefit after being activated. Statistics to early this year.
Whether similar results in other centres-unknown to me.
Exactly how one can get "involved" re Cochlear Implant consideration without going to a Audiology department-unknown to me.
Aside: I triggered all the appointments way back in 2006/07 re "consideration" for an Implant. I also knew I would eventually become bilateral DEAF since February 1992. Almost 15 years
Of couse the above is not exactly what happens to babies born DEAF-very different procedures.
I have noted before- if one DOES NOT want to be considered why make an appointment in the first place with ENT?
To clarify: if one wants their ears checked-other than for consideration re; Implants-say so.
In my experieince NO doctor every said-I should consider an Implant. In actual fact when asked IF an Implant MIGHT be useful for me; the doctor said- no advantage to me. That was before I became bilateral DEAF. aside: The doctor mentioned above was on holidays 2007 and was examined by the head of the department. In the hearing test exceeded 105 db-"deafness". Thus the request for consideration at Sunnybrook/Toronto. Successful-6 years ago.
Reread the second sentence RE: only 1 out of 3 are ACTUALLY suitable for Cochlear Implant. Obviously what happened to the other 2000 at Sunnybrook/Toronto ?
Seems reality is a bit different-everyone SHOULD be implanted.
Again the actual situation in other centers?
The website is Alldeaf.com and I am bilateral DEAF since December 20, 2006. That fact will never change. I have never pretended I am "hearing"- I have had "hearing loss" over 50 years.
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oh come on, deaf people DO go to ENT, for ear check ups, infections, Wax just like anyone else, probably more so than hearing people because of ear molds, it is the ENT people who does the nagging about 'are you interested in Cochlear implants?' (we say no) then next visit they will say "have you thought about it ?" it goes on and on...
to me, that's unethical but they do this anyway
why you may ask?
well its a hospital, or ear clinic, an institution which reflect society's establish 'normal' view (anything else is not tolerated or barely - they just label us as 'fails' or whatever..)...for them it is more about upholding the medical standards, well ableism...(google that word)...it is their wish to eradicate Deafness altogether...(including Deaf culture, or Deaf lives, including this website!!)..
so...why do you visit this website??
you're hearing right ? no, you're not hearing but you'd like to pretend to be hearing right?..i dunno...
what do you think
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As for a DEAF person not wanting to "discuss" the reason with the ENT doctor for not wanting to be Implanted just duly" say so- or write". Just advise the purpose of the examination re: potential ear infection etc.
aside: just how many ear infections one has?
Presumably one can go to another ENT doctor. Also, I understand not ALL ENT doctors can operate installing the Internal processr.
Additional clarity
aside: just how many ear infections one has?
Presumably one can go to another ENT doctor. Also, I understand not ALL ENT doctors can operate installing the Internal processr.
Additional clarity
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if they say no, then that should be respected, no further information is required. why should deaf people have to explain themselves? that's power at play...not appropriate
...medical people should learn to back off...but it is difficult for this to occur well mainly because of too much power an institution possess, which is 'granted' by society...but at that, this is where the 'problem' comes from...norms...oh forget it its something not understood by many...
...medical people should learn to back off...but it is difficult for this to occur well mainly because of too much power an institution possess, which is 'granted' by society...but at that, this is where the 'problem' comes from...norms...oh forget it its something not understood by many...
there a unit part of one of the London hospitals for young deaf people who depressed and have issues largely due to being forced into oral rather than signing the CI caused lots of expectations from families and because the child could not be what parents wished these kids got lifetime of issues
Presumably the fact that one is DEAF would be in their medical file indicating- declined Cochlear Implant consideration.
Thus the discussion would be reduntant. Not sure if that DEAF person is Voice Off while consulting with the doctor- now?
Thus the discussion would be reduntant. Not sure if that DEAF person is Voice Off while consulting with the doctor- now?
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Why doesn't that surprise me?