Cochlear implant mends lives

[jillio]

Jillo,
You said that I haven't answer some questins that you posted please tell what questions. As I mention before I have been part of the team during the pre-implant stage but I would love to give you or Shel the e-mail of the educational consultant that is part of the team everytime a child gets implant that way you get information direct from the implant center, if you really want answers or just want to argue your point.

Scroll back through and you will see any number of questions yuu have failded to answer. The most recent that comes to mind is, Aren't you a certified teacher, and as such don't you have to attend in-service as part of continued certification?

 

[rick48]

Like I said, you brought it up--you provide the verification.

Jackie,

You got your answer: it just to argue a point.

 

[shel90]

Now that I am aware of this ...means the families who dont speak English at home are not giving their children the support so what do I say to them if they want to keep Spanish at home because it is their right even thought the child already has a CI?

Should I tell them that they must use English not their native languages with their children? Where do u draw the line cuz it is the familys' right to use whatever language they want at the home?

I always encouraged them to go ahead and speak Spanish to their chidlren cuz I thought the purpose of the CI was to improve auditory listening skills but I guess I was wrong. Oh well..

The implant center wont implant children if their parents are not willing to use English with them...suppose they say they will and the child gets implanted but they end up not using English anyway? I think for me, that's where it is sticky.

This concept is totally new to me so pls bear with me if I question it..I am trying to learn, ok?

 

[jillio]

Jackie,

You got your answer: it just to argue a point.

:roll:

 

[jillio]

Now that I am aware of this ...means the families who dont speak English at home are not giving their children the support so what do I say to them if they want to keep Spanish at home because it is their right even thought the child already has a CI?

Should I tell them that they must use English not their native languages with their children? Where do u draw the line cuz it is the familys' right to use whatever language they want at the home?

I always encouraged them to go ahead and speak Spanish to their chidlren cuz I thought the purpose of the CI was to improve auditory listening skills but I guess I was wrong. Oh well..

The implant center wont implant children if their parents are not willing to use English with them...suppose they say they will and the child gets implanted but they end up not using English anyway? I think for me, that's where it is sticky.

This concept is totally new to me so pls bear with me if I question it..I am trying to learn, ok?

I would tell parents that they are entitled to use whatever language they wish with their child in the home environment. Its thier child and thier right to do as they wish with that child. After all, isn't that The argument that those who chose to implant and use oral English only in the home use? If its a valid reason for them, then its a valid reason for all families. Ironic, huh?

 

[shel90]

I would tell parents that they are entitled to use whatever language they wish with their child in the home environment. Its thier child and thier right to do as they wish with that child. After all, isn't that The argument that those who chose to implant and use oral English only in the home use? If its a valid reason for them, then its a valid reason for all families. Ironic, huh?

True and they keep saying it is their child so they have a right to implant them which I am all for it so the same rights should apply to families that dont speak English at the home. Now, that I think about it..it is wrong to deny children CIs because the families dont know English but are willing to work with them using their own native languages. It baffled me at first and I was working on seeing from all points of views but u know what? If they say they have the right on how to raise their children however they see fit then Spanish or other speaking families have the right to do the same and should have the same rights for their children to get CIs.

 

[rick48]

:roll:

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[jillio]

Thanks for proving my point.

Again, and your point would be........? BTW, made that donation to St. Rita School for the Deaf yet?

 

[jillio]

True and they keep saying it is their child so they have a right to implant them which I am all for it so the same rights should apply to families that dont speak English at the home. Now, that I think about it..it is wrong to deny children CIs because the families dont know English but are willing to work with them using their own native languages. It baffled me at first and I was working on seeing from all points of views but u know what? If they say they have the right on how to raise their children however they see fit then Spanish or other speaking families have the right to do the same and should have the same rights for their children to get CIs.

BINGO! If they want that right, then they must extend it to everyone else as well.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

Scroll back through and you will see any number of questions yuu have failded to answer. The most recent that comes to mind is, Aren't you a certified teacher, and as such don't you have to attend in-service as part of continued certification?

Jillo, I did answer this question on July 19, on the other thread about my daughter's due process case. I am pasting what I told you, if you have any further question please feel to ask.


Originally Posted by jillio
You're a certified teacher of the deaf. Don't you have to attend in-service? And, yeah, there's grant money out there to fund the programs. What the hell do the other high schools do for their signing students. If they have CART available for the oral students, why not for the signing students. Unless of course, they are oral programs.

Yes, I have to attend several in-services a year. Most of them are not directly related to the population of students that I work with. I find on my own different workshops and conferences that are directly related to my field. I am very lucky that my school district supports me in my quest to gain greater knowledge in my field. Last year my SD paid the conference fee for me to attend a week long training in Canada. I paid for airfare and hotel. I am currently being mentor by a cert AVT, my school gives me the time I need to observe her. I am also on a committee that just deals with cochlear implants students and providing trainings to other teachers that have cochlear implant students. These things I seek out my district does not make me attend them but they do support me and pay for most of the fees. I have friends who also attend these conferences but they have to pay for all these fees themselves.
In my area, what schools do for their signing high schools students is provide them an interpeter. They will not provide CART but I am hoping once our case is settle these students will be able to also get CART. There is a high school in Orange County that was able to provide CART and an interpeter through a grant from RIT but that grant is over. That school is now providing an interpeter and I think it is C-print. But it is very rare for a school to do both.
They do provide CART for all Oral students. In most school districts they have to fight for it. The only school district they do not need to fight for it is Los Angeles USD. There the only thing they need is for the student to be fully mainstream and to be able to read close to grade level.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

Now that I am aware of this ...means the families who dont speak English at home are not giving their children the support so what do I say to them if they want to keep Spanish at home because it is their right even thought the child already has a CI?

If you are serious about answering these questions I would be more then happy to give you some help on what I have done in the past. What I would do is tell the parent that they do not need to stop talking Spanish or whatever other language but someone in the home needs to speak in whatever language they use at school. An example would be that mom speaks in the language taught at school and everybody else can speak Spanish. It is there right to speak whatever language they want at home but if they want to help their child need someone needs to focus on the language of the school.

Should I tell them that they must use English not their native languages with their children? Where do u draw the line cuz it is the familys' right to use whatever language they want at the home?

You are right it there right. But I would explain how if they want to help their child then someone in the home needs to speak to the CI child with the language from school. I would explain that there many other ways of instilling their culture with their child. There are some parents that will not make the changes that their child needs. As long as I know that I did everything I could for that family then that is all I can do.

I always encouraged them to go ahead and speak Spanish to their chidlren cuz I thought the purpose of the CI was to improve auditory listening skills but I guess I was wrong. Oh well..

The implant center wont implant children if their parents are not willing to use English with them...suppose they say they will and the child gets implanted but they end up not using English anyway? I think for me, that's where it is sticky.

It is sticky, and as educators we do our best and know that we can't do it all.

This concept is totally new to me so pls bear with me if I question it..I am trying to learn, ok?

It's OK. I am not saying that the family has to completely drop the second language, I am just saying that someone needs to be able to support the child with the language that is being taught in school. We are no longer able to teach in any other language and that is big difference between the US and Europe. And I am not saying that the US is right, I am saying I do the best I can in the country I live in. In Europe, most people speak not only 2 language but more then that. When my father passed away he knew 6 languages. He learn Spanish once he got to US and it was very easy for him because of all the other languages he knew.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

I would tell parents that they are entitled to use whatever language they wish with their child in the home environment. Its thier child and thier right to do as they wish with that child. After all, isn't that The argument that those who chose to implant and use oral English only in the home use? If its a valid reason for them, then its a valid reason for all families. Ironic, huh?

So you are saying that these parents have the right to use whatever language they want but how many times have you bash me and others because we use oral language with our children.
What I am saying is that yes parents can use whatever language they want but if they want their child to develop oral language with a CI there are some things that need to be in place if a child is going to develop oral language with a CI.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

True and they keep saying it is their child so they have a right to implant them which I am all for it so the same rights should apply to families that dont speak English at the home. Now, that I think about it..it is wrong to deny children CIs because the families dont know English but are willing to work with them using their own native languages. It baffled me at first and I was working on seeing from all points of views but u know what? If they say they have the right on how to raise their children however they see fit then Spanish or other speaking families have the right to do the same and should have the same rights for their children to get CIs.

There are implant centers that do not do as through job as others. So don't worry if a parent really wants to implant their child they will. And those parents that do not support their CI kids are the ones that you are always talking about the kids that do not have success with CIs.

 

[jillio]

Jillo, I did answer this question on July 19, on the other thread about my daughter's due process case. I am pasting what I told you, if you have any further question please feel to ask.


Originally Posted by jillio
You're a certified teacher of the deaf. Don't you have to attend in-service? And, yeah, there's grant money out there to fund the programs. What the hell do the other high schools do for their signing students. If they have CART available for the oral students, why not for the signing students. Unless of course, they are oral programs.

Yes, I have to attend several in-services a year. Most of them are not directly related to the population of students that I work with. I find on my own different workshops and conferences that are directly related to my field. I am very lucky that my school district supports me in my quest to gain greater knowledge in my field. Last year my SD paid the conference fee for me to attend a week long training in Canada. I paid for airfare and hotel. I am currently being mentor by a cert AVT, my school gives me the time I need to observe her. I am also on a committee that just deals with cochlear implants students and providing trainings to other teachers that have cochlear implant students. These things I seek out my district does not make me attend them but they do support me and pay for most of the fees. I have friends who also attend these conferences but they have to pay for all these fees themselves.
In my area, what schools do for their signing high schools students is provide them an interpeter. They will not provide CART but I am hoping once our case is settle these students will be able to also get CART. There is a high school in Orange County that was able to provide CART and an interpeter through a grant from RIT but that grant is over. That school is now providing an interpeter and I think it is C-print. But it is very rare for a school to do both.
They do provide CART for all Oral students. In most school districts they have to fight for it. The only school district they do not need to fight for it is Los Angeles USD. There the only thing they need is for the student to be fully mainstream and to be able to read close to grade level.

And you don't see aproblem with in-service and seminars for continued liscensure that is not directed at the population you serve? And if CART is provided for oral deaf students, not to provide it for signing deaf students violates not only the ADA but the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Called discrimination.

 

[jillio]

There are implant centers that do not do as through job as others. So don't worry if a parent really wants to implant their child they will. And those parents that do not support their CI kids are the ones that you are always talking about the kids that do not have success with CIs.

You have completely missed the point.

 

[shel90]

So you are saying that these parents have the right to use whatever language they want but how many times have you bash me and others because we use oral language with our children.
What I am saying is that yes parents can use whatever language they want but if they want their child to develop oral language with a CI there are some things that need to be in place if a child is going to develop oral language with a CI.

Jillo is not talking about the use of oral language at home. It is encouraged but she is referring to the oral only approach in the educational setting that she is arguing with u and others about.

Like, why put the kids in an oral only educational setting when the parents can provide the oral language at home? What's wrong with having a balance of both? Use oral/signing in the school and oral only (if the parents are more comfortable or prefers to AND if the child has oral skills) in the home?

In the educational setting, so many concepts and skills are being taught so for deaf children to miss out on any while their hearing counterparts dont is not really fair to the deaf/hoh children. I know u say that the CART will solve the problems but it really depends on how fast the deaf person can read. Some are slow readers while others read fast so will it solve all the problems?

 

[jillio]

Jillo is not talking about the use of oral language at home. It is encouraged but she is referring to the oral only approach in the educational setting that she is arguing with u and others about.

Like, why put the kids in an oral only educational setting when the parents can provide the oral language at home? What's wrong with having a balance of both? Use oral/signing in the school and oral only (if the parents are more comfortable or prefers to AND if the child has oral skills) in the home?

In the educational setting, so many concepts and skills are being taught so for deaf children to miss out on any while their hearing counterparts dont is not really fair to the deaf/hoh children. I know u say that the CART will solve the problems but it really depends on how fast the deaf person can read. Some are slow readers while others read fast so will it solve all the problems?

Exactly! CART provides access towhat is being taught inthe classroom, but it does not provide access to language. Without access to language, literacy rates will not improve. And since the oralists always bring up the pointthat the average deaf child reads at or below a 5th grade level, howis it that they will be able to get information from CART? You have to understand the concept represented by the word for it to be of any use.

 

[jillio]

It's OK. I am not saying that the family has to completely drop the second language, I am just saying that someone needs to be able to support the child with the language that is being taught in school. We are no longer able to teach in any other language and that is big difference between the US and Europe. And I am not saying that the US is right, I am saying I do the best I can in the country I live in. In Europe, most people speak not only 2 language but more then that. When my father passed away he knew 6 languages. He learn Spanish once he got to US and it was very easy for him because of all the other languages he knew.

Someone please explain to me how it is that CODAS are able to pick up spoken English when the only language input they have at home is sign? Or how children of Spanish speaking, or Japanese speaking, or Hungarian speaking families become fluent in English when all they heard spoken at home is a native language of the parent? THROUGH THE EDUCATIONAL ENVIRONMENT AND THROUGH SOCIALIZATION, THAT'S HOW! The same applies here.

 

[neecy]

Someone please explain to me how it is that CODAS are able to pick up spoken English when the only language input they have at home is sign? Or how children of Spanish speaking, or Japanese speaking, or Hungarian speaking families become fluent in English when all they heard spoken at home is a native language of the parent? THROUGH THE EDUCATIONAL ENVIRONMENT AND THROUGH SOCIALIZATION, THAT'S HOW! The same applies here.

They're BORN hearing Jillo - big difference, when comparing to somebody learning how to hear with a CI. CODA's can hear the television, hear the radio, listen to music - understand what other people are saying when they go to the store, etc.

The support at home is a necessity, especially for small children who aren't in school yet - how much socialization with english speaking people do you think a child if their parents only spoke another language at home? Chances are the parent's friends would all speak that language too.

 

[shel90]

They're BORN hearing Jillo - big difference, when comparing to somebody learning how to hear with a CI. CODA's can hear the television, hear the radio, listen to music - understand what other people are saying when they go to the store, etc.

The support at home is a necessity, especially for small children who aren't in school yet - how much socialization with english speaking people do you think a child if their parents only spoke another language at home? Chances are the parent's friends would all speak that language too.

I thought the CIs enabled deaf children to hear just as well?

So u are saying that children learning to hear with a CI needs language taught to them directly?