Cochlear implant mends lives

jackiesolorzano said:
The difference is that at school in the US Spanish is not allowed. Now as I explain before as long as there is someone in the home to support what is going on at school then the child should be OK. Think about it, the child goes to school say 6 hours day. Then comes home and no one speaks English in the home then there is no one to support that child.
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I guess I am having a hard time understanding that cuz simply because there is nobody in the children's homes that can speak the English language therefore they are not able to give support to their children. My ex husband came from a Spanish speaking only family and didnt know English until he went to kindergarten at the age of 5 and because he had a strong L1 in Spanish, he was able to pick up English easily at school from the teachers and his peers. So..that wont work for a deaf child who has CIs?

If the family is not supportive at all whether they speak English or not, then I understand but suppose the family is but so slow to learn English or feels strongly to keep Spanish to be spoken in the home for cultural values and are able to provide the auditory input using Spanish for the children with CIs or HAs, arent they being supportive but just in a different language?

That is where I am confused cuz before u joined this forum, I got bashed by other CI supporters about how all deaf children should be provided whatever opportunities they can including getting CIs whether the child and they tell me that by not giving them a CI, I am denying them the option to be able to develop better listening skills from a young age.

It started out with my asking Cloggy this cuz his daughter is hearing different languages at home and according to him, she is able to handle them well so...:dunno:
 
jackiesolorzano said:
The reason it has to be English is because that is the only language allowed in the US. Yes of course Spanish is an auditory language and if the child was being educated in a Spanish speaking country then there would be no problem.
You also mention once how hard of a time your brother has with Spanish speaking parents. That those students he has do not have the same success as the students who parents learn sign language it is the same concept. The students who learning sign language at school and have parents who sign at home have generally much more success in school because their families are able to support them in the language that they are learning at school.
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Oh..those families that my brother has a hard time with are the ones that do not interact with their deaf kids in any shape or form at all. I will have to ask my brother if any of those kids have CIs.

I had a student with whose parents are able to speak some English but use Spanish at all times in the home cuz they said they are more comfortable with using it. So, I didnt know that there was a criteria for the families to be fluent in English for the children to be qualified. It was just new to me...
 
jackiesolorzano said:
R2D2, You are so right. Shel is taking the information I gave her out of contest. She is just taking bits of information but she is not receiving or wanting to understand the entire message.
I think it would be such a great idea to contact an implant center. If you want I would be more then happy provide the e-mail to the educational liaison at House Ear.
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Jackie,

That's a great idea then they could verify it for themselves.


Rick
 
rick48 said:
Well, well, well now if that is not pot calling the kettle black! Ah the irony!
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The only time I have brought my son into any discussion on this forum since first joining and explaining my reasons for being here is when I have been asked a direct question and have responded. If you will recall--as it seems to be so difficult for you to do--I speak of the students I work with, not my son. He is perfectly capable of speaking for himself.

And, please, rick, stop parroting my words. Given your obvious opinion of your own wit, I would think you could come up with soemthing original. Likewise, if you are going to quote me, do not take my words out of context, because I said much more in my post that qualifies the statements you have taken out of context. But then I suppose, oralist that you are, you thinkthat repetition of another's words is actually communication.
 
shel90 said:
I guess I am having a hard time understanding that cuz simply because there is nobody in the children's homes that can speak the English language therefore they are not able to give support to their children. My ex husband came from a Spanish speaking only family and didnt know English until he went to kindergarten at the age of 5 and because he had a strong L1 in Spanish, he was able to pick up English easily at school from the teachers and his peers. So..that wont work for a deaf child who has CIs?

If the family is not supportive at all whether they speak English or not, then I understand but suppose the family is but so slow to learn English or feels strongly to keep Spanish to be spoken in the home for cultural values and are able to provide the auditory input using Spanish for the children with CIs or HAs, arent they being supportive but just in a different language?

That is where I am confused cuz before u joined this forum, I got bashed by other CI supporters about how all deaf children should be provided whatever opportunities they can including getting CIs whether the child and they tell me that by not giving them a CI, I am denying them the option to be able to develop better listening skills from a young age.

It started out with my asking Cloggy this cuz his daughter is hearing different languages at home and according to him, she is able to handle them well so...:dunno:
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:gpost::gpost::gpost:
 
rick48 said:
Jackie,

That's a great idea then they could verify it for themselves.


Rick
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Jackie is the one who made that comment about that issue not me...I am questioning it.
 
MAN LOTS OF YOU HAVE LOTS OF TIME ON YOUR HAND TO POST THE LINK!

http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-news/ that's where the article is!

Here you go Jag.. man those ladies doesn't get it when you asked for a LINK!

Boy, you had all the time in the world to copy the url! you see the numbers in each post has a link where you can click and it will pop up a box with url in it for you to copy it!
 
Boult said:
MAN LOTS OF YOU HAVE LOTS OF TIME ON YOUR HAND TO POST THE LINK!

http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-news/ that's where the article is!

Here you go Jag.. man those ladies doesn't get it when you asked for a LINK!

Boy, you had all the time in the world to copy the url! you see the numbers in each post has a link where you can click and it will pop up a box with url in it for you to copy it!
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It is a very LOOOOONNNNGGGG thread..
 
Boult said:
MAN LOTS OF YOU HAVE LOTS OF TIME ON YOUR HAND TO POST THE LINK!

http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-news/ that's where the article is!

Here you go Jag.. man those ladies doesn't get it when you asked for a LINK!

Boy, you had all the time in the world to copy the url! you see the numbers in each post has a link where you can click and it will pop up a box with url in it for you to copy it!
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Well aren't you just the technological wizard?
 
shel90 said:
I guess I am having a hard time understanding that cuz simply because there is nobody in the children's homes that can speak the English language therefore they are not able to give support to their children. My ex husband came from a Spanish speaking only family and didnt know English until he went to kindergarten at the age of 5 and because he had a strong L1 in Spanish, he was able to pick up English easily at school from the teachers and his peers. So..that wont work for a deaf child who has CIs?

If the family is not supportive at all whether they speak English or not, then I understand but suppose the family is but so slow to learn English or feels strongly to keep Spanish to be spoken in the home for cultural values and are able to provide the auditory input using Spanish for the children with CIs or HAs, arent they being supportive but just in a different language?

The point is the child has already lost time hearing and if the parent cannot support them in the language that is being taught in school then it would be so hard for that child to catch up.

That is where I am confused cuz before u joined this forum, I got bashed by other CI supporters about how all deaf children should be provided whatever opportunities they can including getting CIs whether the child and they tell me that by not giving them a CI, I am denying them the option to be able to develop better listening skills from a young age.

It started out with my asking Cloggy this cuz his daughter is hearing different languages at home and according to him, she is able to handle them well so...:dunno:
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Just like your ex-husband, I also did not learn English until preschool. But the difference is that he and I are hearing and have been hearing since birth.
What I saying is not that the family cannot teach the kid with a CI another language but that someone at home needs to be there to support the child with the language that is being taught in school. For the parents that are slow to learn English, this can work out well where both child and parent are learning English at same time if the parent is motivated to learn with their child. There is also many other ways to teach our children about our culture and history. When my children were young we took a trip to Mexico. We went the captiol and pyramids. I taught them how to be proud of who they are and where they come from.
By using Cloggy as an example is not really fair since he and his family live in a different country. I am talking about kids getting implant in the US. I have seen quite a few kids that have not the success they could have had with their implant because no one is at home that can support that child. Or the parents that get their child implant because they think it is a miracle, they think that they can just put the implant and that is all they have to do.
 
shel90 said:
Oh..those families that my brother has a hard time with are the ones that do not interact with their deaf kids in any shape or form at all. I will have to ask my brother if any of those kids have CIs.

I had a student with whose parents are able to speak some English but use Spanish at all times in the home cuz they said they are more comfortable with using it. So, I didnt know that there was a criteria for the families to be fluent in English for the children to be qualified. It was just new to me...
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I never said a family has to be fluent in English. If a family was not fluent but was willing to learn English with their child that could work well if they were committed to it.
 
jillio said:
Jackie is the one that made the statement--let her support her own arguments--if she can.
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I would be more then happy to provide Jillo or Shel the e-mail address to the educational consultant at House Ear. Just let me know I would be happy PM you.
 
Jillo,
You said that I haven't answer some questins that you posted please tell what questions. As I mention before I have been part of the team during the pre-implant stage but I would love to give you or Shel the e-mail of the educational consultant that is part of the team everytime a child gets implant that way you get information direct from the implant center, if you really want answers or just want to argue your point.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
I would be more then happy to provide Jillo or Shel the e-mail address to the educational consultant at House Ear. Just let me know I would be happy PM you.
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Like I said, you brought it up--you provide the verification.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
Just like your ex-husband, I also did not learn English until preschool. But the difference is that he and I are hearing and have been hearing since birth.
What I saying is not that the family cannot teach the kid with a CI another language but that someone at home needs to be there to support the child with the language that is being taught in school. For the parents that are slow to learn English, this can work out well where both child and parent are learning English at same time if the parent is motivated to learn with their child. There is also many other ways to teach our children about our culture and history. When my children were young we took a trip to Mexico. We went the captiol and pyramids. I taught them how to be proud of who they are and where they come from.
By using Cloggy as an example is not really fair since he and his family live in a different country. I am talking about kids getting implant in the US. I have seen quite a few kids that have not the success they could have had with their implant because no one is at home that can support that child. Or the parents that get their child implant because they think it is a miracle, they think that they can just put the implant and that is all they have to do.
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Doesn't matter at all if cloggy and his family live in another country. Speaking ANT two languages is bilingualism. It is not just English and another language.
 
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