Cochlear implant mends lives

shel90 said:
Learned in another thread from another AD member that the CI center in California rejects deaf children if their families dont speak English...what do u think of that? Lotte is proof that it doesnt matter what language the child is exposed to, she can pick up on a few different oral languages. Just curious what u think of a CI center denying children to get CIs simply because their families dont speak English?
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Maybe they're illegal aliens. Who knows.
 
shel90 said:
Learned in another thread from another AD member that the CI center in California rejects deaf children if their families dont speak English...what do u think of that? Lotte is proof that it doesnt matter what language the child is exposed to, she can pick up on a few different oral languages. Just curious what u think of a CI center denying children to get CIs simply because their families dont speak English?
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How is the family going to support the child when the child learns english, but they do not know the language?
Why don't they know English - does that tell something about motivation to learn english, and about the motivation to work with their child..

You provide only little information... why don't you provide more info, and start a thread about it...
 
jag said:
Maybe they're illegal aliens. Who knows.
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Read the thread "District files appeal against deaf students" It clearly states that if the parents dont learn English, the child will not get a CI because of no spoken English at the home. It doesnt make sense to me cuz I thought the purpose of the CI was for the child to aquire a spoken language..didnt know it must be the English language. I was just wondering what Cloggy thought of it since in his country, I guess a spoken language preference is not a criteria to get a CI?
 
Cloggy said:
How is the family going to support the child when the child learns english, but they do not know the language?
Why don't they know English - does that tell something about motivation to learn english, and about the motivation to work with their child..

You provide only little information... why don't you provide more info, and start a thread about it...
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Read thru "District files appeal against Deaf student"..another AD member brought it up so that was new to me. I didnt know it mattered which language was spoken at the home as long as it was spoken. So, that would be like saying a child from a deaf family who uses sign language only at home would be denied a CI? Just asking since u are all the experts on what goes on in the CI centers.
 
shel90 said:
Read thru "District files appeal against Deaf student"..another AD member brought it up so that was new to me. I didnt know it mattered which language was spoken at the home as long as it was spoken. So, that would be like saying a child from a deaf family who uses sign language only at home would be denied a CI? Just asking since u are all the experts on what goes on in the CI centers.
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ERxactly. And the family would support the child inlearning English inthe same way that a hearing childis supported in learning a second language. That's like saying a child whose family is a native Spanish speaking family cannot attend school in America.
 
Cloggy said:
How is the family going to support the child when the child learns english, but they do not know the language?
Why don't they know English - does that tell something about motivation to learn english, and about the motivation to work with their child..

You provide only little information... why don't you provide more info, and start a thread about it...
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And why is English the all important factor here. Is it now that not just spoken language is superior, but spoken English?
 
Cloggy said:
And I appreciate your efforts...
But I guess some people think they can read through the lines but only read what they want to read.....

At the moment we're on holiday in Holland. Lotte is enjoying her stay, playing with the other children in the neighbourhood. That's the advantage of her knowing Norwegian and Dutch... she just continues chatting away, and plenty of people who will listen to her.... (and she has lots to tell....)

I can imagine how that would be had she only known Norwegian sign.... People would have had a hard time understanding her... not knowing sign, let alone Norwegian sign.
We would have had to accompany her everywhere... whereas now, she just goes across the street and plays, talking to everyone who wants to listen...

I'm sure there must be some really audist attitude with lots of negative things in this post, but I'll let Killio explain all that in her sophisticated ways...

Again, thanks Neecy...
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Thought you said in your blog that people outside of the family still had difficulty understanding Lotte's spoken language, including her teachers.
 
jillio said:
Thought you said in your blog that people outside of the family still had difficulty understanding Lotte's spoken language, including her teachers.
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As with any child that has heard for two years.... what's your point...??? (as if there needs to be one,...)
 
shel90 said:
Read the thread "District files appeal against deaf students" It clearly states that if the parents dont learn English, the child will not get a CI because of no spoken English at the home. It doesnt make sense to me cuz I thought the purpose of the CI was for the child to aquire a spoken language..didnt know it must be the English language. I was just wondering what Cloggy thought of it since in his country, I guess a spoken language preference is not a criteria to get a CI?
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HOw am I goint to follow Norwegian sign classes when I don't speak norwegian.
 
Cloggy said:
HOw am I goint to follow Norwegian sign classes when I don't speak norwegian.
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This has nothing to do with Norwegian sign language..never mind..it is not a big deal.
 
Cloggy said:
As with any child that has heard for two years.... what's your point...??? (as if there needs to be one,...)
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You made the point, not me. You're the one that said Lotte was able to play with all these different children, and speak to them and they understood her. And, that it would not have been possible without CI.
 
shel90 said:
Read the thread "District files appeal against deaf students" It clearly states that if the parents dont learn English, the child will not get a CI because of no spoken English at the home. It doesnt make sense to me cuz I thought the purpose of the CI was for the child to aquire a spoken language..didnt know it must be the English language. I was just wondering what Cloggy thought of it since in his country, I guess a spoken language preference is not a criteria to get a CI?
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LINK? I am not going on a wild goose chase to find the place you're talking about. Did that once and the more 'valid' proof contained no links to the abstracts listed in the article, so was no more valid (actually less valid) then the abstracts listed on studies done on children with CI's.

I know it's not a popular opinion with some people but I do not believe that people who are here illegally should get more then emergency medical care. That's why I stated is the child a citizen or legal immigrant? CA have many many more illegals then other states, tho that seems to be changing. Lest you think I'm anti immigration, not so. (i would also hazard a guess that the state of CA is having to find reasons to put ration health care because the illegal immigrants are putting hugh stress on the money available to help the disadvantaged in that state, money does not grow on trees and they've been losing alot of emergency rooms because of the number of people using them for free care)

Of course Mexico does have free medical care so if the child is a Mexican citizen then the child could get the implant there for free. No? Also if the child has a duel citizenship I would think the child could go to Mexico and use the 'excellent' medical care that's free. No?

Of course all that is another argument. From a co worker who was a Mexican citizen many of the people do their best to NOT use the free care at hospitals. She told me of a neighbor begging for money when he hadn't saved enough up yet when his wife went into labor. Funny that they are poor but try to avoid using the excellent care that's 'free'. :)
 
shel90 said:
This has nothing to do with Norwegian sign language..never mind..it is not a big deal.
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Just keeps trying to muddy up the topic to keep from addressing the real issue. That's the only tactic he has left.
 
jag said:
LINK? I am not going on a wild goose chase to find the place you're talking about. Did that once and the more 'valid' proof contained no links to the abstracts listed in the article, so was no more valid (actually less valid) then the abstracts listed on studies done on children with CI's.

I know it's not a popular opinion with some people but I do not believe that people who are here illegally should get more then emergency medical care. That's why I stated is the child a citizen or legal immigrant? CA have many many more illegals then other states, tho that seems to be changing. Lest you think I'm anti immigration, not so. (i would also hazard a guess that the state of CA is having to find reasons to put ration health care because the illegal immigrants are putting hugh stress on the money available to help the disadvantaged in that state, money does not grow on trees and they've been losing alot of emergency rooms because of the number of people using them for free care)

Of course Mexico does have free medical care so if the child is a Mexican citizen then the child could get the implant there for free. No? Also if the child has a duel citizenship I would think the child could go to Mexico and use the 'excellent' medical care that's free. No?

Of course all that is another argument. From a co worker who was a Mexican citizen many of the people do their best to NOT use the free care at hospitals. She told me of a neighbor begging for money when he hadn't saved enough up yet when his wife went into labor. Funny that they are poor but try to avoid using the excellent care that's 'free'. :)
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But I thinkthe point is that the US does have many,many legal immigrants who have a poor command of English, and continue to speak their native language at home. If their deaf child has been born in the US and is therefore a citizen, should that criteria be used to deny them implantation
 
Cloggy said:
As with any child that has heard for two years.... what's your point...??? (as if there needs to be one,...)
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Excellent point Cloggy. I have a hard time understanding my 2 yo granddaughte at times. It's perfectly normal in language developement. AT this time her receptive skills are much higher then her speaking skills. But that's life. :)
 
jillio said:
But I thinkthe point is that the US does have many,many legal immigrants who have a poor command of English, and continue to speak their native language at home. If their deaf child has been born in the US and is therefore a citizen, should that criteria be used to deny them implantation
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But I DID separate legal and illegal. Those here LEAGALLY and who want to intergrate into our sociaty are supposed to learn the language used here. I do have a co worker who was Mexican, when she lived in CA she rarely spoke English. CA may have put stricter limits on what is available to someone without the proper documents. Yes if the child is a citizen then that criteria isn't good, but no where in the discussion here has that been stated. A link would be needed, including a link to the news article that 'might' be able to clear up why the center is denying the inplant.
 
jag said:
LINK? I am not going on a wild goose chase to find the place you're talking about. Did that once and the more 'valid' proof contained no links to the abstracts listed in the article, so was no more valid (actually less valid) then the abstracts listed on studies done on children with CI's.

I know it's not a popular opinion with some people but I do not believe that people who are here illegally should get more then emergency medical care. That's why I stated is the child a citizen or legal immigrant? CA have many many more illegals then other states, tho that seems to be changing. Lest you think I'm anti immigration, not so. (i would also hazard a guess that the state of CA is having to find reasons to put ration health care because the illegal immigrants are putting hugh stress on the money available to help the disadvantaged in that state, money does not grow on trees and they've been losing alot of emergency rooms because of the number of people using them for free care)

Of course Mexico does have free medical care so if the child is a Mexican citizen then the child could get the implant there for free. No? Also if the child has a duel citizenship I would think the child could go to Mexico and use the 'excellent' medical care that's free. No?

Of course all that is another argument. From a co worker who was a Mexican citizen many of the people do their best to NOT use the free care at hospitals. She told me of a neighbor begging for money when he hadn't saved enough up yet when his wife went into labor. Funny that they are poor but try to avoid using the excellent care that's 'free'. :)
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Those children are here legally in the US but their families dont speak English...should those children be denied the right to get a CI simply because their families dont speak English at home? That is my whole question...not about legal status.
 
jag said:
But I DID separate legal and illegal. Those here LEAGALLY and who want to intergrate into our sociaty are supposed to learn the language used here. I do have a co worker who was Mexican, when she lived in CA she rarely spoke English. CA may have put stricter limits on what is available to someone without the proper documents. Yes if the child is a citizen then that criteria isn't good, but no where in the discussion here has that been stated. A link would be needed, including a link to the news article that 'might' be able to clear up why the center is denying the inplant.
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It was brought up by another AD member in that thread...she mentioned that she is on a CI team and they reject children from Spanish speaking only homes to get CIs. That doesnt make sense to me cuz I thought the purpose of the CI is to acquire spoken language ..doesnt matter if it is Spanish or English. No language should be superior to another. Hearing children with a strong L1 language in Spanish are able to pick up English as a 2nd language so why not a deaf child too?
 
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