Cochlear Implant advertisement at wrong place (Utube)

[shel90]

Can you also see the point of view of the promoters and organizers of the expo. It cost's a lot of money to rent space at those big convention centers. They have to make that money back and then some. They have the right to allow whatever they see fit into their expo. And it's not like they are trying to hide anything as it's clearly spelled out in their mission statement.

Yea, they have a right, I agree with u.

 

[rockdrummer]

Yea, they have a right, I agree with u.

If you agree that they have the right and it says so in their statement, what is all of the fuss about?

 

[jillio]

Im not quite sure what that has to do with anything. It's the discretion of the promoters to determine what is allowed at the expo. Not our opinion of what we think should be allowed.

Here is how it applies:
ASL=non-verbal communication, not dependent upon hearing.
All of the other technological devises I mention=non-verbal communicaiton, not dependent upon hearing
CI=oral communication, dependent upon hearing.

ASL and the other devises are intended to facilitate communication despite level of hearing and sound perception. The CI is intended to increase the level of sound perception in order to facillitate oral communication.

The other methods are to facillitate communication, the CI is to facillitate iradicating deafness.

 

[rockdrummer]

Here is how it applies:
ASL=non-verbal communication, not dependent upon hearing.
All of the other technological devises I mention=non-verbal communicaiton, not dependent upon hearing
CI=oral communication, dependent upon hearing.

ASL and the other devises are intended to facilitate communication despite level of hearing and sound perception. The CI is intended to increase the level of sound perception in order to facillitate oral communication.

The other methods are to facillitate communication, the CI is to facillitate iradicating deafness.

I get your point but I don't think you are getting mine. My point is that your interpretation of what the ASL expo should be doesn't necessarily match what the promoters and organizers interpretation is. It seems that you are trying to define what should be included in the ASL expo and what I am saying is that its not up to you or me to make that decision. It's up to the folks that organize and promote the expo to decide.

 

[shel90]

If you agree that they have the right and it says so in their statement, what is all of the fuss about?

I didnt make the video..just thought it was an interesting point of view.

 

[jillio]

I get your point but I don't think you are getting mine. My point is that your interpretation of what the ASL expo should be doesn't necessarily match what the promoters and organizers interpretation is. It seems that you are trying to define what should be included in the ASL expo and what I am saying is that its not up to you or me to make that decision. It's up to the folks that organize and promote the expo to decide.

What interpretation. It is a generally accepted fact that ASL is non-verbal communication not dependent upon hearing status. And are you disputing that the other technological advances I mentioned can be used not dependent uponhearing status?

 

[jillio]

I didnt make the video..just thought it was an interesting point of view.

seems like anytime you try to show adiffering oint of view, or expalin the basis and validity of that differing point of you, all of a sudden, its your view too. The girl had a valid point, and a valid reason for her opinion. Conceeding that doesn't mean you have to agree with it.

 

[rockdrummer]

What interpretation. It is a generally accepted fact that ASL is non-verbal communication not dependent upon hearing status. And are you disputing that the other technological advances I mentioned can be used not dependent uponhearing status?

No no no... it's your interpretation of what should be allowed at the ASL expo. That's what I am referring to.

 

[rockdrummer]

seems like anytime you try to show adiffering oint of view, or expalin the basis and validity of that differing point of you, all of a sudden, its your view too. The girl had a valid point, and a valid reason for her opinion. Conceeding that doesn't mean you have to agree with it.

I don't think her point is valid (the girl in the video) I don't get the impression that she understands that running an EXPO is a business venture. In honesty I dont' understand ASL enough to follow exactly what she said so I am basing my opinion on what has been discussed in this thread.

 

[shel90]

seems like anytime you try to show adiffering oint of view, or expalin the basis and validity of that differing point of you, all of a sudden, its your view too. The girl had a valid point, and a valid reason for her opinion. Conceeding that doesn't mean you have to agree with it.

Right..I wouldn't have thought twice seeing a CI booth at an ASL expo. Just that woman made me see the irony of it and I gotta say that yea, she has a good point but doesn't mean I am saying that the CI booths should never be allowed at those events. Just seems kinda weird cuz what they promote r so different..ASL is a visual language while CIs focuses on the non-visual language and the expo is about ASL according to the name of it, right?

 

[jillio]

Right..I wouldn't have thought twice seeing a CI booth at an ASL expo. Just that woman made me see the irony of it and I gotta say that yea, she has a good point but doesn't mean I am saying that the CI booths should never be allowed at those events. Just seems kinda weird cuz what they promote r so different..ASL is a visual language while CIs focuses on the non-visual language and the expo is about ASL according to the name of it, right?

Right...I see where she is coming from and agree that she has some valid points.

 

[rockdrummer]

Right...I see where she is coming from and agree that she has some valid points.

All I see is a woman that doesn't understand that what is allowed at an expo is strictly up to those that organize it. The only valid complaint I would say she has is that its called an ASL expo. But even that doesn't hold much water when one reads from the promoters statement what the expo is about. What I see are alot of responses based on opinions of what should be allowed this expo. Our opinions don't matter. All that matters is what the organizers see fit to allow at THEIR expo. If the hardline ASL and deaf culture activists dont want to see this sort of thing then they can organize and promote their own expo. Then they will see that its not an easy thing to do and it's also quite expensive. Those expenses have to be paid for and it's the companies that set up the booths that help fund the operation. There must be some benefit to the deaf community at these things or nobody would show up. I know there is something called Deaf expo and maybe they can't use that name which is why its' called ASL expo.

 

[shel90]

All I see is a woman that doesn't understand that what is allowed at an expo is strictly up to those that organize it. The only valid complaint I would say she has is that its called an ASL expo. But even that doesn't hold much water when one reads from the promoters statement what the expo is about. What I see are alot of responses based on opinions of what should be allowed this expo. Our opinions don't matter. All that matters is what the organizers see fit to allow at THEIR expo. If the hardline ASL and deaf culture activists dont want to see this sort of thing then they can organize and promote their own expo. Then they will see that its not an easy thing to do and it's also quite expensive. Those expenses have to be paid for and it's the companies that set up the booths that help fund the operation. There must be some benefit to the deaf community at these things or nobody would show up. I know there is something called Deaf expo and maybe they can't use that name which is why its' called ASL expo.

Putting aside the rights of the promoters to promte whatever they want..yes, I agree with u that have the right to promote anything they see fit.

Now, my question and response to your coment about the name of the expo. If that's the case that they had to call themselves ASL Expo not Deaf Expo but r promoting all aspects of deafness and Deaf culture just like Deaf Expo then what's the point of having two different kinds of expos for the same thing?

I have always thought ASL expo was to promote ASL awareness only such as ASL strorytelling, ASL art,History of ASL, and etc while the Deaf expo was to promote all aspects of deafness and Deaf culture ranging from HAs, CIs, oral deaf, signing deaf, Deaf hitory, Deaf schools, and anything to do with Deafness itself. Guess I was wrong. If ASL expo is the same as Deaf Expo then I rest my case . Not a big deal...

 

[rockdrummer]

Putting aside the rights of the promoters to promte whatever they want..yes, I agree with u that have the right to promote anything they see fit.

If you put aside their rights then we are not talking about the real world. But for the sake of argument I'll proceed.

Now, my question and response to your coment about the name of the expo. If that's the case that they had to call themselves ASL Expo not Deaf Expo but r promoting all aspects of deafness and Deaf culture just like Deaf Expo then what's the point of having two different kinds of expos for the same thing?

I'm not in a position to say that they are in fact the same. If they are then perhaps it's just good ole competition as is practiced in many businesses.

I have always thought ASL expo was to promote ASL awareness only such as ASL strorytelling, ASL art,History of ASL, and etc while the Deaf expo was to promote all aspects of deafness and Deaf culture ranging from HAs, CIs, oral deaf, signing deaf, Deaf hitory, Deaf schools, and anything to do with Deafness itself. Guess I was wrong. If ASL expo is the same as Deaf Expo then I rest my case . Not a big deal...

I understand that is your impression of what it should be but that doesn't match what the promoters vision is. All one needs to do is visit the respective websites and read what the expo is about. I did a quick search and came up with the following descriptions of 3 expos. Deafnation expo, Deaf expo and ASL expo. After reading the descriptions I don't see where there is a problem. In fact they all welcome any business that wants to market it's products to the deaf/hoh community. Interestinlgly enough it's the deaf expo that has the ASL storytelling that you mentioned.

DeafNation Expo

DeafNation Expo is the foremost touring trade show for, by, and about Deaf people. We provide exhibitions and entertainment around the United States. These exhibitions serve as an outlet for national and local vendors and businesses, marketing a wide range of products and services: telephony and communication products, educational materials, books, videotapes, on-line services, travel services, crafts, and more. Organizations such as government agencies and local attractions will also join us to showcase themselves to potential new customers and spread awareness. We also will have numerous presentations, workshops, and seminars, on a widevariety of topics - ranging from financial advisors, educational experts, demonstrations of products and services, and more.

Deaf Expo

Deaf Expo. It is THE place for companies to show off their deaf/hoh products to thousands of people at once and make announcements about new products and services. Attendance at Deaf Expo has continued to increase, with the trade show continuously moving into larger and larger quarters. In addition, the Deaf Expo is also a showcase for deaf performing artists and ASL storytellers. Like with a conference, there are workshops on various topics of interest to the deaf community. There is even an art contest for showcasing deaf art and regular art. Deaf celebrities make appearances, and deaf films are presented. Hearing people are not forgotten either - Deaf Expo provides activities for sign language students.

ASL Expo

ASL EXPO is a trade show targeted to the sign language community, with an emphasis on bringing together the deaf and the hearing communities. The purpose of the Expo is to educate consumers, establish material visibility, and generate sales leads for exhibitors of all kinds, including video relay services, wireless communications, interpreter services, American Sign Language video distributors, baby sign video distributors, and any other businesses that want to market their products and services to deaf and hard of hearing consumers

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[Dixie]

I thought AG Bell was an oralist? If CIs promote an oral lifestyle then what is the irony???

If I have misread something then I apologize but at the moment I feel slightly confused.

 

[shel90]

If you put aside their rights then we are not talking about the real world. But for the sake of argument I'll proceed.

I was not talking about the real world..I was talking about u and I putting aside their rights during the debate.

I'm not in a position to say that they are in fact the same. If they are then perhaps it's just good ole competition as is practiced in many businesses.

I understand that is your impression of what it should be but that doesn't match what the promoters vision is. All one needs to do is visit the respective websites and read what the expo is about. I did a quick search and came up with the following descriptions of 3 expos. Deafnation expo, Deaf expo and ASL expo. After reading the descriptions I don't see where there is a problem. In fact they all welcome any business that wants to market it's products to the deaf/hoh community. Interestinlgly enough it's the deaf expo that has the ASL storytelling that you mentioned.

DeafNation Expo


Deaf Expo


ASL Expo
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Well, according to the deaf community around here the understanding was that ASL expo was about ASL only so apparently that woman in the video thought just the same too. Really, I think it started out that way with the purpose of ASL expos..the exposure to the deaf and hearing communities about ASL and its rich background so it seems like it either changed to become more politically correct or needed other businesses that have nothing to do with ASL itself to support the events. Maybe, just for once, can the event just be about ASL itself? I think that was what that woman was feeling and felt that it was a disrespect to ASL itself by promoting CIs. Like I said, she meant there is a time and a place for CI advertisement and she felt that an expo about ASL wasnt the right place or time. That's why I can understand where she is coming from.

Deaf Expo is EVERYTHING about deafness so of course ASL storytelling will be included cuz ASL came from Deaf people.

 

[shel90]

I thought AG Bell was an oralist? If CIs promote an oral lifestyle then what is the irony???

If I have misread something then I apologize but at the moment I feel slightly confused.

This is about CI booths at an ASL expo not at an AG Bell Expo. It makes perfect sense to have CI booths at AGBell expos.

Doesnt make sense for AGBell to have ASL booths at their expos cuz I thought it was a strictly oral-only philosophy??? That's is an irony just as much as having CI booths at ASL expos.

U are right..CIs promote oral lifestyles and ASL doesnt.

If ASL expos are about all aspect of deafness not just about ASL only then I guess the purpose of the name is defeated?

 

[rockdrummer]

Well, according to the deaf community around here the understanding was that ASL expo was about ASL only so apparently that woman in the video thought just the same too. Really, I think it started out that way with the purpose of ASL expos..the exposure to the deaf and hearing communities about ASL and its rich background so it seems like it either changed to become more politically correct or needed other businesses that have nothing to do with ASL itself to support the events. Maybe, just for once, can the event just be about ASL itself? I think that was what that woman was feeling and felt that it was a disrespect to ASL itself by promoting CIs. Like I said, she meant there is a time and a place for CI advertisement and she felt that an expo about ASL wasnt the right place or time. That's why I can understand where she is coming from.

Deaf Expo is EVERYTHING about deafness so of course ASL storytelling will be included cuz ASL came from Deaf people.

I get what you are saying shel. The problem is that as soon as you step outside of the real world then the validity of the argument becomes moot. At least in my opinoin it does. I can empathise with what you are saying but the reality is that many businesses are driven by money. I believe the ASL expo probably started out strictly ASL but needed capital to operate and limiting the scope to ASL only wasn't generating enough. Granted that's alot of speculation but I would venture to say that if someone started a grass roots effort to hold a truly ASL only expo, they would most likely encounter the same financial problems. And that is not to slight ASL in any way shape or form.

 

[jillio]

No no no... it's your interpretation of what should be allowed at the ASL expo. That's what I am referring to.

And its not my interpretation of should be allowed, but of the woman in in the video. I was simply outlining those points that give validity to her position.

 

[jillio]

I thought AG Bell was an oralist? If CIs promote an oral lifestyle then what is the irony???

If I have misread something then I apologize but at the moment I feel slightly confused.

You're right--Bell was an oralist to the extreme. Shel was talking about books on ASL at a Bell convention.