Cochlear Implant advertisement at wrong place (Utube)

Of course Boult comes up with the answer once again. Based on the ASL expo statement below, a CI booth was appropriate at that expo.

ASL EXPO is a trade show targeted to the sign language community, with an emphasis on bringing together the deaf and the hearing communities. The purpose of the Expo is to educate consumers, establish material visibility, and generate sales leads for exhibitors of all kinds, including video relay services, wireless communications, interpreter services, American Sign Language video distributors, baby sign video distributors, and any other businesses that want to market their products and services to deaf and hard of hearing consumers.
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rockdrummer said:
Of course Boult comes up with the answer once again. Based on the ASL expo statement below, a CI booth was appropriate at that expo.
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Once again, he forgot to bold "targeted toward the sign language community."
 
jillio said:
Once again, he forgot to bold "targeted toward the sign language community."
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Is that really the only part of that statement that you see? OK so I bolded it... It doesn't change my position. And as mentioned earlier, there are folks in the sign language community that have CI's. I'm not sure I understand what all the hoopla is about.
 
rockdrummer said:
Is that really the only part of that statement that you see? OK so I bolded it... It doesn't change my position. And as mentioned earlier, there are folks in the sign language community that have CI's. I'm not sure I understand what all the hoopla is about.
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Yes, rockdrummer, there are folks in the sign language community who have CI's. But I doubt seriously if they go to their implant team to find info on sign language, or to a sign language expo to find info on CI. It's like, if I go to production of National Theatre for the Deaf, I don't expect it to be an interpreted production done by hearing actors.
 
rockdrummer said:
Is that really the only part of that statement that you see? OK so I bolded it... It doesn't change my position. And as mentioned earlier, there are folks in the sign language community that have CI's. I'm not sure I understand what all the hoopla is about.
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This woman is not saying anything bad about CIs or protesting against them. Just felt conflicted about them at an ASL expo when it was supposed to be about ASL awareness and CIs promote speech and listening skills while ASL doesnt so she and others felt offended. I can understand her point of view. If it was Deaf Expo..no biggie. If the expo was AGBell Expo and there was a booth selling books on ASL when AGBell's philosophy is "no signing" would that be a conflict for the ASL booth to be there?
 
jillio said:
Yes, rockdrummer, there are folks in the sign language community who have CI's. But I doubt seriously if they go to their implant team to find info on sign language, or to a sign language expo to find info on CI. It's like, if I go to production of National Theatre for the Deaf, I don't expect it to be an interpreted production done by hearing actors.
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Right..that was that woman's whole point..like what was the purpose of the CI booth at an ASL (which doesnt promote speech or listening skills) event? That's all.
 
I believe what she was trying to say is that ASL expo is all about the language itself, not deaf, hearing, hearing aids, and cochlear implants. Sure, ASL is a part of the deaf culture, but that's not all what it is about. ASL also apply to everyone, including hearing people to participating in signing ASL for pleasure and education. Um...but I don't get it. Text messaging? You cannot sign ASL over text messaging. Maybe it doesn't belong to the ASL expo? Unless it has a camera such as videophone. In the future, if the phone contains a small screen, how do you sign it while holding the phone at the same time? Maybe it may work if you sign with one hand? It seems cool. Don't get me wrong..! I am just wondering about that. That's all.
 
Barbaro said:
I believe what she was trying to say is that ASL expo is all about the language itself, not deaf, hearing, hearing aids, and cochlear implants. Sure, ASL is a part of the deaf culture, but that's not all what it is about. ASL also apply to everyone, including hearing people to participating in signing ASL for pleasure and education. Um...but I don't get it. Text messaging? You cannot sign ASL over text messaging. Maybe it doesn't belong to the ASL expo? Unless it has a camera such as videophone. In the future, if the phone contains a small screen, how do you sign it while holding the phone at the same time? Maybe it may work if you sign with one hand? It seems cool. Don't get me wrong..! I am just wondering about that. That's all.
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That's your interpretation of what it's about. It's not just about ASL or deaf culture. I would suggest that you read the above posts that were taken off of the ASL expo site where the organizers have defined quite clearly what the ASL expo is about. Below is taken right from their site.

ASL EXPO is a trade show targeted to the sign language community, with an emphasis on bringing together the deaf and the hearing communities. The purpose of the Expo is to educate consumers, establish material visibility, and generate sales leads for exhibitors of all kinds, including video relay services, wireless communications, interpreter services, American Sign Language video distributors, baby sign video distributors, and any other businesses that want to market their products and services to deaf and hard of hearing consumers.
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jillio said:
Yes, rockdrummer, there are folks in the sign language community who have CI's. But I doubt seriously if they go to their implant team to find info on sign language, or to a sign language expo to find info on CI. It's like, if I go to production of National Theatre for the Deaf, I don't expect it to be an interpreted production done by hearing actors.
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I get your point but its really up to the organizers of the expo to determine what is and what is not allowed. At the end of the day they are in it to make money. And the more booths they fill the more money they make. It doesn't matter what my personal opinion is. What matters is how the organizers see fit to run their expo. They have the right to do what they feel is in their best interest. Just as we have the right to disagree with it or not attend. I would totally agree with you if their mission statement was strictly relating to ASL and deaf culture, but it's not. They clearly state what the intention of the ASL expo is and the scope is well beyond ASL and deaf culture only.
 
rockdrummer said:
That's your interpretation of what it's about. It's not just about ASL or deaf culture. I would suggest that you read the above posts that were taken off of the ASL expo site where the organizers have defined quite clearly what the ASL expo is about. Below is taken right from their site.
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I was just reading that after I posted it. Thanks for clarifying.
 
shel90 said:
This woman is not saying anything bad about CIs or protesting against them. Just felt conflicted about them at an ASL expo when it was supposed to be about ASL awareness and CIs promote speech and listening skills while ASL doesnt so she and others felt offended. I can understand her point of view. If it was Deaf Expo..no biggie. If the expo was AGBell Expo and there was a booth selling books on ASL when AGBell's philosophy is "no signing" would that be a conflict for the ASL booth to be there?
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Hi Shel, I actually have gone to 2 AG Bell coferences when they have come out to California. To answer your questions there were several booths that promote sign language. I saw at least 3 booth selling books and videos that could teach you how to learn sign language. I actually both an ASL book there.
 
I do not agree with her. she is anti-ci and she did not know so many D wear CI and I think they should be allow to have CI booth at ASL Expo since I know so many D people with CI who are more deaf culturalists than I am, they are the one who attend ASL expo not me. I have no interest to attend ASL Expo and I do not wear CI. What is so big deal about it?
 
rockdrummer said:
That's your interpretation of what it's about. It's not just about ASL or deaf culture. I would suggest that you read the above posts that were taken off of the ASL expo site where the organizers have defined quite clearly what the ASL expo is about. Below is taken right from their site.
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Yeah, and if you will check out the other exhibits listed, they are all non-verbal communication methods for the deaf that have nothing to do with sound perception or use of oral language. Yes, some of these things are used by hearing, as well, but this is the technology that has given the Deaf a voice in the hearing world.
 
jillio said:
Yes, rockdrummer, there are folks in the sign language community who have CI's. But I doubt seriously if they go to their implant team to find info on sign language, or to a sign language expo to find info on CI. It's like, if I go to production of National Theatre for the Deaf, I don't expect it to be an interpreted production done by hearing actors.
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Many ASL users if they don't have CIs themselves, have friends and family members who may have opted for a CI and may like to get more information in a non threatening environment so that they can educate themselves.
 
shel90 said:
That woman was describing all the different businesses and all related to ASL.

Tell me..how are CI and ASL correlated?
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I'm surprised that you ask this question considering that you passionately advocate a Bi Bi educational program for all children with CIs.
 
jillio said:
Yeah, and if you will check out the other exhibits listed, they are all non-verbal communication methods for the deaf that have nothing to do with sound perception or use of oral language. Yes, some of these things are used by hearing, as well, but this is the technology that has given the Deaf a voice in the hearing world.
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Im not quite sure what that has to do with anything. It's the discretion of the promoters to determine what is allowed at the expo. Not our opinion of what we think should be allowed.
 
R2D2 said:
I'm surprised that you ask this question considering that you passionately advocate a Bi Bi educational program for all children with CIs.
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It is not about education what that woman was talking about.I guess it is hard to explain. Normally I would never thought of it but since that woman brought it up on the Utube, it made me see her point of view and I can understand where she is coming from.
 
shel90 said:
It is not about education what that woman was talking about.I guess it is hard to explain. Normally I would never thought of it but since that woman brought it up on the Utube, it made me see her point of view and I can understand where she is coming from.
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Can you also see the point of view of the promoters and organizers of the expo. It cost's a lot of money to rent space at those big convention centers. They have to make that money back and then some. They have the right to allow whatever they see fit into their expo. And it's not like they are trying to hide anything as it's clearly spelled out in their mission statement.
 
jackiesolorzano said:
Hi Shel, I actually have gone to 2 AG Bell coferences when they have come out to California. To answer your questions there were several booths that promote sign language. I saw at least 3 booth selling books and videos that could teach you how to learn sign language. I actually both an ASL book there.
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Yea, ok then I was wrong. However, if someone who is hearing went there and said the same thing as that woman in the utube video about the ASL booths at the AGBell events being a conflict with the AGBell 's philosophy then I would also understand that person's point of view. I am not saying no to CI booths at ASL event but just thinking about what that woman said made me realize that yea, if the expo is about sign language and the CI is about spoken language, then that would be a conflict. Just never thought it of that way but no, it wont mean I will protest against CI booths at ASL expos. Hope that makes sense?
 
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