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CSign said:
No, it's not exhausting at all actually. What is exhausting is getting into "debates"; which are often times more of an argument, when in reality the belief and or goal is similiar or the same.
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you are free to leave if kitchen's too hot for you. you have a choice.
 
GrendelQ said:
It's sad when people can't discuss the merits of an issue without fumbling around for an angry answer and devolving into personal attacks, the usual abusive ad hominem approach. For Jillio, it always comes down to this sort of statement: "You are stupid and wrong about thinking that some people see both negative and positive connotations in the term 'Deaf militants' because ... um ... your screen name has a C in it, a SEE reference and you are ... hearing! Ahah!"

Yeah ... brilliant, incisive, sure showed her. :cool2:

edit: and yes, in this case, I AM defending csign. Although you'll probably insist it's drphil I'm defending.
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fair to respect to Dr.phil I can help defend to protect strictly!:cool2:

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CSign said:
I know! Isn't it disgusting that I've been signing longer than some d/Deaf posters! That's just deplorable.
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My point is that I've been signing with my son from the very beginning of this journey. I didn't go the AVT route, or strictly oral. Yet the response I got from a loud handful of posters was that I'm not meeting my sons needs because we didn't use ASL from the start. I am sensitive to his needs as an individual, and I am sensitive to the needs of others as individuals.
 
CSign said:
No, it's not exhausting at all actually. What is exhausting is getting into "debates"; which are often times more of an argument, when in reality the belief and or goal is similiar or the same.
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I Know often on debate, I believe it argument to personal attack and verbal words!
 
sallylou said:
Ok, Csign, I've got a challenge for you. An experienment. You suddenly become deaf. For a week, you don't use your ears. You can't listen to anyone. Plug your ears up good so that people sound like the adults in the Peanuts cartoon. What do you do and how do you feel about it?

And don't think that this doesn't happen. We've got a lot of late-deafened people around here.
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The answer to that question will tell it all.
 
Jillio, have you ever done that for yourself? Used sound-muting earplugs for a couple weeks to see what it was like?
 
CSign said:
My point is that I've been signing with my son from the very beginning of this journey. I didn't go the AVT route, or strictly oral. Yet the response I got from a loud handful of posters was that I'm not meeting my sons needs because we didn't use ASL from the start. I am sensitive to his needs as an individual, and I am sensitive to the needs of others as individuals.
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You have been signing SEE with your son, not ASL. SEE, and all of the MCEs, were invented by the hearing. They are the hearing's answer to what the deaf/Deaf need. They do not have the input of the deaf/Deaf regarding what they feel their needs to be. Using an MCE is as audist in perpsective as is oralism. It is again about what the hearing think the deaf/Deaf need to function optimally. That is the problem, and that is why you simply signing an MCE is not considered to be a criteria here for understanding the Deaf perpsective, or for acceptance into the Deaf cultural folds.

Again, you are sensivitive to his needs from your own hearing perspective. That is not any where close to taking on a different cultural perspective. It is not looking at the needs of the deaf from the perspective of the deaf.

This really is not that difficult to understand. It only takes a bit of effort and willingness to admit that your perspective is not the right perspective when it comes to deaf needs.
 
CSign said:
My point is that I've been signing with my son from the very beginning of this journey. I didn't go the AVT route, or strictly oral. Yet the response I got from a loud handful of posters was that I'm not meeting my sons needs because we didn't use ASL from the start. I am sensitive to his needs as an individual, and I am sensitive to the needs of others as individuals.
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did your son tell you that he wants ASL?
 
Beach girl said:
Jillio, have you ever done that for yourself? Used sound-muting earplugs for a couple weeks to see what it was like?
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Yes, I have, back when my son was very young. While it does give the perspective of what it is to actually have a hearing loss, it doesn't do much for understanding the social and psychological consequences of such over the long term. But if you remember the experience, and then apply it fluidly to things that you learn about deafness over time, it does help to solidfy that as a hearing person, you have a very different idea of what it is to be deaf than a deaf person does, and therefore, assists in learning to take a different perpsective. If you take a sensitive approach to the exercise, you see that there are implications that you, as a hearing person, have never considered, yet the deaf deal with these implications on a daily basis.
 
CSign said:
The only attitude I have is in response to those that choose to jump on every, single thing I say. It gets really tiring. The sarcasm is really the best way to deal with it. Otherwise I'd just keep going around in circles with a few posters who seem to try and dominate every thread.
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Then quit talking and start listening. The Deaf dominate everything here, duh. It is a forum for the Deaf, of the Deaf, and by the Deaf.
 
CSign said:
No, it's not exhausting at all actually. What is exhausting is getting into "debates"; which are often times more of an argument, when in reality the belief and or goal is similiar or the same.
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Then stop. Take a little responsibility for your contribution.
 
I am a Deaf militant. Not an activist.
There were some posts made claiming that militants were "unreasonable."
NOT true.
 
Beowulf said:
I am a Deaf militant. Not an activist.
There were some posts made claiming that militants were "unreasonable."
NOT true.
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Correct. Militants are not unreasonable. They are simply consistent and outspoken regarding their belief system and the need for the Deaf to be involved in decisions affecting the D/deaf from infancy forward through the life span. That is not unreasonable. The hearing take advantage of such a situation on a daily basis without even realizing they have that priviledge. The Deaf simply want the same.

The hearing seem to have a difficult time seeing that, however. Perhaps they are afraid to share the priviledge status for fear that the Deaf will actually be seen on an equal footing.
 
jillio said:
Yes, I have, back when my son was very young. While it does give the perspective of what it is to actually have a hearing loss, it doesn't do much for understanding the social and psychological consequences of such over the long term. But if you remember the experience, and then apply it fluidly to things that you learn about deafness over time, it does help to solidfy that as a hearing person, you have a very different idea of what it is to be deaf than a deaf person does, and therefore, assists in learning to take a different perpsective. If you take a sensitive approach to the exercise, you see that there are implications that you, as a hearing person, have never considered, yet the deaf deal with these implications on a daily basis.
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What were some implication that you wouldn't have considered before your son was born?
 
deafskeptic said:
What were some implication that you wouldn't have considered before your son was born?
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One of the most predominant is how accepted behaviors that differ from hearing society are necessary for the Deaf/deaf. Such as touching to get someone's attention. The hearing have very strict boundaries regarding touching. It is necessary, however, if you are Deaf/deaf. Another is the lack of willingness in the hearing society to actually accommodate the Deaf/deaf, even though the hearing society is responsible for the creation of those social barriers. Many talk about having empathy or understanding, but few demonstrate in in real life.
 
jillio said:
One of the most predominant is how accepted behaviors that differ from hearing society are necessary for the Deaf/deaf. Such as touching to get someone's attention. The hearing have very strict boundaries regarding touching. It is necessary, however, if you are Deaf/deaf. Another is the lack of willingness in the hearing society to actually accommodate the Deaf/deaf, even though the hearing society is responsible for the creation of those social barriers. Many talk about having empathy or understanding, but few demonstrate in in real life.
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Ah. Touching was difficult for me at first but eventally I had to learn to accept it though I always brace myself when I see that coming. I swear Deaf sharpen their elbows before the elbow me. :P Touching can be painful for me at times.
 
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