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BecLak said:
:lol: ok you're 'officially appointed'. For me, you have 'oral skills' because you already know the language orally. So, it's best we do away with the outdated term 'oral skills' and come up with a more 'politically correct' term. Do you have any suggestions??

(BTW, adding the 's' at the end of an abbreviated name is an Australian habit, sorry. :P)
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Each of us are comfortable with what we have used and know. I'm not about to bow down to others who dislike certain terminology - to each his or her own. I'm not trying to be belligerent, but there is a reason I am comfortable with what terms I use - I've been deaf for 40 years! :)
 
AlleyCat said:
Each of us are comfortable with what we have used and know. I'm not about to bow down to others who dislike certain terminology - to each his or her own. I'm not trying to be belligerent, but there is a reason I am comfortable with what terms I use - I've been deaf for 40 years! :)
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53 years! I win. :nana:

But I am the same as you with the terms , so it isn't really a contest.

Beclak, lots of people call me Botts. And I don't have any suggestions.

You guys can fight it out. :wave:
 
Bottesini said:
53 years! I win. :nana:

But I am the same as you with the terms , so it isn't really a contest.

Beclak, lots of people call me Botts. And I don't have any suggestions.

You guys can fight it out. :wave:
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Yes, you do win !!! :)
 
AlleyCat said:
Each of us are comfortable with what we have used and know. I'm not about to bow down to others who dislike certain terminology - to each his or her own. I'm not trying to be belligerent, but there is a reason I am comfortable with what terms I use - I've been deaf for 40 years! :)
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AlleyCat, my apologies, no offense intended. I thought this way would diffuse misunderstandings. I respect your view on this. Thanks for sharing.
(btw, I've been deaf a long time too :h5: (since birth and I'm 47) I'm just a newbie on the forum, but I learn fast)
 
Yea..I am still going to stand by what I learned in grad school from my lingusitics professors...oral skills equate to having spoken English skills.
 
BecLak said:
AlleyCat, my apologies, no offense intended. I thought this way would diffuse misunderstandings. I respect your view on this. Thanks for sharing.
(btw, I've been deaf a long time too :h5: (since birth and I'm 47) I'm just a newbie on the forum, but I learn fast)
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Hi BecLak, I took no offense at all at your post. I was just stating where I stand, that's all. :) Each of us differ, I suppose.
 
Bottesini said:
53 years! I win. :nana:

But I am the same as you with the terms , so it isn't really a contest.

Beclak, lots of people call me Botts. And I don't have any suggestions.

You guys can fight it out. :wave:
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I came second :P

Ok, scratch political correct term for 'oral skills' off the list. Check.

Back in the ring....:eek: :run:
 
shel90 said:
Yea..I am still going to stand by what I learned in grad school from my lingusitics professors...oral skills equate to having spoken English skills.
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Which includes oral knowledge....I am right? Therefore, we stick with 'oral skills'.
 
The part I feel like you guys are missing is that one CAN speak well, and not be fluent in the language they are using. What word would you use for that?
 
shel90 said:
Yea..I am still going to stand by what I learned in grad school from my lingusitics professors...oral skills equate to having spoken English skills.
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Uh oh, now you are adding a new term to the mix: spoken English skills?
 
faire_jour said:
The part I feel like you guys are missing is that one CAN speak well, and not be fluent in the language they are using. What word would you use for that?
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We're not missing anything. You are speaking (writing) to those who have used oral skills, spoken english, speech, speaking, writing, written English, ASL, sign, sign language, or any and everything else. Who here has responded to you that is "not fluent in the language they are using" as you are asking?
 
AlleyCat said:
We're not missing anything. You are speaking (writing) to those who have used oral skills, spoken english, speech, speaking, writing, written English, ASL, sign, sign language, or any and everything else. Who here has responded to you that is "not fluent in the language they are using" as you are asking?
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No one here, but there are people who can speak but are not fluent in the language they are speaking. What is the term that you would use for a person who has the ability to speak, and be understood, but is not fluent in the language that are speaking?
 
faire_jour said:
No one here, but there are people who can speak but are not fluent in the language they are speaking. What is the term that you would use for a person who has the ability to speak, and be understood, but is not fluent in the language that are speaking?
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Who? Give me an example.
 
Anyone involved in neurolinguistics is going to differentiate the skills involved in learning to speak words and learning to write letters from language development.

Of course writing letters is connected to learning written language, but knowing how to write is not the same as knowing English (in fact, some people type, some dictate, some write other languages). Writing is a skill that can be employed in expressing the language, but it is not involved in receptive activity, reading written language.

Similarly, oral skills are connected to learning spoken language, but knowing how to speak is not the same as knowing English. Oral skills can be employed in expressing the language, but are not involved in receptive activity, hearing spoken language.
 
AlleyCat said:
Who? Give me an example.
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My daughter, pre-CI. As I said, she was being taught a few words to use withhearing people. She was being taught to memorize the sounds, and they were connecting it back to the signs she knew, but she was not learning English. She didn't understand the language. She was being taught how to express a few things orally, (what I would call "oral skills") but she did not understand or use the language.
 
GrendelQ said:
Anyone involved in neurolinguistics is going to differentiate the skills involved in learning to speak words and learning to write letters from language development.

Of course writing letters is connected to learning written language, but knowing how to write is not the same as knowing English (in fact, some people type, some dictate, some write other languages). Writing is a skill that can be employed in expressing the language, but it is not involved in receptive activity, reading written language.

Similarly, oral skills are connected to learning spoken language, but knowing how to speak is not the same as knowing English. Oral skills can be employed in expressing the language, but are not involved in receptive activity, hearing spoken language.
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faire_jour said:
The part I feel like you guys are missing is that one CAN speak well, and not be fluent in the language they are using. What word would you use for that?
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In the case of the above statements, who do you have in mind that speaks well, and is not fluent in the language in they are using?
 
AlleyCat said:
Who? Give me an example.
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I had to give a speech in another language, one I knew the basics in, pronunciation-wise, but I had very little vocabulary, poor grammar, and could not understand a conversation beyond getting a taxi, a hotel room, ordering food. I practiced the words, by rote, had them down cold, and yet had they not been scripted and had I not been coached on delivery, I could not have put them together myself, and if I were listening, I'd not have made sense of it. And apparently, my speech made sense to the audience. I'm not fluent in the language, but I can speak individual words.
 
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