Change the future for a deaf child

[faire_jour]

What's a mensa member? Thanks..

American Mensa | Home

 

[Hear Again]

Again this "parents allways do what is best for your child" nonsense.

It's lots of bad parents that wants to do good, but not are able to. Have you met alcholics going all bilateral and putting their mentally retarded child in a mainstream program, then sending the child to a state deaf school all fucked up?

I don't agree that deaf people is hurt by mainstream programs. The problem is that, according to findings, deaf children in mainstream programs will most likely suffer emotionally, and the deaf society will have to include another freak when the child grow up. Isn't it plausible that parents are hurt by the fact that many of those children, when older, are looked at as village idiots by many grown up deaf people?

:roll:

 

[shel90]

Oh thank u both for providing the info.

 

[Bottesini]

Again this "parents allways do what is best for your child" nonsense.

It's lots of bad parents that wants to do good, but not are able to. Have you met alcholics going all bilateral and putting their mentally retarded child in a mainstream program, then sending the child to a state deaf school all fucked up?

I don't agree that deaf people is hurt by mainstream programs. The problem is that, according to findings, deaf children in mainstream programs will most likely suffer emotionally, and the deaf society will have to include another freak when the child grow up. Isn't it plausible that parents are hurt by the fact that many of those children, when older, are looked at as village idiots by many grown up deaf people?

I guess that would be me? Oh well, I feel loved anyway.

By the way, my dad was in Mensa. He was one of the ones with the yellow map pin in lapel. If you are Mensa you will know that meaning.

 

[Hear Again]

I understand, educating is important, but it gets so old sometimes.

it really does. i find it ironic how some non-disabled people expect disabled people to educate them instead of the former doing the research themselves. as i said, i don't mind educating the general public, but i am not anyone's teacher 24/7.

 

[jillio]

We know what you're thinking. "How do I join?", right?
Maybe, "I'm not sure that I'll qualify." or "I never made good grades in school."
The truth of the matter is that, in the U.S. alone, more than six million people qualify for membership — that's really one person in every 50. Most don't realize that they qualify and haven't considered membership. You've at least considered membership, or you wouldn't be reading this now.

So how do you join? It's easy. You can become a member of American Mensa in one of two ways:

If you're age 14 or older, you can take a supervised, standardized test in your area with one of our certified member volunteers.

And anyone can submit evidence of prior testing in the form of scores from a supervised, standardized test like the Stanford Binet, the Miller Analogies Test or the GMAT.

No doubt, several people on this board qualify.

 

[Hear Again]

according to the qualifications of mensa, i could be a member, but choose not to. to each their own, but being a member of mensa would make me feel as if i'm more superior to others because of my intellect and quite frankly, i don't like feeling that way.

 

[Hear Again]

Oh thank u both for providing the info.

you're welcome!

 

[faire_jour]

I guess that would be me? Oh well, I feel loved anyway.

By the way, my dad was in Mensa. He was one of the ones with the yellow map pin in lapel. If you are Mensa you will know that meaning.

Isn't that just the pin they gave you at membership?

 

[faire_jour]

according to the qualifications of mensa, i could be a member, but choose not to. to each their own, but being a member of mensa would make me feel as if i'm more superior to others because of my intellect and quite frankly, i don't like feeling that way.

It doesn't make one superior at all.

 

[Hear Again]

It doesn't make one superior at all.

then why do people brag about being in mensa as if that makes them better than someone who isn't?

like i said, i qualify for mensa, but you don't see me mentioning anything about it (with the exception of this thread).

 

[faire_jour]

then why do people brag about being in mensa as if that makes them better than someone who isn't?

like i said, i qualify for mensa, but you don't see me mentioning anything about it (with the exception of this thread).

I certainly didn't bring it up here. It was in a different thread where I mentioned it, and someone brought it up here to imply something about me...

 

[jillio]

I certainly didn't bring it up here. It was in a different thread where I mentioned it, and someone brought it up here to imply something about me...

No an implication at all...a statement. Regarding the principle of creative thought that Mensa supports.

 

[shel90]

But hearing people don't have the right to express anything?

This is not an article portraying hearing people in a negative light, isnt it?

 

[Hear Again]

I certainly didn't bring it up here. It was in a different thread where I mentioned it, and someone brought it up here to imply something about me...

no, i didn't say that you bragged about being a member of mensa. i was referring to others in general. sorry i wasn't clear.

 

[dreama]

Of course most hearing people start out with their deaf child to be hearing. People who have lived their whole lives as hearing (and oblivious to Deaf culture) are just reacting naturally by framing hearing as normal, since that is what is normal for them. But they don't realize that a deaf child is starting from an entirely different place altogether. A deaf child is starting from a place of deafness is normal. A deaf child might want to be hearing, but it's usually a result of societal pressure. Assuming that making your deaf child hearing is caring for his/her well-being is applying the world where hearing is normal. That's what annoys me about parents who give their children CI's without asking them what they would prefer. Each person is coming from their own place and might have a totally different way of looking at it, where normal isn't always set to hearing.

I agree. Although I don't see myself as 'normal'. Rather then conforming to societies definition of 'normality' I feel we should live in a more diverse society where everything goes.

 

[naisho]

Honestly, you're only not normal if you perceive yourself not to be.
In someone else's eyes that's their perception, unless you are concerned of that.
Norms and deviance are created by people individually themselves. Then it becomes popularized through content that can go from one person to another.

Whether you perceive yourself through your own eyes or someone else's, is your personal choice, but for the best; it should be from your own standpoint because self esteem plays a variable in it.

 

[dreama]

She desperately needs another implant to become a fully functional adult.

and deaf people without implants are not fully functional adults? What a load of BS! :roll:

I agree. I gave up reading the original post half way through. It was just the usual pro CI nonsense.

 

[dreama]

Honestly, you're only not normal if you perceive yourself not to be.
In someone else's eyes that's their perception, unless you are concerned of that.
Norms and deviance are created by people individually themselves. Then it becomes popularized through content that can go from one person to another.

Whether you perceive yourself through your own eyes or someone else's, is your personal choice, but for the best; it should be from your own standpoint because self esteem plays a variable in it.

I think we just have differant interpretations of normality. I don't seeing being 'differant' or 'disabled' as something to be ashamed of. I know other disabled people want to think of themselves as normal but it doesn't bother me as I see 'normality' as a state that I have very little interest in.

I think people should have a right to be differant if they want to.

To me a desire to be normal is just conforming to societies norms. I don't wish to do that. Since I was born and grew up with several minor disabilities I've had normality rammed down my throat. So now I want to be differant.

 

[Hear Again]

Honestly, you're only not normal if you perceive yourself not to be.
In someone else's eyes that's their perception, unless you are concerned of that.
Norms and deviance are created by people individually themselves. Then it becomes popularized through content that can go from one person to another.

Whether you perceive yourself through your own eyes or someone else's, is your personal choice, but for the best; it should be from your own standpoint because self esteem plays a variable in it.

even though people view deafblindness and having a mental illness as being abnormal, i don't. i'm normal in every sense of the word. as i like to tell people, "i don't do amazing things. i do normal things differently."