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a very interesting read and well thought out. I can see that Zara (author of this article) is very well-informed with the laws and reality. At the end of article - she asked a very good question.

Could the Arizona Shooting Have Been Prevented By College Officials?
The recent Arizona school shootings have given us something to think long and hard about: when it comes to mental illnesses on campus, where do we draw the line between caution and discrimination?

When Jared L. Loughner attended community college in Arizona, officials worried about the threat he posed to his fellow students – and rightly so. The 22-year-old was prone to frightening mood swings and believed firmly in conspiracy theories that could not be understood by anyone else.

The school recognized his strange behavior, but legally there was little that could be done. The truth is, there’s really no protocol when it comes to addressing mental illness on campus, no organized method for detecting and dealing with the dangers of having a mentally ill student on campus.

Although Loughner’s psychological issues were evident, the school could not legally force him into therapy. He was suspended from the institution, a suspension that was not lifted upon his refusal to undergo mental treatment. But a question is raised here: if a school has no choice but to let a student go in order to protect the community, does that school after a responsibility to that student even after his or her departure? Is there someone they should notify when a disturbed student refuses treatment for obvious issues? Even if they had notified local authorities, what could the authorities have done? Tailed him 24/7?

Tragically, Loughner’s case was far from over when he left school. Though he was not a student at the time of his paranoia-fueled shooting, he killed several students in his attempt to harm Representative Gabrielle Giffords.

Evidence suggests that the mentally ill are actually no more likely to commit violent crimes, but that mental issues – if left untreated – can manifest themselves in dangerous ways. Experts guess that a psychological evaluation could have possibly prevented the situation. They claim that cases like this are almost always premeditated and planned out meticulously, and a psychiatric professional could have picked up on these plans. Loughlin most likely suffers from schizophrenia.

There isn’t much that school officials could have done in this case, but with the recent surge in school shootings, I have to wonder if some sort of legal protocol should be established for mentally ill students. A small setting like a community college makes it easier for students and faculty to identify those who seem to need some help, but at larger universities, these issues are often concealed. A basic psychiatric evaluation for all students may be a good idea. But is it fair to the mentally healthy students? And is it fair to label students with diagnoses that could possibly follow them for the rest of their lives?

Should there be a national database of people like Jared Loughner, mentally ill students who do not appear to be seeking treatment, that can be accessed by certain authorities so people can better track when a student is going off the deep end?* If only there had been, Loughner, rejected from the Army and his college, could have possibly been flagged and prevented from buying a gun.

And at the end of the day, we’re still left with the issue of whether or not colleges should be allowed to mandate that unstable students seek treatment. What are your views? Sound off below.

Military. FBI. Police. these kind of agencies require psychiatric evaluation. Now should we have psychiatric evaluation for colleges too?
 
In addition to whatever mental illness Loughner has, what about the effects of the salvia he was using? That's nasty stuff for anyone.
 
In addition to whatever mental illness Loughner has, what about the effects of the salvia he was using? That's nasty stuff for anyone.

I didn't know he was taking salvia .... interesting.

I heard one case where police were called to a location where teens were taking salvia. One was calmly eating his arm and offered a bite to the police when they arrived.
 
1) who the hell cares which party the wounded and murdered belong to
it certainly does not have anything to do here

2) she is still alive stupid! And i'm not please she was shot

3) the jobs are out there (look in the sunday's employment section of your
paper) bush can't and never could make people to go to work and take
the jobs.

4) <way ahead of you> yes, i am aware of the unemployment rate but
just because someone is unemployed does not mean there is no job
for that person. It could be there is no job he/she really wants, for
whatever reason. The jobs are out there.





yes!!!
 
I take it that you've never read George Orwell book - 1984?

Been meaning to. Never had it as an assignment. I know the synopsis but I haven't actually read the book.

Have you read the invisible man by Ralph Ellison?
 
Been meaning to. Never had it as an assignment. I know the synopsis but I haven't actually read the book.

Have you read the invisible man by Ralph Ellison?

no
 
In addition to whatever mental illness Loughner has, what about the effects of the salvia he was using? That's nasty stuff for anyone.

Agreed, and I have no doubt that it exacerbated his illness and his delusions. But, it is not illegal. Alcohol would have had the same effect, but he would have still had the choice to use it.
 
a very interesting read and well thought out. I can see that Zara (author of this article) is very well-informed with the laws and reality. At the end of article - she asked a very good question.

Could the Arizona Shooting Have Been Prevented By College Officials?


Military. FBI. Police. these kind of agencies require psychiatric evaluation. Now should we have psychiatric evaluation for colleges too?

Of course not.

And the college did do everything in line with accepted policy.
 
Wow, that is so weird. No one wanted to intervene because they were scared of Loughner. That sounds an awful lot like Nadal Hasan. All his colleagues knew he was a nutter but no one intervened.

Was it because it wasn't the "politically correct" thing to do?

So....should we be able to lock you up for making crazy statements such as the one above? Isn't that what you are proposing? That he be locked up just for "appearing crazy"?

Oh, wait...I guess you wouldn't want your rights trampled on like that, would you?

That is why there is a specfic criteria that must be met before anyone can be hospitalized without their consent for a mental illness. And "acting crazy" is not a crime, so he couldn't be jailed, either.
 
Nadal was definitely much more politically outspoken and eventually acted on it. I'd like to read more about Nadal's history and then contrast it to Loughner's. But I think there were some key differences in where intervention could've taken place.

Loughner was different in that his entire belief system broke down and rewired itself to something "not normal". Hence the "crazy" looking language and illogical statements that he put in the form of logic rules but misapplied. He blamed someone for his abnormal woes and then it became a political reality.

If someone says something "crazy", it depends on the context of the statement and how it's applied. I mean...if the person is an underling, the supervisor, should pull that person aside from the environment he's in and then "interview" the person to see if there is something wrong. Usually it's easy to tell if you need to put that person to a higher credentialed person or just note in some personal folder. Should we lock up homeless people because they look crazy and say crazy stuff?

"looking crazy" can be misinterpreted.
 
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