Can't we all get along?

[saywhatkid]

Sort of like obama.

Good job bringing him into the crosshairs!

 

[saywhatkid]

So, are you saying that we should stop freedom of speech for the sake of a minority group of psychos?

I am saying, why can't we get along? But after reading the replies here, I realize most people don't want to get along. "Peace and getting along? Only if you do what I want first, then I might consider it."

In fact, why should Aryan Nation have to hide their activities? Freedom of speech should be wide open. Let's have cross burnings in prime time. Let's have a reality show on trying to become a member in with the KKK.

 

[saywhatkid]

AMEN!!! the same day six people, including a 11 year old boy, were murdered in Houston. Did they make the front page?---do I really need to answer that? The local newcast gave only two minutes for the boy and none for the others. And yet, they pre-empt regular scheduled shows to do Az.
Tomorrow they will do the same thing to show Obama make a photo apperance. Wonder if he will cry. Seriously doubt it.

I will be interested in what you have to say if a Republican Congressional member is shot in the head at close range, and 19 others are wounded. Will you still complain if they cover it? My guess is that this event silently pleases you, because another Obamacare backer bites the dust. Maybe we can get things back to order.

BTW, we have had 10 years of Bush tax cuts. Where are the trickle-down jobs?

 

[Reba]

Maybe the trash?

???

 

[whatdidyousay!]

Sarah Palin has a web site up and she put some cross hairs on a map of
Gabby Giffords's district in AZ! Sarah Palin had another web site of other states that voted for the health bill and those states also had a cross hair on them! I think this is an insane thing to had done! who know if this gun man
thought this meant Gabby Giffords's was a danger to him.

 

[Reba]

Regardless of whether the killer was motivated by political rhetoric, it is good that this event has brought about a serious discussion on the language that pervades our society. My fear is that this very legitimate issue that has needed addressing for years, is going to be swept aside by all the people trying to defend themselves saying, "Oh, but the guy was just a nutcase..." and "this wasn't politically motivated."

What if it's true? What if he wasn't motivated by political commentators? Should we just sweep the facts under the rug?

I don't care if there isn't a strong connection between the shooting and the current acidic climate in politics; something needs to change.

Are you saying that you don't care about the facts of this case?

 

[Reba]

Eh here is the sad truth, this will be a hot topic and people will "talk" about its effects and how it needs to change but no "action" will be done. Something else will come up and this will be swept under the rug until the next one does it again.

What action do you suggest be done?

 

[ember]

What action do you suggest be done?

I wasn't suggesting any action be done, I said people talk about it and they come up with all sorts of theories of change in societies behavior that would prevent these types of things from happening. I agree with Alex's response it starts with personal reflection and responsibility but we don't live in that society we live in blame it on ..... society so it will never change.

 

[TWA]

What if it's true? What if he wasn't motivated by political commentators? Should we just sweep the facts under the rug?

No. But the reasons for why this happen are beside the point. Do you deny that there is a problem with the political rhetoric being spewed by politicians and pundits from both side of the aisle? Are you saying we should just ignore the rhetorical climate going on in this country?

Are you saying that you don't care about the facts of this case?

Again, no. I am saying that the facts don't matter one way or the other.

 

[saywhatkid]

What if it's true? What if he wasn't motivated by political commentators? Should we just sweep the facts under the rug?


Are you saying that you don't care about the facts of this case?

What action do you suggest be done?

He probably wasn't motivated by Rush and Beck and the others. I am just tired of all the pot stirring anger. Do you not see this?

I suggest we keep doing what we are; both sides digging in deeper and deeper. Let the divide grow. It has been working so well...:roll:

"Why should I back down. You go first!"

 

[saywhatkid]

I wasn't suggesting any action be done, I said people talk about it and they come up with all sorts of theories of change in societies behavior that would prevent these types of things from happening. I agree with Alex's response it starts with personal reflection and responsibility but we don't live in that society we live in blame it on ..... society so it will never change.

Right, but so many have their own agenda that must be dealt with first: taxes, immigration, jobs, etc. Does not matter about people starting militias and lone gunmen blasting shopping malls. "Take care of me, and we can talk about getting along."

 

[jillio]

Most don't debate they argue with emotions and when emotions begin to become unhinged well then there is violence to follow. Why is there such a divide in the country because the people fuel it. I would like to think and this is just my opinion that politicians could do a better job at finding solid solutions if labels were removed and they didn't have to worry about the voters being down their back and feeling a sense of obligation to with hold whatever "standards" come along with whatever particular party they are affiliated with. But Jefferson summed it up best or at least thats what I think he said

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion without imputing to them criminality. I know too well the weakness and uncertainty of human reason to wonder at its different results. Both of our political parties, at least the honest part of them, agree conscientiously in the same object--the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that One side...fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove"

Well said.

 

[jillio]

Good job bringing him into the crosshairs!

Looks like we have another Koko.

 

[jillio]

Regardless of whether the killer was motivated by political rhetoric, it is good that this event has brought about a serious discussion on the language that pervades our society. My fear is that this very legitimate issue that has needed addressing for years, is going to be swept aside by all the people trying to defend themselves saying, "Oh, but the guy was just a nutcase..." and "this wasn't politically motivated."

I don't care if there isn't a strong connection between the shooting and the current acidic climate in politics; something needs to change.

Agreed. The political climate has a direct effect on society, and society is responsible for giving the message that acts such as the one the gunman took are acceptable. It matters not that he was mentally ill. He was clear thinking enough to plan his act. And clear thinking enough to absorb the messages that society give: violence is a solution. And the political climate currently demonstrates such. The hate spewing needs to stop. We will then see a change is the social climate.

 

[jillio]

Where should I have put this topic? BTW, I don't agree. I think these political buffoons that fill our airwaves have a lot to do with the attitudes of a lot of subversives that are not yet famous. The quotes are from two people affected by this shooting.

There is a direct connection between political climate and social climate. You are absolutely correct. They are mirrors of each other.

 

[saywhatkid]

There is a direct connection between political climate and social climate. You are absolutely correct. They are mirrors of each other.

It is sad that things have gotten to this point. While the men quoted might be, I was not trying to tie the nut in Arizona to Conservatives on the radio. I am trying to say "Can't we all stop and look at where this has gone to?" It was clearly a mistake. We need Muslims to kill thousands before we grudgingly allow the "other side" a sliver of respect.

 

[jillio]

It is sad that things have gotten to this point. While the men quoted might be, I was not trying to tie the nut in Arizona to Conservatives on the radio. I am trying to say "Can't we all stop and look at where this has gone to?" It was clearly a mistake. We need Muslims to kill thousands before we grudgingly allow the "other side" a sliver of respect.

Agreed. It is profoundly sad. And rather than stepping back and taking a look at how we have all contributed and attempt to make changes, folks just seem to get more intent at finding someone to blame.

 

[dogmom]

blame can be self-reinforcing but it doesn't really change anything.

 

[saywhatkid]

Agreed. It is profoundly sad. And rather than stepping back and taking a look at how we have all contributed and attempt to make changes, folks just seem to get more intent at finding someone to blame.

My intent was to take a look at the political sniping, not to add to it. Every now and then, we need to step back and say "Is this what we really want?"

 

[sallylou]

Ember, here's a place to start--addressing mental health care issues.

WASHINGTON -- In the past year, Pima County, Ariz., where Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and 19 others were shot Saturday, has seen more than 45 percent of its mental health services recipients forced off the public rolls, a service advocate told The Huffington Post.

The deep cuts in treatment were protested strongly at the time, with opponents warning that they would result in a spike in suicide attempts, public disturbances, hospitalizations and brushes with the police. But according to Clarke Romans, executive director for southern Arizona's branch of the National Alliance on Mental Illness, the state government ignored requests for relief, citing the need to implement strict budget controls.

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"So they have cut the budget on paper, in Phoenix, but they now expect the local community, like Tucson, to increase the police, the emergency room, the response to suicide attempts, incarcerations and hospital stays," he added, noting that these services are among the most expensive a local government can provide. "It's madness."

Full article here:

Nearly 50 Percent Of Mental Health Services Recipients In Giffords' County Were Dropped In 2010