Can you bear the truth?

[Cheri]

We Chrstian can't judge whatever it going to heaven or hell just because that we are not god.

You did said that my baby is not in heaven read that post you said in the first page I kept telling you that million of times already!

We also can say that Abortion is sin aganist mother. But to baby that is other issue that we are dealing. Baby with sin is clearly, but the salvation to the baby is ??. I believe is the mother is christian and spoke for forgive on their unborn would be in heaven.

No, That does not give you a right to judge! Just because it is a sin, You have sin doesn't matter if you didn't have an abortion or not. I don't go up to you and say Oh you sinned! No everyone goes to Heaven if they have Jesus in their heart. Doesn't mean you have to be a Christen to have God forgive you.

Down to my personal. I never be shamed of my comments. Why? I always learn from my mistakes and make myself better in debating for futre soceity.

Yes, You should be shame for passing out false information that doesn't stated in the bible that my baby is not in heaven, How would you know? Are you God?

That is point that we are having debating here.

How can you call that debrating? You were very blurt with me saying my baby is not in heaven, You have no idea how much that freggin hurts!!

Now are you Christian?

Is this your business to know if I am or not?

 

[Crazymanw00t]

No, it´s not true.

Why should mother makes babies sinner?
Why make babies become sinner because their mothers abort them.

First question, Yes mother made baby sin.
Second question, is no.

Crazymanw00t,
I take nobody sides but I read your first post to answer Cheri´s post over her experience with abortion carefully. I noticed that you has no feel for Cheri but show her the bible and claim that her baby is sinner.

Sure, I know that we all are sinner because Adam and Eve but Jesus come to earth to ransom and clean our sinn. Right?

First part, and that is right. I separated the issue between her experience and the baby's sin.

Second part, yes.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

You did said that my baby is not in heaven read that post you said in the first page I kept telling you that million of times already!

That's right I spoke that comments. I thought you were not Christian. Also, I found something about Christian mother and abortion baby. It changed my view on some part of abortion.

No, That does not give you a right to judge! Just because it is a sin, You have sin doesn't matter if you didn't have an abortion or not. I don't go up to you and say Oh you sinned! No everyone goes to Heaven if they have Jesus in their heart. Doesn't mean you have to be a Christen to have God forgive you.

If we put Jesus Christ in our heart and put our full faith on Jesus Christ. We believe that Jesus Christ rose from death in three days later after his death. He (Father, Son, and Holy spirit) is only one that can save our sin from going to lake of fire. Therefore it is called Christian people. Christian people are Jesus Christ's brother and Father's children.

Yes, You should be shame for passing out false information that doesn't stated in the bible that my baby is not in heaven, How would you know? Are you God?

Bible said, if the mother wasn't Christian and then unborn baby wouldn't be in heaven. I am still learning with that area. You can bring me a good fact information then I would be silence. From that point I don't have the power to say your baby is in heaven or hell. Also I am not god. I am just speaking from what I know with the bible. Why should I shame on my mistake?

I love to learn mistake. Make mistakes and then you should be perfect after you learn your mistakes.

How can you call that debrating? You were very blurt with me saying my baby is not in heaven, You have no idea how much that freggin hurts!!

That is my mistake to jump to very serious blunt. I am sorry with that. I should ask you some question to know you then I can debate with you. That is one of my weakness with my personality.

Is this your business to know if I am or not?

No, it is not my business to know your faith. You should not be shamed to express your faiths on which god. If you expressed your faith on the religious and it will heavily influence on my view with your baby's salvation or standing.

 

[jazzy]

((((((((((Cheri)))))))))) don't let them get you. As it did for me years ago and turned me into rebel against God because of them. Jesus want you and your baby so no one goes to hell.

 

[Cheri]

I shouldn't be ashamed to express my faiths? I don't have to express my faith to anyone I am not one of those Christen like you shovel bibles in people's faces. I don't think God approve that of you either. I have my faiths and I don't go around using them to hurt people, why? because I have a heart to care, to listen to have my shoulders for others to cry on. And I know every one of us in the world have sinned, I don't need to remind them. It is between God and them. The bibles states not to judged others, That is one reason why I do not do that the way you do. I guess you have a lot to confessed to God, But it makes it none of my business what you have sinned, and I should get the same back from you, It's also none of you business what I've sinned too. It's between me and God alone, Nobody else. Now zipped it!

 

[Cheri]

((((((((((Cheri)))))))))) don't let them get you. As it did for me years ago and turned me into rebel against God because of them. Jesus want you and your baby so no one goes to hell.

((((((((((((((Jazzy))))))))))))) Thank you sweetie.

 

[jazzy]

Unborn babies were never sin because they were never born, They died before they come out. The bible said we are born sinner and unborn babies are not born sinner.

To me sin mean we are separate from God after we were born and Jesus brought us to God thru him.

 

[jazzy]

I shouldn't be ashamed to express my faiths? I don't have to express my faith to anyone I am not one of those Christen like you shovel bibles in people's faces. I don't think God approve that of you either. I have my faiths and I don't go around using them to hurt people, why? because I have a heart to care, to listen to have my shoulders for others to cry on. And I know every one of us in the world have sinned, I don't need to remind them. It is between God and them. The bibles states not to judged others, That is one reason why I do not do that the way you do. I guess you have a lot to confessed to God, But it makes it none of my business what you have sinned, and I should get the same back from you, It's also none of you business what I've sinned too. It's between me and God alone, Nobody else. Now zipped it!

Amen to that.


I see people still attack my faith here on AD and other forums so I keep it to myself and only share with who share my faith. It is really sad how this America turn us into against eachother.

 

[Vance]

I shouldn't be ashamed to express my faiths? I don't have to express my faith to anyone I am not one of those Christen like you shovel bibles in people's faces. I don't think God approve that of you either. I have my faiths and I don't go around using them to hurt people, why? because I have a heart to care, to listen to have my shoulders for others to cry on. And I know every one of us in the world have sinned, I don't need to remind them. It is between God and them. The bibles states not to judged others, That is one reason why I do not do that the way you do. I guess you have a lot to confessed to God, But it makes it none of my business what you have sinned, and I should get the same back from you, It's also none of you business what I've sinned too. It's between me and God alone, Nobody else. Now zipped it!

Exactly. That's what many religious people don't get it at all... It is BETWEEN YOU AND GOD. Not between you and these Religious Right. You and Angel nailed it beautifully that no one have the rights to impose the beliefs on you or judge you. They will face the wrath of God soon or later. Just do what's right for you, yourself and your kids. That's the most important thing to do.

Yeah, jazzy nailed it hard about not let them get you. The key: be a black sheep and do not follow the white sheeps which walk to the cliff and commit suicide by jumping off the cliff.

Cheri and other women... be strong. Don't let their twisted judgment destroy you and your life.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

I don't think God approve that of you either.

Judging on me?

 

[FeistyChick]

((((((((((Cheri)))))))))) don't let them get you. As it did for me years ago and turned me into rebel against God because of them. Jesus want you and your baby so no one goes to hell.

oh you had an abortion too?? if so.. sorry i didnt mention you when i mentioned cheri, dd and meg.. i didnt mean to overlook you if i did??

 

[Cheri]

Judging on me?

I am not judging you, God have eyes right? He knows what each of us are doing at all times, I am positive sure, God is watching how you treated me in your posts here in this thread, Which God knows I was hurting really bad and that is unacceptable, If you are a true Christen like you say you are, You should know the bible says not to judge. But you decide, "Cheri is no Christen, so I am going to tell her that her baby is not in heaven" God knows He feels my pains and It was something so harsh that anyone should not have said that to anybody. That is why I said what I said above, that is different between judging and God watching. I am sorry that you do not see the same way I am seeing, Because you not using your heart to care, your using your judgment by the bible to hurt me by judging me for my abortion experience even God is the only one that knows why I had it done, It was out of my control, I was in the spot of dragging under. You have no idea because you weren't there with me. God was.

 

[TTT]

Mag

Religious people just want to do things RIGHT!!!!

It is terrible the way Cheri's parents ripped out her unborn baby like that.

Cheri and her unborn shouldn't going to hell... her parents should.
They were the ones who break one of the 10th Commandments.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

^

Oh now I see what you are trying to see from me. It is the emotional. I didn't post any related to my emotional to your experience and that is right. I wanted to do that to separate the issues between your experience and the sin of baby. I don't meant speific to your baby, alone. I was talking about all unborn babies. If you say that I was talking to your baby, only then please forgive me for that. That is my mistake. I was talking into black and white picture. Therefore it may be very blunt or too harsh facts. Again as I said that it was my mistake to not to get know you first before I debate with you.

If I were your baby's father and I will cry for like year and years. Emotional with your abortion is unexplainable. I really total understand what you are going through.
Important that you prayed for his forgive with your life and the baby's life. It is very hell to go through like that situation. Remember this, I wil always support you for those hard-time going through like that situation.

What I did, is wrong. First thing, I was mistake that I brought up wrong kind blunt facts with you to debate with it and without knowing you. Second, I should not talk without my emotional at first thing before I begin with blunts. Third, I should talk with someone that can stand with experince of abortion and debate with those issues that I debated about. Fourth, I truly not meant to point out to your baby alone. I meant to talk for all unborn babies.

Takecare, Cheri and hopefully you will recovers with those terrible experiences.

P.S. We all on www.alldeaf.com needs to look at the scales between judge and view of opinion. We we need to start debating on that issues. It would be nice to learn through our thoughts.

 

[Reba]

See? Next time keep your religious briefs to yourself Reba and Crazymanw00t; because you both think Abortion is on top of the sinned world when we all are sinners therefore what makes you both so perfect? Not.

Please re-read my posts more carefully. I never said that abortion was "on top of the sinned world". I have repeatedly stated that I am NOT perfect, that I AM a sinner saved by grace.

Reba that goes the same to you, You have no right to tell us abortion is bad, It is none of your business what those women choose would be it's between God and them not you. therefore you not God either.

I think it is fair to post the effects of abortion on mothers and babies. I see nothing wrong with showing the medical opinions of doctors about the development of the babies. I think I have the right to say that killing innocent, harmless babies for no medical reason is wrong. I cannot lie and say that it is good to kill babies.

Remember both of you, It is not your duty to judged, only God judged.

I do not judge any women who have had abortions. I can understand that your experience was and is painful. I never said anything negative about your personal experience. If this topic bothers you, maybe you should avoid reading this thread.

I guess you don't remember the pm I sent you before, with my sympathy and support for you. I am still very sorry for what you experienced with your parents, and I still believe your baby is waiting for you in Heaven, with no condemnation.

 

[jazzy]

oh you had an abortion too?? if so.. sorry i didnt mention you when i mentioned cheri, dd and meg.. i didnt mean to overlook you if i did??

Oh no I never had an abortion. Don't need any apologize but thanks again. I know what abortion did to my sister and my friends so I feel for them and all women who went thru. My comment to Cheri is not let any Christians upset her as they did to me, I was upset with them when they told me I will go to hell because of my personal belief and witness healing power of God on me when I was sick.

 

[jazzy]

I am against the law who want to put women in jail for having an abortion. I am standing with pro-choice even thou I am not for it. It is none of my business what other women do with their bodies as long as they were not put alot pressure from others to have an abortion. Roe VS Wade should stay in.

I do not like see what is going on here to make those women feel belittle because of their choice. Life here is shit and no one deserve to be attacked by those who judge them. It is same old shit as it was back in bible time. Stone women to death for having unwed babies and sex before marriage. It still goes on around the world. Terrible when people use God to punish us for our own choice. God give us the free will, I don't see it here today.

Govt and religion should stay separate.

 

[Vance]

My comment to Cheri is not let any Christians upset her as they did to me, I was upset with them when they told me I will go to hell because of my personal belief and witness healing power of God on me when I was sick.

That is common in many christianity groups. It pissed me off to no end when these people did that to non-christians.

Terrible when people use God to punish us for our own choice. God give us the free will, I don't see it here today.

My friend have a cool sign on her car. It said: "God give us the free will and Religious Right take our free will away". Amen!

Govt and religion should stay separate.

Definitely. Or America will be devolving back to Old Europe's Dark Ages.

I will say again and again... the decision about abortion is only for women to make. Not anyone but themselves. Not even God and Jesus... included governments.

 

[Cheri]

Please re-read my posts more carefully. I never said that abortion was "on top of the sinned world".

No, I did not mean that you said abortion was on the top of the sinned world, I was showing you it isn't on the top, You kept on rubbing Abortion in our face like we really murdered our baby. Abortion is a sin just like a lie is a sin, Even through nobody is perfect. But, If we say our opinion how we feel about abortion, some people are Pro-choice some are Pro-life, Therefore you jumped at Pro-choice people who believes it's the women right to choose, You did not respect those people's opinions. Understand what I am saying?

 

[Reba]

I am against the law who want to put women in jail for having an abortion.

Before Roe v. Wade, usually the person performing the abortion was arrested, not the woman. Pro-life people want to see the abortion "business" closed; they don't want to throw women in jail.