Can you bear the truth?

[Cheri]

Aww Thanks DreamDeaf and Zesty.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

oh come on you people!! this thread is MAKING ME SICK!!! i am sick and tired of people saying how bad abortion is blah blah!!! i dont believe in abortion either.... but WHEN IT COMES TO PERSONAL REASONS.. i dont see anything wrong with it.. period.. SHEESH.. stop it you people!! why do you have to keep criticizing cheri, dd and meg!?? come on! stop it please!!! we are all entitled to our own frigging opinions...

i bet you have some ugly secrets that you dont have the gall to expose.. so i APPLAUD cheri, dd and meggie for coming forward with their most shameful secrets!!! so hush your dirty mouths up!! it was SO BIG of them to do this!! sheesh!

we are just here to share our stories, opinions, feelings, input, feeback, experiences.. etc.. and LAST OF ALL SUPPORT.. but not to be PUT DOWN OR DEGRADED/CRITICIZED!! if you dont like it.. keep your damn mouth shut.. simple as that!! i havent said anything in this thread all along ... cuz i dont like anything that is being said.. but when i see this thread being endless.. i just want to put an end to this before people get boiled and end up being banned!! come on! please!!

what did alex say!!?? please respect others!! damn you guys!!! wake up!!

Thank you very much!!!!!

I am not here to against anything but information over pro and con. I say once more again. I´m neutral and JUDGE NOBODY but trying to convince pro-abortion.


I wont say anything more. I´m very disappoint with you for saying this.

I cant beleive some of you agree with her!!!!!!!!

 

[PrincessTabu]

Sighhhh, Reba, in my opinion and belief, when you start a debate with a false "conclusion" like that, you make dialogue impossible, because you leave no room whatsoever for people of different faiths to share in it. The only thing you do in that situation is offend them, which you seem to revel in.
What IS it with you????

That's the whole plan. There's never supposed to be respect for other faiths or other thoughts. The dangerous thing about it is that these people are often very intelligent. They can discredit you to the point you're speechless, they've controlled the whole thing, and the only thing you know is that you feel really crummy. All the fanatics have the power to do this. Who would've thought our country would be controlled by the religious right. They have control in all aspects of government, corporations, in our justice system, everywhere. They even have controlled our role in the World Health Organization. You can't ever sit by and think, oh, they're so nuts nobody would ever buy it. They play off fear and control. They are extremely well coordinated and thought out, unlike the rest of us who just want to live and let live. That's why they are very dangerous. As for Reba, you're right, she loves to goad people, which is why I've decided not to acknowledge her when she gets into her religious psycho-babble. The less attention she gets the better.

 

[FeistyChick]

Thank you very much!!!!!

I am not here to against anything but information over pro and con. I say once more again. I´m neutral and JUDGE NOBODY but trying to convince pro-abortion.


I wont say anything more. I´m very disappoint with you for saying this.

I cant beleive some of you agree with her!!!!!!!!

are you saying you are upset that i made that post?
i am just frustrated cuz people are giving cheri, dd and meg a hard time about their abortion experiences and criticizing them when it is none of their business.. they dont have to like it or agree with them.. they need to keep their opinions and beliefs to themselves.. thats all i was trying to come across in this thread.. i hope i am making it clear??

 

[Angel]

No, babies do not go to hell. They have a sin nature, but they are too young to actually commit any sins.

Thank you very much Reba, ...

 

[Angel]

Oh dear :Ohno: ...

Guys please let's not get carried away here, I can see where Reba is coming from, I also can see where Liebling is coming from and the others as well....

The only issue I am seeing is how some of them had shared their stories and they were put down just cause some people are totally against abortion, I am too but I am not like the others who would hurt someone's feelings just because this person has an abortion....Every women had done it for a reason, it can be a good reason or a bad reason, but at least we are able to respect them , I don't believe we shall judge them no matter how the story ends, but to feel them , to understand them, to know the saddness it was for them when it comes to making a choice on getting an abortion, I wish some people will put aside the bible for a moment and understand where these women are coming from, they have feelings too, have a heart will ya!

That's all I wanted to say....

 

[Cheri]

Liebling)) sweetie,

Zesty isn't talking about you, She is talking about those who rubs their religious brief's on others like those who already had the abortion.

 

[FeistyChick]

oh come on you people!! this thread is MAKING ME SICK!!! i am sick and tired of people saying how bad abortion is blah blah!!! i dont believe in abortion either.... but WHEN IT COMES TO PERSONAL REASONS.. i dont see anything wrong with it.. period.. SHEESH.. stop it you people!! why do you have to keep criticizing cheri, dd and meg!?? come on! stop it please!!! we are all entitled to our own frigging opinions...

i bet you have some ugly secrets that you dont have the gall to expose.. so i APPLAUD cheri, dd and meggie for coming forward with their most shameful secrets!!! so hush your dirty mouths up!! it was SO BIG of them to do this!! sheesh!

we are just here to share our stories, opinions, feelings, input, feeback, experiences.. etc.. and LAST OF ALL SUPPORT.. but not to be PUT DOWN OR DEGRADED/CRITICIZED!! if you dont like it.. keep your damn mouth shut.. simple as that!! i havent said anything in this thread all along ... cuz i dont like anything that is being said.. but when i see this thread being endless.. i just want to put an end to this before people get boiled and end up being banned!! come on! please!!

what did alex say!!?? please respect others!! damn you guys!!! wake up!!

i forgot to add the word JUDGE.. i am also sick of ppl like crazy, etc.. judging cheri, dd and meg ... it is not fair to judge them for what they did.. they had to do what they did for a good reason.. so leave them alone.. please stop JUDGING THEM like angel said.. thanks.

EDIT: and also try to BE SENSITIVE to others' feelings as well!! life is a bitch.. but we live with our mistakes.. imagine the pain/guilt that they are living with up to this day!?!? .. so please stop making it harder than it already is for cheri, dd and meggie! sheeesh!!

 

[Beowulf]

I totally agree with you, Zesty.
Of COURSE "they" will DENY that they are judging.
Huh???? They incessantly point out that it is "murder", it is terrible, it is awful, etc. and then say innocently, "We are not judging." Bullcrap. Yes they are.
Lunatics.
What the issue REALLY is about is CONTROL.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Zesty, your post got me wondering and feeling that I´m one of people who make you feel sick because you named Meg, Cheri & DD only in your post.

I know people here who judge Cheri & DD, which it´s not right. Yes, I know it´s silly to say that unborn baby is sinner.

Okay, forget my last post and come to hug me!

 

[Vance]

Abortion is legal on social economic grounds until at least 12 weeks in all of the following countries: Albania, Armenia, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Russia, Slovak Republic, Sweden, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom, Cyprus, Finland, Iceland, Luxembourg, Switzerland (since June 2001)

I didnt know about Sweden's abortion legal for Americans women.

As far as I know that there're abortion legal in Holland and England who accept people from other countries.

Alots of Germans went to Holland to have an abortion before the law changed in 1996.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1262302,00.html

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,917500,00.html (I didnt know about this).

Soon, it will be legal service for americans-women. My friend told me that they are waiting for the morons in Supreme Court/Bush to remove women's rights. Once they did, they will open the clinics immediately. That's what I understand from my friend who is an politican. Culture, technology, services, governments, etc etc in Sweden are like 30 - 50 years ahead of everything in America.

Within 12 weeks, abortion will be free but after 12 weeks, women will have to pay the fee for abortion. That will be up to 24 - 30 weeks, after that, I think it is illegal to abortion. I am not sure... I have to look again to find that article. I lost the bookmarks thru HD crashed.

A physician may be fined or imprisoned up to six months for refusing to comply with a woman’s request for a first trimester abortion, or failing to refer her to the National Board of Health.

Nice! That's why Sweden choose to be the best country for women and their rights.

Anyway about your links, that's good news about Germany! Seem that more than half of world are evolving to better countries while America is devolving back to Old Europe's Dark Ages.

 

[TTT]

Whoa!!!!

Speific to that quote. It is not true, your baby is not in heaven. Why? You are sinners and you carry out your sinners to your baby. Therefore your baby is sinners, because of Adam and Eve carried out their sinners to everyone of us. I can get verses for that. I know it is too blunt but you deserve the truth answer, nothing else than lie or hypocritie.

Of course we will love you with no matter what. May Jesus Christ bless on you.

Did you watched the movie, Luther,
it is about a man named Martin Luther...
He was a MONK.... and
he said that you can pray and confess your sin
and pray to God to make sure your baby is
in heaven.
We all should pray and ask God to take the baby in his arms.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

Next time keep your religious briefs to yourself Reba and Crazymanw00t; because you both think Abortion is on top of the sinned world when we all are sinners therefore what makes you both so perfect? Not.

Did I say abortion is top of sin? No way I said all sins are one sin. We christian are not perfect because we are in sin world, the father of lair. We never said, that we are perfect holy people. We are worthless without Jesus Christ. We depends on Jesus Christ for our holiness.

We need to spread the gospel to everyone in world to know the truth words from Jesus Christ. If we kept our words and then I don't know how the world would look like. That's why we are bring up gospel at everywhere and everytime. You may hate it and it doesn't bother me and it going to bother you, lot.

Crazymanw00t; Therefore on page one you said I am a sinner and carries out my baby is a sinner, Once I seek God for my forgivings, I no longer a sinner for that crime. So you were wrong to call me that, when it not your place to say that to me, You are not my God. My God already forgotten about the sinned I did, It was forgotten, You had to bring that up and rub it in my face which was wrong upon your part, You should be very shame of yourself.

Reba that goes the same to you, You have no right to tell us abortion is bad, It is none of your business what those women choose would be it's between God and them not you. therefore you not God either.

Remember both of you, It is not your duty to judged, only God judged. Leave us alone now, We don't want to hear anymore preaching from either of you.

We Chrstian can't judge whatever it going to heaven or hell just because that we are not god. We are not god and please don't believe or say that we are god. We are worthless without God. We must depends on Father, Jesus Christ and Holy spirit. We can bring up the issues which they are wrong or right with the gospel.

We have the right to say Abortion is bad and we have right to say Abortion is good. Why? We have freedom to speak for anything unless insulting or brawl and etc. We are here to speak up that ABORTION IS BAD! ABORTION DO KILL PEOPLE JUST LIKE MURDER. That is our view of Abortion. We also can say that Abortion is sin aganist mother. But to baby that is other issue that we are dealing. Baby with sin is clearly, but the salvation to the baby is ??. I believe is the mother is christian and spoke for forgive on their unborn would be in heaven. That is something that I found out recently.

Down to my personal. I never be shamed of my comments. Why? I always learn from my mistakes and make myself better in debating for futre soceity. That is point that we are having debating here. You can just say I am wrong and don't debate anymore. You have the right with free of speak. We can take your words or not. I just stated that one of your quote was wrong. So we had long debate to understand with our position of views. You just seems saying that it is wrong, it is wrong without explaining. That is why I am asking for more debates to understand your views and also to clear up my view of position. You seems that you haven't reached to my view yet. Why? You think that we are preaching on you, acutally it is not. We are here to understand eachother's view with explaining and supports.

Now I discovered that you may be Christian and now it is way different view that I had with my first post.

Now are you Christian?

P.S. This is not personal fight, and it is knowledge fight.
P.S.S. I am not talking about how women went through with abortion. I am focusing on the salvation, and sin upon the baby and the mother. That area is something of my interest to grow my knowledge with that area.

 

[FeistyChick]

Zesty, your post got me wondering and feeling that I´m one of people who make you feel sick because you named Meg, Cheri & DD only in your post.

I know people here who judge Cheri & DD, which it´s not right. Yes, I know it´s silly to say that unborn baby is sinner.

Okay, forget my last post and come to hug me!

oh no no dear.. sorry for the misunderstanding.. i was frustrated with certain members for going on and on in judging cheri, dd and meg for having an abortion when they had their valid reasons... it is not like they INTENTIONALLY did it because they didn't want the baby, etc .. if you get my drift.. some members made them felt like dirt/shit as they were judged harshly instead of being supported and heard out for their reasons.... thats all.. and really it is NONE OF THEIR DAMN BUSINESS.. and i wish people in general would just listen.. and support instead of butting in and critizing/judging others.. and if they dont like it.. just keep it to themselves.. thats all.. nothing to do with you.. smile.. here is a BIG

 

[Vance]

That's the whole plan. There's never supposed to be respect for other faiths or other thoughts. The dangerous thing about it is that these people are often very intelligent. They can discredit you to the point you're speechless, they've controlled the whole thing, and the only thing you know is that you feel really crummy. All the fanatics have the power to do this. Who would've thought our country would be controlled by the religious right. They have control in all aspects of government, corporations, in our justice system, everywhere. They even have controlled our role in the World Health Organization. You can't ever sit by and think, oh, they're so nuts nobody would ever buy it. They play off fear and control. They are extremely well coordinated and thought out, unlike the rest of us who just want to live and let live. That's why they are very dangerous. As for Reba, you're right, she loves to goad people, which is why I've decided not to acknowledge her when she gets into her religious psycho-babble. The less attention she gets the better.

Yup. That will be disaster for everyone if Religious Right takes over the control. That is quite scary. It made me glad that Sweden government is working on certain system to forbid Right people from having the seat in 'power' for government. Religious Right people are berserkers and very, very dangerous specie on this earth. But... we cannot afford to be passive about it. Here's good quote: "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing". That's what we have to do to fight for women's rights... by fighting against these Religious Right and Bush to defend women's rights. I know it can be useless or problematic because of their idolatry but we have to do something. Again, we cannot afford to be passive and let them destory women's rights about abortion.

I totally agree with you, Zesty.
Of COURSE "they" will DENY that they are judging.
Huh???? They incessantly point out that it is "murder", it is terrible, it is awful, etc. and then say innocently, "We are not judging." Bullcrap. Yes they are.
Lunatics.
What the issue REALLY is about is CONTROL.

Exactly. It is all about controlling. That is Religious Right's long wet dream. All they want is control people's lives. They start with abortion.. once they did remove women's rights, they will attack the liberals or any freethinkers next. Just wait.

Cheri, Liebling and zesty, good posts!

Honestly, when I read these posts in this topic... I am very, very glad that in Sweden, the abortion is legal and everything. They understand the women's needs and take care of them as much as they can. That's real 'humans' for you. Three cheers for Sweden

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes true, I´m agree with you, Zesty because anyone should be good listener instead of judge them.

for respond my post


EDIT: Magastu, it´s good that Swedish are plan to help people from other countries.

 

[Angel]

Crazymanw00t ,

Ok, you said you are Christian, have you read the part in the bible say, we shall not judge, you just judge her and her unborn baby by saying her baby is in hell not in heaven, isn't that judging?...

If you are not trying to pretend you are not God, then why are you making a decision based on the baby is in hell not in heaven...

Yet, if you are spreading around God's word in the bible, yet you are speading the wrong information because the Bible does not tell us that the baby will go to hell once the mother abort her baby, there you were wrong in that part, but then again, isn't it a sin if you spread the wrong words about God which it doesn't say so in the bible...

 

[Cheri]

I know now that my baby is safe in the arms of our heavenly Father, and I believe she/he isn't dead but alive in heaven.

Speific to that quote. It is not true, your baby is not in heaven. Why? You are sinners and you carry out your sinners to your baby. Therefore your baby is sinners, because of Adam and Eve carried out their sinners to everyone of us. I can get verses for that. I know it is too blunt but you deserve the truth answer, nothing else than lie or hypocritie

here the link you posted in another thread ...http://www.bible.com/answers/aabort.html
I also found that quote in that website I just provide above

God has your child in heaven with Him, and longs to forgive you if you ask Him to. Once God forgives a sin, He literally forgets it,

No, babies do not go to hell. They have a sin nature, but they are too young to actually commit any sins

All babies are born as sinners. It means if they were 1 sec years old and they are sinners anyway. Same thing as inside their womb.

Makes a baby a sinner when the Mother aborted a baby?

Now I see your misunderstood. Mother do not cause the sin aganist baby because of Mother decided to abort the baby procession.

Now, Can you see how you twisting your story around Crazymanw00t, Now you see why I don't buy your stories. Now you even said I misunderstood too much, Well looks like, It's you that misunderstood your own posts.

 

[TTT]

Catholic

the baby is not a sinner if it is aborted... because it was not yet
born.

And plus, the baby has to be baptize before they become 3 years old.

In order to save their soul.

But Cheri's unborn baby isn't a sinner... so therefore, the baby
isn't going to hell.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Originally Posted by Cheri
Makes a baby a sinner when the Mother aborted a baby?

No, it´s not true.

Why should mother makes babies sinner?

Why make babies become sinner because their mothers abort them.


Yes, I am agree with you, Angel over that "Judging".


Crazymanw00t,
I take nobody sides but I read your first post to answer Cheri´s post over her experience with abortion carefully. I noticed that you has no feel for Cheri but show her the bible and claim that her baby is sinner.

Sure, I know that we all are sinner because Adam and Eve but Jesus come to earth to ransom and clean our sinn. Right?