Can you bear the truth?

[Crazymanw00t]

We all born sinner because of Adam and Eve then we have another kind of sins which we commit daily. Those unborn babies did not committed those sins because they never made it outside. They went home to heaven.

I disagree with that. All babies are born as sinners. It means if they were 1 sec years old and they are sinners anyway. Same thing as inside their womb.

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Look, I have very understanding with those people who had no choice to go ahead with abortion. I stated that comments before, Whatever we do bad things can be used for good purposes.

I am here just to point out with the bible according to the unborn children, are they sinners or not. That is whole my point is. Remember this, I am not perfect with knowledge with the bible. I am still learning. I may be wrong but I need to see prove that I am wrong.

I am speaking aganist abortion because I am pro-life. I do understand in very critical situation like rape or life/death to give born child. Well, I believe in some women are little selfish with their life over the children. Sometime youi had the choice like this, you die by giving birth or abortion the child and save ur life. It is little selfish thing over that situation if women decides to save herself.

 

[DreamDeaf]

Crazywoot -

I think you need to listen to Codger. He seems to know what he is talking about. A unborn baby is without sin, since he has NOT been born. period.

 

[Cheri]

I disagree with that. All babies are born as sinners. It means if they were 1 sec years old and they are sinners anyway. Same thing as inside their womb.

:-o How the heck is a baby a sinner, When a baby is in a womb, growing or not growing makes a baby a sinner? Makes a baby a sinner when the Mother aborted a baby? The more you talk trash the more you going to make yourself look bad, God is watching... remember that.

 

[Vance]

I do not like the idea of put any mother to jail because they broke the law and men get away with for having sex with women. BS. Men should go to jail for put the women thru hell.

I am a man and I completely agree with you.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

Crazywoot -

I think you need to listen to Codger. He seems to know what he is talking about. A unborn baby is without sin, since he has NOT been born. period.

Where is the prove? I already points out that everyone is sinners and unborn, too.

Remember this we are in limit of knowledge world because of we are in father of lair's (SIN) world.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Cheri, Oceanbreeze and Dreamdeaf: Very, very good posts...

Like what Oceanbreeze said, this topic is very one-sided... I will post the other side of truth later. I had this ex who had a abortion... Honestly, I am not pro-choice or pro-life.. I am ALL FOR WOMEN WHO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS FOR THIER OWN BODIES AND THEIR LIVES. Not government. Not Religious Right. Not Bible Humpers. Not God. Not Jesus. Not men. It is WOMEN. No one else. Women have the rights to make their own decisions for their bodies and their future.

Reba or Religious Right, if you don't like the conception of abortion then don't 'abort'. That's all you need to do really...

People, keep that in your mind... these 'facts' that Reba posted is based off faith-based doctors or scientists' biased researches. Not logic-based people so these 'facts' are quite dangerous to be 'reliable' to make a decision. Numbers and numbers of logic-based scientists/doctors in Germany, England, Sweden, Switzerland, and other countries already debunked these faith-based scientists/doctors' biased researches & 'facts' in America. But again, don't let their facts (both logic-based and faith-based) to make a decision for you... You are the one who makes the final decision for your baby. Not government. Not non-freethinking Religious Right. Not Freethinking Liberals.

btw, women.. Europe included Sweden is working on open the 'clinics' for American-women to have the abortion if morons in Supreme Court remove your rights for making a decision about abortion. All women need to do is buy the airplane ticket and go there. They will not write down or input anything in any kind of record if any of you plan to have a abortion in Europe so that they will protect you from these Religious Right berserkers. They know that what Religious Right plan to do is morally wrong and against Jesus's teaching about imposing the beliefs on you. That's small 'good news' for you. Cheers.

One last thing, it sickens me when people start to use the bible against you women... so-called 'sinner'. God and Jesus forbids that kind of ridiculous thing (imposing their beliefs on you or judge you).. I will start with the abortion debate by post the topic, 'Abortion is NOT a sin' to use the bible against them. Check my topic in 30 mins or so. Also please be sure to check The_Heretic's wonderful topic: How to think like a Christian to provide the insight in Christians and their brains about the bible thingy.

Once again... Cheri, Oceanbreeze and Dreamdeaf, very good posts No one on this earth have the rights to judge or impose their beliefs on you. You, who make the decision for your baby and your life. Not them. Be strong... don't let them (included me) change your mind with their 'facts'.

Thank you Magatsu!

It's all I am asking for...The simple acknowledgment that, as a woman, I have the right to decide what happens to my body. No one else has that right. Period!

 

[Crazymanw00t]

Makes a baby a sinner when the Mother aborted a baby?

Now I see your misunderstood. Mother do not cause the sin aganist baby because of Mother decided to abort the baby procession.

It is all about Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve sinned and then we all are sinners, period.

 

[Fly Free]

I disagree with that. All babies are born as sinners. It means if they were 1 sec years old and they are sinners anyway. Same thing as inside their womb.

crazyman -- i so totally DISAGREE with u -- i have NEVER heard of a child who was born and automatically had sinned that does NOT make sense to me period! :roll:

 

[Vance]

Remember this we are in limit of knowledge world because of we are in father of lair's (SIN) world.

I disagree. We are the one who limit ourselves. There is no limit in knowledge. None whatsoever.

Who found the sun is not revolving around the earth? Who found that earth is not flat? Many things... scientists or logic-based people did. Not religious people. My topic that I posted hit me hard... Bible Humpers' blasphemy and idolatry limited us and our knowledge, not in other way.

I can rant a bit more but it will be offtopic so I need to stop myself before getting more offtopic than it should be.

 

[Cheri]

Now I see your misunderstood. Mother do not cause the sin aganist baby because of Mother decided to abort the baby procession.

It is all about Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve sinned and then we all are sinners, period.

My misunderstood??????????

This is what you stated on page one pay attention very clearly to what you posted!

Speific to that quote. It is not true, your baby is not in heaven. Why? You are sinners and you carry out your sinners to your baby. Therefore your baby is sinners, because of Adam and Eve carried out their sinners to everyone of us. I can get verses for that. I know it is too blunt but you deserve the truth answer, nothing else than lie or hypocritie.

 

[Cheri]

^ also read your posted about "it is not true your baby is not in heaven"


*ahem* here the link you posted in another thread ...http://www.bible.com/answers/aabort.html

I also found that quote in that website I just provide above

God has your child in heaven with Him, and longs to forgive you if you ask Him to. Once God forgives a sin, He literally forgets it,

 

[Oceanbreeze]

No. It means that HE can find passages in the Bible which say we are all born with the propensity to sin. An unborn child has neither the means, opportunity, or motive to commit a sin either of commision, or of omission.

(edit) not knowing the gender of posters

Exactly. The bible has been used over and over again to impune women. I've said this before, and I'll say it again... The decision to terminate should not be taken lightly. As was demonstrated by the women on here, their decisions to terminate was an incredibly difficult one for them, and the last thing they need is to see is someone spouting religious dogma at them. This is why I truly believe that these threads only serve to manipulate rather than provoke real understanding.

Deaf dream, Cheri and Meg:

I admire each of you for having the strength to go through your situations. I truly do. Like Beowolf said above, DO NOT let ANYONE judge you. If you feel you did the only thing you could do, then, that's all that matters.

 

[Vance]

Thank you Magatsu!

It's all I am asking for...The simple acknowledgment that, as a woman, I have the right to decide what happens to my body. No one else has that right. Period!

No problem! I know the feeling. Believe me. I am a very sensitive guy. I can relate how you feel about these ridiculous things.

Oppressed on women must stop right now. We are in millennium age for damn sake...

 

[Angel]

Also Romans 5:16-17
16 And the result of God's gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man's sin. For Adam's sin led to condemnation, but we have the free gift of being accepted by God, even though we are guilty of many sins. 17 The sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over us, but all who receive God's wonderful, gracious gift of righteousness will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ.

So we all are sinners even unborn still have sinners.
If you don't believe what the bible said, then I can't express the truth answer.

Of course, we all born as a sinner yet a unborn hasn't lived once it was taken out of the mother's womb meaning the innocent baby hasn't commit any sin in the eye of God, so it doesn't prove that the baby went to hell, why? because the baby never commit a sin in the first place....

Still you have not show me one proof that say in the bible that God send baby to hell cause the mother abort her baby...

 

[Angel]

Well, I believe in some women are little selfish with their life over the children. Sometime youi had the choice like this, you die by giving birth or abortion the child and save ur life. It is little selfish thing over that situation if women decides to save herself.

I do respect your brief there Crazyman, but however I have one question to ask you, how is it selfish for a woman who need an abortion in order to save her own life?...

I am against abortion myself and I know what the bible tells me yet, I don't go around telling women how selfish it is to them to abort their babies in order to save a life of their own, what makes you think the baby will live once the woman does carry the baby full terms?.....If the mother isn't healthy enough for her to carry the baby full terms the chances are both of them could have died when the mother already know her chance on surviving is slim if she carry her unborn child to full terms, so tell me how selfish is that??...

I believe it the women choice to do whatever it takes since God gave us free will on earth to make our own choices whether or not is may be a bad jugdement still they can always seek God for forgiven as everyone sin from time to time, and I know I have too, but that doesn't mean I am going to hell for a few mistakes I made in my life or whatever sin I commit in the Eyes of God....

 

[Crazymanw00t]

If the mother isn't healthy enough for her to carry the baby full terms the chances are both of them could have died when the mother already know her chance on surviving is slim if she carry her unborn child to full terms, so tell me how selfish is that??

I believe it the women choice to do whatever it takes since God gave us free will on earth to make our own choices whether or not is may be a bad jugdement still they can always seek God for forgiven as everyone sin from time to time, and I know I have too, but that doesn't mean I am going to hell for a few mistakes I made in my life or whatever sin I commit in the Eyes of God....

I know, abortion is very hot to debate with it. There is no right or wrong on like that situation. Well, some women have different scales with their judgement over the abortion issues. For example, some women went to party at stranger place and partied with drugs. They got date-rape and they are preg. I would say it is her's fault and at same time the man's fault, too. That situation should not allow abortion right to them. As you said, Woman may die and the baby die, too. Only choice to abort the child to order save the mother. That situation is hot debate. I would grant the right to the woman for abortion situation because it is all about scarfices.

We all are sinners, and we may go to hell, if we don't confess Jesus Christ is our Lord. That issue can be debate on other thread.

 

[Crazymanw00t]

Of course, we all born as a sinner yet a unborn hasn't lived once it was taken out of the mother's womb meaning the innocent baby hasn't commit any sin in the eye of God, so it doesn't prove that the baby went to hell, why? because the baby never commit a sin in the first place....

Still you have not show me one proof that say in the bible that God send baby to hell cause the mother abort her baby...

Adam and Eve sinned, therefore we are sinners. We gave birth and they are sinners anyway because we passes over our sins to the children. The sins came from long time ago from Adam and Eve's time. That is the point. It is a fair system from God. We rebelled aganist God's holy. That is where sin came from. Whatever we do goods and never do bad things and we are still sinners, anyway. It applies to unborn or few seconds born children.

 

[Cheri]

Crazymanw00t, You still have not answer both of my posts above, does that mean I am correct and you are wrong? And don't even care to admit it huh?

 

[Crazymanw00t]

Crazymanw00t, You still have not answer both of my posts above, does that mean I am correct and you are wrong? And don't even care to admit it huh?

Heh, I already answered it. If I knew I was wrong then I will declare that my message is wrong.

2nd question, with the statement of "Hell" I really can't delcare that is right because I am not god. I can debate that baby is sined.

Breaking Information, I found something about Christian family with abortion. They said that their child can go to heaven because of their mother was Christian. I am looking more on that info. From that I will bring it to you, guys.

 

[Cheri]

Heh, I already answered it. If I knew I was wrong then I will declare that my message is wrong.

2nd question, with the statement of "Hell" I really can't delcare that is right because I am not god. I can debate that baby is sined.

Breaking Information, I found something about Christian family with abortion. They said that their child can go to heaven because of their mother was Christian. I am looking more on that info. From that I will bring it to you, guys.

^ I am am this close pressing ignored button. I think you are not even reading what you said earlier to me on first page and Now you twisting your story around, Please answer my question again in this thread, what you posted and your reason why you stated it. This answers above are not answering my questions at all. *sigh*