California Proposition Eight - Ban on Same-Sex Marriage

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lsfoster said:
So I have to add my two cents, but I'll try to do it quickly.

1) This is not an argument about people's views on homosexuality. Even if you disagree with it, it doesn't justify taking away someone's rights. This is why we banned slavery, or gave women the right to vote, and it should be unquestionable.

2) This is also not an argument about anyone's religious views. First of all, your interpretation of the bible is your own. I am perfectly happy with the knowledge that God loves me, made me who I am, and that the bible says nothing against my lifestyle. None of that has any bearing on what rights I should be afforded by the government.

3) If a ballot ever comes up to allow people to marry animals, then we can discuss that. Until then, comparing gay marriage to bestiality is just ridiculous, and a really pathetic way to try to explain your own bigotry.

4) If you try to define marriage as in any way being tied to the act of procreation, then you're going to have a whole lot of people fighting you. Unless you're going to fight to invalidate the marriage of every infertile couple, childless couple, or anyone who's adopted a child, then you have absolutely no argument except, again, trying to misleadingly distract others from your bigotry.

5) Being entitled to have an opinion does not give you the right to take away the rights of someone else as a human being.

6) The male and female organs were not "made for each other". Please move on. I guarantee that there are a hell of a lot of things that you can either fit your **** into, or fit into a woman that you wouldn't consider being "made for each other". By that argument, a woman should be allowed to marry anything remotely phallus-shaped, and a man should be able to marry anything he can fit himself into. It also happens to conveniently avoid mentioning where God got the idea for the prostate, since that doesn't happen to fit that argument.

7) Please stop saying that homosexuality is "unnatural", I really don't feel like having to go back and dig up all the studies on how normal homosexuality is within just about every species on the earth.


Hope I didn't miss anything.
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Another new law that cause nothing but continue more problems for others that are harmless and innocent. :(
 
deafdyke said:
Depends on your interpretation of verses. There are some christians who interpret the Bible as being OK with GLB folks.
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Some are, some aren't. It varies. Personally this is one of the reasons why I'm not a christian because I simply don't understand why god would care so much what a couple of gays or lesbians did in bed together when there is so much evil in the world. Wouldn't God have more pressing matters at hand?

I wish their was a way of seperating all the good stuff from religion such as not killing anybody and generally leading moral lifestyles and still being tolerant about those with diferances at the same time since that's what it boils down to really.

I'm Bisexual but I haven't slept with anyone of either sex for about 8 years.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
It's okay for you to say that you entitle your opinion but why can't I allow to share the fact about Hitler's history over Jews then?

You cannot have both ways...
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Oh, gee you don't get it, do you ? I don't think you understand. :roll:
 
PowerON said:
This is America, it's people's choice. People look at smoker puffing in mall, they think it's bother us. They complain to City of Hall. They argue and choke each other. Voting to make up to settle the rule, policy, law or whatever, we obey it.
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PowerON said:
Huh? Are you on drug? I swear you didn't listen that well, aren't ya? That's terrible excuse. Do you not know there is no smoke in the mall? I'm not talk about tobacco industry and Government. Good grief.
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You did speak about tobacco and government.

My brother-in-law (and he will always be my brother-in-law no matter what a bunch of people say) sent me a picture. There are, already, a lot of lawyers stepping up to fight the unfair proposition.

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Wokamuka said:
You did speak about tobacco and government.

My brother-in-law (and he will always be my brother-in-law no matter what a bunch of people say) sent me a picture. There are, already, a lot of lawyers stepping up to fight the unfair proposition.

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I have always loved the rainbow flag. It is beautiful.
 
PowerON said:
It could be happen after whole same-sex on planet take over, then new people rant as they demand human-animal marriage. Then next, everybody will rant as they demand human-ailen from other universal.

Then next, we want to marry with atoms (mean anything!) :lol:
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This is known as the slippery slope fallacy.
 
Maria, it's so wrong to compare with human/animal and male/male persons relationships. They are NOT the same or similar thing, besides, homosexual people are a human being, too.

Let me re-tell you a story. I personally met two mommies and they were married, and they had kids. Those wonderful mommies did raise their kids (one had a kid and another had two kids) pretty well because the mommies did so amazing women. Their kids are still good children. So, clearly, those both heter and homo marraiges are a lot of similar intentions. Are you tell me that those mommies are not so natural because they are just... a gay? Hell, no! They are not doing so evil stuff, really, they know their own morals as usual like heter people do.

I don't see how you should compare someone with a something, otherwise I also don't see why you should be allowed to live with yours. =/

Anyway, I just don't like when they think homo marriage is better than heter marriage. It's so shallow and pointless to think like that. Both are just similar, that's it. 'Nuff said.
 
lsfoster said:
Then what exactly was the relevance of asking how we felt about someone marrying an animal?
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There is absulotely no comparision at all. If one wants to discuss the morality of marriage, stick with humans, not animals, plants, rocks, or whatever else that is not human.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Maria, it's so wrong to compare with human/animal and male/male persons relationships. They are NOT the same or similar thing, besides, homosexual people are a human being, too.

Let me re-tell you a story. I personally met two mommies and they were married, and they had kids. Those wonderful mommies did raise their kids (one had a kid and another had two kids) pretty well because the mommies did so amazing women. Their kids are still good children. So, clearly, those both heter and homo marraiges are a lot of similar intentions. Are you tell me that those mommies are not so natural because they are just... a gay? Hell, no! They are not doing so evil stuff, really, they know their own morals as usual like heter people do.

I don't see how you should compare someone with a something, otherwise I also don't see why you should be allowed to live with yours. =/

Anyway, I just don't like when they think homo marriage is better than heter marriage. It's so shallow and pointless to think like that. Both are just similar, that's it. 'Nuff said.
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I felt a little insulted when she compared us to the animals, but thanks for a good post :)
 
Someone was telling me of a guy who wants to marry his tractor for the tax advantages. :lol:
 
PuyoPiyo said:
I felt a little insulted when she compared us to the animals, but thanks for a good post :)
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Welcome :) Oh, yes, I'm aware that those mommies with their family are not so prefect but they just try do their best thing as a being parent like heter parents do. :):)
 
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Tousi said:
Someone was telling me of a guy who wants to marry his tractor for the tax advantages. :lol:
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LOL

I have a question. When 2 gays/lesbians marry, whos the husband, whos the wife? Seriously id like to know. Personally i could care the hell less what 2 people want to do in their bedrooms, what sexual orientation they are or whatever, but i wouldnt even call it a marriage, but more of a union or something. And if people want to "reconize" it as a marriage, more power to them. I'll probaly never call it that because to me a marriage consists of a husband and a wife. Just my personal opinion.
 
dead money said:
LOL

I have a question. When 2 gays/lesbians marry, whos the husband, whos the wife? Seriously id like to know. Personally i could care the hell less what 2 people want to do in their bedrooms, what sexual orientation they are or whatever, but i wouldnt even call it a marriage, but more of a union or something. And if people want to "reconize" it as a marriage, more power to them. I'll probaly never call it that because to me a marriage consists of a husband and a wife. Just my personal opinion.
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I don't mean to attack your personal opinion, but just asking, what if we only consider a man and a woman relationship as only union just like the same sex relationship, without an religious marriage?
 
dead money said:
LOL

I have a question. When 2 gays/lesbians marry, whos the husband, whos the wife? Seriously id like to know. Personally i could care the hell less what 2 people want to do in their bedrooms, what sexual orientation they are or whatever, but i wouldnt even call it a marriage, but more of a union or something. And if people want to "reconize" it as a marriage, more power to them. I'll probaly never call it that because to me a marriage consists of a husband and a wife. Just my personal opinion.
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I and over three million CA voters would agree with you.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
I don't mean to attack your personal opinion, but just asking, what if we only consider a man and a woman relationship as only union just like the same sex relationship, without an religious marriage?
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i suppose it could be called a union as well. Ive just always thought of marriage is just being cojoined together as a husband and a wife, but if 2 gay men want to marry, no problemo...im just the kind of guy who would rather fuck with the protesters than an actual "taboo" wedding.
 
dead money said:
i suppose it could be called a union as well. Ive just always thought of marriage is just being cojoined together as a husband and a wife, but if 2 gay men want to marry, no problemo...im just the kind of guy who would rather fuck with the protesters than an actual "taboo" wedding.
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How was the same sex marriage an taboo? What if I consider the straight marriage as taboo too?
 
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