California Bill AB 2027

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kokonut said:
Oh, you'd be surprised.
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Did it? I pretty much thought the high price put it out. And I have not seen one in a business or for public use.
 
A said:
Some deaf rely on text, writing, etc. if not ASL to be successful

Like this: HOME - sComm Online
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That's a different kind of success which allows one to successful communicate with hearing people. There are native ASL signers who user that communication device to help improve their successful interaction with hearing people. It makes good business sense in a lot of ways to do that.
 
Bottesini said:
Did it? I pretty much thought the high price put it out. And I have not seen one in a business or for public use.
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Oh, again, you'll be surprised. Just because it's not in your area doesn't mean it's not growing or expanding.
 
kokonut said:
That's a different kind of success which allows one to successful communicate with hearing people. There are native ASL signers who user that communication device to help improve their successful interaction with hearing people. It makes good business sense in a lot of ways to do that.
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That is because the hearing are ASL impaired.:lol:
 
jillio said:
Well, GrendelQ, the only amateurish attempt that is being undertaken is the one that you, personally, are attempting now.
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I'm very happy for you that you have only made wise choices in your life and that your life and that of your child's are a model of success you think we all should emulate.

I believe that every family has a unique path to take and that there should be many, many options. That's one reason why I think the bill is a step forward. I can't stop you from making disparaging and cartoonish generalizations of anything that doesn't fit your own personal path, as you've done here, but the fact that you feel the need to mock and attack my choices is not constructive and has undermined any credibility you had in my eyes as a reliable voice of experience.

I would NEVER pass judgment on your approach to raising your child. You are welcome to hold the view that your child's deafness is something sad and terrible that you should be grieving about and readjusting your hopes and expectations around. But the idea that I need to adopt that same view or jeopardize my daughter's psyche is truly offensive to me. Perhaps 20 years ago you didn't have the choices I have, and as a hearing person you saw deafness as some negative, limiting factor. I didn't feel limited, and that feeling of having options predated any awareness of a CI as one possible option.

Your presumption at dispensing your own brand of uninformed armchair psychology -- laughable at best, but more often damaging -- is an exercise in irresponsible behavior. I'm appalled at an outstanding lack of empathy or sensitivity to there being anything more than the way you raised your child vs. some fantasy vision you have of how people raise 'hearing children' -- it's a sad example of a 'my way or the highway' mindset.

I have repeatedly and honestly admitted my emotional reaction to my daughter without denial: it's love, delight, excitement, enthusiasm, and so on, in the same positive vein. I don't lay away crying because she's deaf or changing my hopes and dreams for her and I don't see why it would benefit her for me to do so. I tailor everything about her upbringing to her unique needs and abilities, exactly as I always planned to.

Lacking any corresponding insight and wisdom, the roadmap you are shoving in my face is about as relevant as a 20 year old guide through a long-disused bicycle path to my daughter's journey throughout the world today.
 
GrendelQ said:
I'm very happy for you that you have only made wise choices in your life and that your life and that of your child's are a model of success you think we all should emulate.

I believe that every family has a unique path to take and that there should be many, many options. That's one reason why I think the bill is a step forward. I can't stop you from making disparaging and cartoonish generalizations of anything that doesn't fit your own personal path, as you've done here, but the fact that you feel the need to mock and attack my choices is not constructive and has undermined any credibility you had in my eyes as a reliable voice of experience.

I would NEVER pass judgment on your approach to raising your child. You are welcome to hold the view that your child's deafness is something sad and terrible that you should be grieving about and readjusting your hopes and expectations around. But the idea that I need to adopt that same view or jeopardize my daughter's psyche is truly offensive to me. Perhaps 20 years ago you didn't have the choices I have, and as a hearing person you saw deafness as some negative, limiting factor. I didn't feel limited, and that feeling of having options predated any awareness of a CI as one possible option.

Your presumption at dispensing your own brand of uninformed armchair psychology -- laughable at best, but more often damaging -- is an exercise in irresponsible behavior. I'm appalled at an outstanding lack of empathy or sensitivity to there being anything more than the way you raised your child vs. some fantasy vision you have of how people raise 'hearing children' -- it's a sad example of a 'my way or the highway' mindset.

I have repeatedly and honestly admitted my emotional reaction to my daughter without denial: it's love, delight, excitement, enthusiasm, and so on, in the same positive vein. I don't lay away crying because she's deaf or changing my hopes and dreams for her and I don't see why it would benefit her for me to do so. I tailor everything about her upbringing to her unique needs and abilities, exactly as I always planned to.

Lacking any corresponding insight and wisdom, the roadmap you are shoving in my face is about as relevant as a 20 year old guide through a long-disused bicycle path to my daughter's journey throughout the world today.
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Grendel, you are my hero, here, on your blog and CICircle! You are a brillant person, advocate for your child and a great mom. I wish the world of Li-Li's and Miss Kat's all had Grendel's for moms!
 
GrendelQ said:
I'm very happy for you that you have only made wise choices in your life and that your life and that of your child's are a model of success you think we all should emulate.

I believe that every family has a unique path to take and that there should be many, many options. That's one reason why I think the bill is a step forward. I can't stop you from making disparaging and cartoonish generalizations of anything that doesn't fit your own personal path, as you've done here, but the fact that you feel the need to mock and attack my choices is not constructive and has undermined any credibility you had in my eyes as a reliable voice of experience.

I would NEVER pass judgment on your approach to raising your child. You are welcome to hold the view that your child's deafness is something sad and terrible that you should be grieving about and readjusting your hopes and expectations around. But the idea that I need to adopt that same view or jeopardize my daughter's psyche is truly offensive to me. Perhaps 20 years ago you didn't have the choices I have, and as a hearing person you saw deafness as some negative, limiting factor. I didn't feel limited, and that feeling of having options predated any awareness of a CI as one possible option.

Your presumption at dispensing your own brand of uninformed armchair psychology -- laughable at best, but more often damaging -- is an exercise in irresponsible behavior. I'm appalled at an outstanding lack of empathy or sensitivity to there being anything more than the way you raised your child vs. some fantasy vision you have of how people raise 'hearing children' -- it's a sad example of a 'my way or the highway' mindset.

I have repeatedly and honestly admitted my emotional reaction to my daughter without denial: it's love, delight, excitement, enthusiasm, and so on, in the same positive vein. I don't lay away crying because she's deaf or changing my hopes and dreams for her and I don't see why it would benefit her for me to do so. I tailor everything about her upbringing to her unique needs and abilities, exactly as I always planned to.

Lacking any corresponding insight and wisdom, the roadmap you are shoving in my face is about as relevant as a 20 year old guide through a long-disused bicycle path to my daughter's journey throughout the world today.
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Your first sentence is so full of sarcasm and misrepresentation that I didn't even bother to read the rest of the post. The defensiveness speaks for itself.
 
faire_jour said:
Grendel, you are my hero, here, on your blog and CICircle! You are a brillant person, advocate for your child and a great mom. I wish the world of Li-Li's and Miss Kat's all had Grendel's for moms!
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Ahhh...CI Circle.:laugh2:
 
kokonut said:
Naisho, understand the difference of a person asking if it's possible that a deaf child can be successful without ASL. All it takes is to have ONE example, and that was me. And it's a fact. I am walking proof that a deaf child can be successful without ASL. That's undeniable. Of course, people are now quibbling over the definition of the word "successful." Although I already added a caveat, which you seemed to have conveniently ignored, by stating that "it is an area that's quite subjective and several factors are involved in making it work." Secondly, the word "deaf" is broad and can include hard of hearing children who may have mild or moderate/severe hearing loss.
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Appreciate you sharing your sentiments, it is noted.

Nevertheless questions regarding your experiences are still begging an answer, it appears we are intrigued by your stay at Gallaudet University. Why did you decide to choose that institution given the plethora of other predominant non-sign based schools?

I note that your residency is on the west coast, yet you had traveled across the country. There must have been some compelling notion to attend Gallaudet, had there not?
 
jillio said:
Ahhh...CI Circle.:laugh2:
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Why is a support group of parents funny? It is a great place to go for advice about a broken headpiece or what to do if the processor falls in the toliet, or what that funny H3 error message means after your audiologist's office is closed. Why is that funny to you?
 
faire_jour said:
Why is a support group of parents funny? It is a great place to go for advice about a broken headpiece or what to do if the processor falls in the toliet, or what that funny H3 error message means after your audiologist's office is closed. Why is that funny to you?
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Whatever you share on the internet is always subject to other's opinions.
If you have a distaste for being commented or ridiculed, it may be wise and best to keep them to yourself.

Just sayin', you know?
 
I think because they are very biased. anti-CI circle would be biased to you.
 
faire_jour said:
Why is a support group of parents funny? It is a great place to go for advice about a broken headpiece or what to do if the processor falls in the toliet, or what that funny H3 error message means after your audiologist's office is closed. Why is that funny to you?
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I find the reference humorous and telling.
 
I think Miss Kat is a very lucky child with FJ as her mom!

Interesting that some people here have a negative view of our roles as ASL advocates on CiCircle.
 
Does that mean you are going to reject ASL
 
GrendelQ said:
I think Miss Kat is a very lucky child with FJ as her mom!

Interesting that some people here have a negative view of our roles as ASL advocates on CiCircle.
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I don't understand it either. We both advocate ASL for all children with a hearing loss, fight to provide it everyday for our children and still it is met with distain.
 
A said:
I know. Just that it is common for people to do that.
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Really, common to do what? Just say they are advocates? Or all of a sudden not be advocates anymore because of somebody like Jillio? Hahaha
 
naisho said:
Whatever you share on the internet is always subject to other's opinions.
If you have a distaste for being commented or ridiculed, it may be wise and best to keep them to yourself.

Just sayin', you know?
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Support groups are valuable for some people to have. Not an area to be ridiculed, especially for parents of a deaf/hh child. I say give them the respect they deserve rather than side with people who would rather mock at such a thing.
 
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