Born in the USA?

[Reba]

Yes I am wondering the same...

I assumed that Reba would say the same about Clinton as Hitler because Obama agree many of Clinton Adminrastion.

There you go, "assuming" again. That's not a wise thing to do.

I'm not saying that Clinton was Hitler or that Obama would become Hitler. I'm showing how easy it is for people to be swayed the same way for the same reasons by slick politicians. Also, it shows the nature of people who are willing to accept moral and philosophical flaws in their leaders if it means they (the people) can get what they want. Hitler and Mussolini were the historical proof that it can happen.

It has nothing to do with where a person is born. Slick politicians can be foreign or home grown. I'm not afraid that a person from another country could become a dictator. I'm afraid someone from our own country could try to lead our country down the wrong path.

 

[Reba]

Its not the only proof. The fact that the man is walking around is proof that he was born. However, it is the official proof of place of birth, and obviously McCain supporters find it necessary.

Was there other proof, such as what I mentioned above?

 

[jillio]

Was there other proof, such as what I mentioned above?

I'm sure there is. Unfortunately, it is not sufficient for those that attempt to discredit him with false statements.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

There you go, "assuming" again. That's not a wise thing to do.

I'm not saying that Clinton was Hitler or that Obama would become Hitler. I'm showing how easy it is for people to be swayed the same way for the same reasons by slick politicians. Also, it shows the nature of people who are willing to accept moral and philosophical flaws in their leaders if it means they (the people) can get what they want. Hitler and Mussolini were the historical proof that it can happen.

It has nothing to do with where a person is born. Slick politicians can be foreign or home grown. I'm not afraid that a person from another country could become a dictator. I'm afraid someone from our own country could try to lead our country down the wrong path.

I remind you over Clinton because Obama´s plan is almost similar as Clinton´s presidency time in the past.

No matter what but you DID made false statements/accussation/suspect over Obama to compare with Hitler.

 

[Reba]

I quoted to give Hear Again right about the reasons why Hitler did it to Jewish and add the sentence that Jewish fiddle with money. Its about History, not my or Hear Again´s word. We aware that Hitler is a racist toward to all kind of race, not just Jewish.

It was the Jewish race that Hitler targeted for genocide. He hated and wanted to destroy Jews simply because they were Jews. It had nothing to do with them "fiddling" with money. Hitler created the money excuse to make his prejudice more palatable to the German people. He made the Jews the scapegoats for every thing that was wrong in Germany.

 

[Reba]

I'm sure there is. Unfortunately, it is not sufficient for those that attempt to discredit him with false statements.

I wonder why none of the other evidence was presented or even mentioned?

 

[Reba]

Have you read FactCheck.org, Hear Again provided in his previous post?

Yes, I did read the links. They didn't mention anything about other proof of his birth.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It was the Jewish race that Hitler targeted for genocide. He hated and wanted to destroy Jews simply because they were Jews. It had nothing to do with them "fiddling" with money. Hitler created the money excuse to make his prejudice more palatable to the German people. He made the Jews the scapegoats for every thing that was wrong in Germany.

Actually, I aware that Hitler hate Jewish since he was 11 years old because Jewish bragged him that his artist is better than him. (see my post toward deafsowhat´s post of yesterday).

I felt that Hitler use those issues as an excuse to kill Jewish people and people with kind of race. Accord the history, Jewish fiddle with money, also rape, etc... I debated with my friends over those issues until we all agree that Hitler pick the reason as a feeble excuse to kill ALL Jewish people when he KNEW it´s not just them but white as well who commit the crime... ARREST them, not killed ALL because of their race. It shows itself that he is a Racist.

 

[Reba]

Opposite to me, To me that Germany country and also European countries have much freedom than America.

Maybe you're not getting a clear picture of America.

Davids Medienkritik: Stern's Gallery of Stereotypes: USA: The Divided Land

 

[jillio]

Actually, I aware that Hitler hate Jewish since he was 11 years old because Jewish bragged him that his artist is better than him. (see my post toward deafsowhat´s post of yesterday).

I felt that Hitler use those issues as an excuse to kill Jewish people and people with kind of race. Accord the history, Jewish fiddle with money, also rape, etc... I debated with my friends over those issues until we all agree that Hitler pick the reason as a feeble excuse to kill ALL Jewish people when he KNEW it´s not just them but white as well who commit the crime... ARREST them, not killed ALL because of their race. It shows itself that he is a Racist.

Did Hitler Have Syphilis?
20 Jun 2007

An encounter with a Jewish prostitute in Vienna in 1908 may have given Hitler neuro-syphilis and provided the 'deadly logic and blueprint for the Holocaust' as well as giving him a reason to attempt to eliminate the mentally retarded, according to evidence presented at the Royal College of Psychiatrists.

That theory supported by 'ample circumstantial evidence though no final proof', according to a team led by Dr Bassem Habeeb, a psychiatrist at Hollins Park Hospital Warrington, in a paper presented to the Royal College of Psychiatrists' annual meeting in Edinburgh.

There has been speculation that Hitler had the infection since his personal doctor, Theo Morrell expressed his own suspicion in his private diary. But the theory has never been rigorously examined, say the researchers.

'But if Hitler's life is looked at through the lens of a syphilis diagnosis, one clue leads to another until a pattern of infection and progressive infection emerges, a disease that may have defined him from youth as an outsider and that progressively ravaged his body and mind.

Hitler put syphilis high on his political agenda, devoting 13 pages to the disease in Mein Kampf. The job of 'combating syphilis… the Jewish disease… should be the task of the entire German nation,' he wrote. 'The health of the nation will be regained only by eliminating the Jews'.

According to Dr Theophanous, Hitler's bizarre belief that syphilis was a hereditary disease that was originated and propagated by the Jews and resulted in insanity and mental retardation' could be the reason he attempted to eliminate the mentally retarded.

His doctor, Theo Morrell noted his Parkinson's disease, severe gastric crises, skin lesions and violent mood swings as evidence that he had contracted syphilis - as well as 'sudden criminal behaviour, paranoia, grandiosity and mania, all of which changes show in cases of neuro-syphilis.

The Royal College Of Psychiatrists Annual Meeting
Edinburgh International Conference Centre
19-22 June 2007
The Royal College of Psychiatrists

 

[Banjo]

Maybe you're not getting a clear picture of America.

Davids Medienkritik: Stern's Gallery of Stereotypes: USA: The Divided Land

Hee hee, I got a good chuckle out of that.

 

[Reba]

Actually, I aware that Hitler hate Jewish since he was 11 years old because Jewish bragged him that his artist is better than him. (see my post toward deafsowhat´s post of yesterday).

You aren't saying that Hitler rationalized genocide because a Jew criticized his childhood art skills, are you?

I felt that Hitler use those issues as an excuse to kill Jewish people and people with kind of race. Accord the history, Jewish fiddle with money, also rape, etc... I debated with my friends over those issues until we all agree that Hitler pick the reason as a feeble excuse to kill ALL Jewish people when he KNEW it´s not just them but white as well who commit the crime... ARREST them, not killed ALL because of their race. It shows itself that he is a Racist.

So you and the Germans agree that there was no reason for Hitler to commit genocide, and that the Jews were not to blame for Germany's problems? Hitler just made up excuses for killing the Jews, right? You and the Germans agree that the German people were wrong to support Hitler and the Nazis?

Can you explain what this means?

"I personally disagree that all jewish have to die because of this... It could be some jewish but not all... " (post #121)


Can you please explain this also? Do you mean your husband believes that the Jews "fiddle with money"?

"Very true, that´s what my hubby said the same thing and also.... Jewish fiddle with money." (post #110)


I want to be sure that I clearly understand you.

 

[Wokamuka]

You started the whole is Hitler in first place? Who troublemaker??? :roll:

I mentioned Hitler as an example of what might happen when someone who isn't born in the country that they are "president" of (that's what this thread is about).

Don't try to blame me for your comments about Hitler. :roll:

 

[Reba]

Liebling, is this correct? Can you add more to this?

"The office of President is open to all Germans who are entitled to vote in Bundestag elections and have reached the age of forty, but no one may serve more than two five year terms. The president receives an annual payment of approximately €213,000 that continues when he or she leaves office. The President may not be a member of the government or of a legislature at either the federal or Land level."

Does that include Germans who are not native born? Just curious.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

:scratch: I thought you know my POV over Hitler in debated several threads in the past?

Okay, I repeat to answer some of your question what I said in debate threads in the past.

You aren't saying that Hitler rationalized genocide because a Jew criticized his childhood art skills, are you?

I was being taught at school to know the reason why Hitler hate Jewish people.

So you and the Germans agree that there was no reason for Hitler to commit genocide, and that the Jews were not to blame for Germany's problems?

Yes, it´s my hubby, myself and my friends´ POV.

Hitler just made up excuses for killing the Jews, right? You and the Germans agree that the German people were wrong to support Hitler and the Nazis?

Huh?

Are you saying that ALL Germans support Hitler and the Nazi? (I only want to make sure either I understand your post correct or not).

Who say that my German friends support Hitler and the Nazi? Please don´t make a false statement about me and my friends because we never say that we support Hitler and the Nazi.

I explained in previous post that we debated until we agreed that it´s feeble excuse of Hitler and the Nazi to pick the reason why Jewish have to kill. It´s our POV.

Can you explain what this means?

"I personally disagree that all jewish have to die because of this... It could be some jewish but not all... " (post #121)

Are you saying that Jewish people NEVER commit crime?

Is it fair to fingerpoint white race only for their crimes? I suggest in general way that it COULD be that some Jewish commit the crime but it doesn´t mean that ALL jewish because it does the same with some people with kind of race or white people as well... I see them as equally because they all are human being, not see their race...

Some German survivors have bad experience with Jewish in the past but I told my German friends via debate that it doesn´t mean that all jewish are the same because of their bad experience with some Jewish. It doesn´t mean that they are racist because they shared their bad experience with Jewish in the past but they didn´t know what and how Hitler and Nazi did to Jewish until AFTER WWII.

Can you please explain this also? Do you mean your husband believes that the Jews "fiddle with money"?

"Very true, that´s what my hubby said the same thing and also.... Jewish fiddle with money." (post #110)

Repeat: I gave Hear Again right about the list, he made the reason why Hitler killed Jewish and kind of race people and added the sentence to his list... what we learn from Hitler´s history because Hear Again made the list is an exact same what my hubby told me.

I do not see anything that I said that my hubby beleive that the Jews fiddle with money because he was not born at Hitler time. All what he is open mind and learn from those history and collect from some Nazi surviors. His personally POV that Hitler had a bad side is Racist and Evil... My hubby born and raise in Germany and know what the history is about. I learn a lot from my hubby about Hitler´s history.

I have seen Hitler´s document on TV once a year. I has to give my hubby right that Hitler had good and bad side. It doesn´t mean that we support Hitler because he had good side but we only state the fact about Hitler´s good side, that´s all.

I want to be sure that I clearly understand you.

I am glad that you ask me to make sure.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I mentioned Hitler as an example of what might happen when someone who isn't born in the country that they are "president" of (that's what this thread is about).

Don't try to blame me for your comments about Hitler. :roll:

Doesn´t matter but you started it that´s how the whole :topic: posts here.

The fact is: subject over Hitler has nothing do with this thread here that´s because I expressed my POV alone without debate with anyone until you quoted my post.....

I do not wish to debate with Americans with agree to disagree over "BORN IN THE USA" due my respect for them because they live in America, not me. That´s why I expressed my POV alone WITHOUT quote anyone until Endy quoted my post with links. I told him that I aware it but it´s just my personal POV, no more. He respect me. Don´t you read my respone post toward Endy that it´s my personal POV before you brought Hitler issues up to me? I responsed your post, that´s how the :topic: start all the time is HITLER... You cannot deny that you STARTED it. The fact that you did STARTED it. Don´t you read some of Sunshinelady´s posts? She your post because Hitler issues has nothing do with the title of the thread here... Yes, she is right... See yourself that some ADers made immaturity over Hitler to Obama.... etc... etc... etc....to 10th pages... :roll:

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Jillo, for share the interesting link about Hitler... No wonder why he hate Jews for that... It doesn´t mean that all jewish have one because he was being infected by Jew after had sex with her... :roll:

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Maybe you're not getting a clear picture of America.

Davids Medienkritik: Stern's Gallery of Stereotypes: USA: The Divided Land

FYI: I don´t buy Stern magazine because I know Stern magazine is biased magazine (similar as US Fox news). I can see it´s long to read and several links in your link. I read half... I will let you know when I finish read the link later.


I will answer your post #294 later after discuss with my hubby first because I don´t want to give you wrong answer. I want to make sure first.

 

[jillio]

Jillo, for share the interesting link about Hitler... No wonder why he hate Jews for that... It doesn´t mean that all jewish have one because he was being infected by Jew after had sex with her... :roll:

You're welcome. Not only did it provide a basis for his hatred, but the syphillis also went to his brain and is thought to partially have caused the erratic behavior he is known for.

 

[Sunshinelady]

I'm curious why he needed to prove his birth with a certificate. If he was born in Hawaii where his mom's family lived, weren't there plenty of witnesses to his birth? I mean, don't family members remember the day his mom went to the hospital, the day he was born, going to the hospital to see the new baby, bringing him home, etc.? What about hospital records, and the attending physician's records? Newborn baby pictures? Why is the birth certificate the only proof of his birth?

yes, because one rumors about Obama, he has birth-certificate from Hawaii, so they all PPL know Obama's sister was first birth in Africa. that is why, Obama was birth in Africa or not?!?