Black Friday Worker Stampeded to Death

Jiro said:
I see only one logical solution - government intervention to require malls to effectively control the situation by hiring additional guards or hold them criminally-liable for it.... and this time - with harsher penalty.
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i like both of those ideas -- especially holding malls and stores criminally responsible.
 
shel90 said:
Oh you mean security like at big events? :hmm:
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yea exactly. I'm not talking about some "Rent-a-Cop" guards like you see at lot of stores. I'm talking about SERIOUS security with SERIOUS muscle like you see at huge events especially concerts. If they can handle 5,000+ drunk/crazed fans at concert..... surely they can handle these piddly 5,000+ shoppers. :cool2:

You simply need to control the flow into malls (thus preventing stampede) so they should just hire security guards for that... Rent-a-cop or workers can't do it. They are not physically & mentally fit for that nor are trained for that.
 
Jiro said:
yea exactly. I'm not talking about some "Rent-a-Cop" guards like you see at lot of stores. I'm talking about SERIOUS security with SERIOUS muscle like you see at huge events especially concerts. If they can handle 5,000+ drunk/crazed fans at concert..... surely they can handle these piddly 5,000+ shoppers. :cool2:

You simply need to control the flow into malls (thus preventing stampede) so they should just hire security guards for that... Rent-a-cop or workers can't do it. They are not physically & mentally fit for that nor are trained for that.
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Ok got it. When u mentioned security, I immediately thought of the Rent-a-cop workers..that was why I was like...eeehhhhhhh".
 
shel90 said:
Ok got it. When u mentioned security, I immediately thought of the Rent-a-cop workers..that was why I was like...eeehhhhhhh".
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EPIC FAIL - "Rent-a-Cop" security guard
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EPIC WIN
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**1st pix is a scrawny security guard sleeping on chair. the 2nd and 3rd pix are the huge, well-fit security guards. :cool2:
 
Dixie said:
Possibly. Some stores already handle this by allowing only 10-15 customers into the store at a time with a 2-5 minute interval between groups of people. This way not everyone is running over everyone else and not going for the same place at once. I would HATE working at Wal-Mart on Black Friday, but I am sure not a single worker gets Black Friday off from work.
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That's how the stores around here do it.

They make sure that everyone LINES UP, not GATHER AROUND like they did in the article above.

The Target I went to this morning had their carts flipped over and barricaded the front entrance so that it could only be accessed if people actually lined up. That way, people couldn't come barging in when the doors opened.

The people in line here were actually VERY WELL behaved. I applaud their patience. :)
 
VamPyroX said:
That's how the stores around here do it.

They make sure that everyone LINES UP, not GATHER AROUND like they did in the article above.

The Target I went to this morning had their carts flipped over and barricaded the front entrance so that it could only be accessed if people actually lined up. That way, people couldn't come barging in when the doors opened.

The people in line here were actually VERY WELL behaved. I applaud their patience. :)
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there you go! simple idea! they used the barricade with what they have - their shopping carts. I think there should be law or whatsoever that next time.... they should not be allowed to have crowds ganging up at the door.
 
Nothing seem to happen this time at the Walmart where I live but they did have problems on Black Friday a few times fights broke out and cops call and all kinds of problems. :roll:
 
Jiro said:
there you go! simple idea! they used the barricade with what they have - their shopping carts. I think there should be law or whatsoever that next time.... they should not be allowed to have crowds ganging up at the door.
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Yeah. Even the police department got involved. There was a police car parked in front of Target and Best Buy when I went there. :)
 
Another crazy incident on Black Friday

2 dead after shots fired in SoCal Toys 'R' Us
8 hours ago

PALM DESERT, Calif. (AP) — A shooting inside a Toys "R" Us on the busiest shopping day of the year killed two people, authorities said.

The violence erupted on Black Friday, the traditional post-Thanksgiving start of the holiday shopping surge, but accounts of what occurred inside the store were fragmentary or second hand and it was not clear whether it involved any shopping frenzy.

The Palm Desert Police Department received calls of shots fired around 11:35 a.m., Riverside County sheriff's Sgt. Dennis Gutierrez said. He said officers were still investigating what prompted the gunshots.

Immediately after the shooting, about 20 people rushed into the World Gym across the street from Toys "R" Us, the gym's assistant manager Glenn Splain told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

"They were crying, tearing and shaking," Splain said, adding that one woman came in cradling a baby.

"Some people got into a fight," said Splain, who spoke with some of the customers. "One of the guys here thought it was over a toy, but it got louder and louder and then there were gunshots."

Sarah Pacia of Cathedral City told The Desert Sun newspaper she was in the store with her two boys, ages 4 and 6, looking at coloring books when she heard a commotion in the next aisle. She thought it was people rushing to get a sale item. Then she heard three or four shots.

She said she froze, and store employees calmly escorted her out of the store.

"This is Toys "R" Us. There are kids shopping in there," Pacia said. Her son Jayden, 4, was clinging to her leg. He told her he didn't want to die, she said.

Toys "R" Us officials did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

Palm Desert is about 120 miles east of Los Angeles.
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The Associated Press: 2 dead after shots fired in SoCal Toys 'R' Us
 
Oceanblue7 said:
2 dead after shots fired in SoCal Toys 'R' Us
8 hours ago

PALM DESERT, Calif. (AP) — A shooting inside a Toys "R" Us on the busiest shopping day of the year killed two people, authorities said.

The violence erupted on Black Friday, the traditional post-Thanksgiving start of the holiday shopping surge, but accounts of what occurred inside the store were fragmentary or second hand and it was not clear whether it involved any shopping frenzy.

The Palm Desert Police Department received calls of shots fired around 11:35 a.m., Riverside County sheriff's Sgt. Dennis Gutierrez said. He said officers were still investigating what prompted the gunshots.

Immediately after the shooting, about 20 people rushed into the World Gym across the street from Toys "R" Us, the gym's assistant manager Glenn Splain told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

"They were crying, tearing and shaking," Splain said, adding that one woman came in cradling a baby.

"Some people got into a fight," said Splain, who spoke with some of the customers. "One of the guys here thought it was over a toy, but it got louder and louder and then there were gunshots."

Sarah Pacia of Cathedral City told The Desert Sun newspaper she was in the store with her two boys, ages 4 and 6, looking at coloring books when she heard a commotion in the next aisle. She thought it was people rushing to get a sale item. Then she heard three or four shots.

She said she froze, and store employees calmly escorted her out of the store.

"This is Toys "R" Us. There are kids shopping in there," Pacia said. Her son Jayden, 4, was clinging to her leg. He told her he didn't want to die, she said.

Toys "R" Us officials did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

Palm Desert is about 120 miles east of Los Angeles.
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The Associated Press: 2 dead after shots fired in SoCal Toys 'R' Us
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Already mentioned that in the earlier post. Yup... sad!
 
Renting a "rent-a-cop" or having big, burly security guards isn't going to help as you have the masses against a small group of security officers.

What the companies should do is extend their sales for the entire weekend. At least that way they would get people coming in all weekend and not crushed for 3 hours on the day after Thanksgiving. :roll:
 
I think a combination of all of the ideas offered is a better solution. Extend the sale to least 12 hours instead of 3 for the deep cuts, thus less people piled at the door to shop.

Hire additional security - or ask the local PD to offer additional crowd control. Who's going to dare get out of line when there is an officer there ready to haul your ass off to jail or blow your balls off with a taser or glock?

Erect barricades so that the only way to access the store is actually form a single file line.

And allow only 10-15 people in the store at a time with a 2-5 minute interval in between.

For items that will be limited at the store MUST be pre-ordered online and you are allowed to pick it up at a certain time as noted on your receipt (must show this in order to pick up item).

What do you say? I think utiliizing all of the above will go a long way in preventing future stampedes. If a customer gets out of line, they must immediately drop their purchases and be escorted off the premises by officer or security guard.
 
Byrdie714 said:
Renting a "rent-a-cop" or having big, burly security guards isn't going to help as you have the masses against a small group of security officers.

What the companies should do is extend their sales for the entire weekend. At least that way they would get people coming in all weekend and not crushed for 3 hours on the day after Thanksgiving. :roll:
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Extending the sale for a whole weekend isn't gonna do any good. Everything will be sold out within 2 hours.

Some stores do have 2 to 3 days for their sales (which is practically a whole weekend). Yet, everything is sold out quickly.

Target made their Black Friday sale a 2-day sale. When I went, half the toys were gone within 30 minutes of the store opening.
 
Dixie said:
I think a combination of all of the ideas offered is a better solution. Extend the sale to least 12 hours instead of 3 for the deep cuts, thus less people piled at the door to shop.

Hire additional security - or ask the local PD to offer additional crowd control. Who's going to dare get out of line when there is an officer there ready to haul your ass off to jail or blow your balls off with a taser or glock?

Erect barricades so that the only way to access the store is actually form a single file line.

And allow only 10-15 people in the store at a time with a 2-5 minute interval in between.

For items that will be limited at the store MUST be pre-ordered online and you are allowed to pick it up at a certain time as noted on your receipt (must show this in order to pick up item).

What do you say? I think utiliizing all of the above will go a long way in preventing future stampedes. If a customer gets out of line, they must immediately drop their purchases and be escorted off the premises by officer or security guard.
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If pre-ordered online, why not just order it completely? (Not all stores permit pre-ordered products.) Also, pre-ordered items are already reserved for those customers and kept in the back room. So, customers who pre-ordered won't have to worry anyways. :)
 
VamPyroX said:
If pre-ordered online, why not just order it completely? (Not all stores permit pre-ordered products.) Also, pre-ordered items are already reserved for those customers and kept in the back room. So, customers who pre-ordered won't have to worry anyways. :)
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But think of all the people who will walk up to the customer service counter and claim they have pre-ordered a product when in fact they did not. Showing proof of this by a receipt printed at home with a customer number that can be entered into the computer to verify the authenticity of the customer's claim.

Without a receipt showing proof of pre-order the store can't disprove it, and the customer can't prove it. Requiring this receipt puts another barrier up for those that would use the occasion to to try and steal as well as having added crowd control, better than having a fight in the aisle over which customer gets the last product that's in stock. This way everyone has a fair chance.
 
Dixie said:
But think of all the people who will walk up to the customer service counter and claim they have pre-ordered a product when in fact they did not. Showing proof of this by a receipt printed at home with a customer number that can be entered into the computer to verify the authenticity of the customer's claim.

Without a receipt showing proof of pre-order the store can't disprove it, and the customer can't prove it. Requiring this receipt puts another barrier up for those that would use the occasion to to try and steal as well as having added crowd control, better than having a fight in the aisle over which customer gets the last product that's in stock. This way everyone has a fair chance.
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They already do that... with forms of ID. :)

I've ordered stuff and picked it up at the store at Walmart. They asked for my ID. :)
 
VamPyroX said:
Extending the sale for a whole weekend isn't gonna do any good. Everything will be sold out within 2 hours.

Some stores do have 2 to 3 days for their sales (which is practically a whole weekend). Yet, everything is sold out quickly.

Target made their Black Friday sale a 2-day sale. When I went, half the toys were gone within 30 minutes of the store opening.
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Can always get a rain-check for the items that are sold out.
 
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