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When one is sent to prison it is because they broke a law that has an extended stay in prison as their punishment... While there the sate and private run facilities are supposed to attempt to rehabilitate them...
That is as punishment

When you send someone off and then add to their discomfort... Take away food, bathing ability, place them in situations where harm is known to come, take away additional things or add pain, discomfort, distress or the like that is for punishment...
For punishment means you send them there to be punished... Think mideveil times... They went to jails to be punished via torture... Same concept just not a severe...

Ok, the jail today are more humane but some guards could brutally abuse the inmates, also I heard about jail and prison received many complaints and some of them sued the jail/prison after release or discuss with family and lawyer.
 
Inmates smoking in their cells...:hmm:...and some inmates are non-smokers...also the windows are barred up...where's the ventilation for the smoke?.....Not healthy at all....perhaps outside smoking breaks?...

If they all done vile crimes I don't care how they die but stick them on other side of prison.no secondary smoke..Lots of prisons here they still use slop out buckets so smell awful anyhow..
 
Ok, the jail today are more humane but some guards could brutally abuse the inmates, also I heard about jail and prison received many complaints and some of them sued the jail/prison after release or discuss with family and lawyer.

Yes they are more humane.
Because unlike what you seem to believe, modern penality, is not based on the premise of punishment for punishments sake.
There is far more involved.
 
Which statements of mine, state what you claim?
If you cant back up your allegations..
Dont make them
Thank you

You don't understand about what "sound" means? It is more of suggestion.

Your statement indicates that prison isn't bad.

Time to move on, anyway.
 
If they all done vile crimes I don't care how they die but stick them on other side of prison.no secondary smoke..Lots of prisons here they still use slop out buckets so smell awful anyhow..

Thr plm is. With the above.
Is once you are incarcerated, even before that..the second you are in custody...the state has responsibilty over your well being...
You may not care.
But the entire idea of the modern criminal justice system in the west rests on society not only caring regarding what crimes the criminal has committed but the well bieng in custody however defned lossly..of the convicted...
Why some here have issues with this idea is any bodies guesss
 
You don't understand about what "sound" means? It is more of suggestion.

Your statement indicates that prison isn't bad.

Time to move on, anyway.

Where have my statments indicated peisons are not bad?
Are you a compulsive liar?

Show the statments pls

Dont spread slander...

I stand by my statments...what I STATED!
No place have i stated what you are claiming i did..

Now bugger off
Im sure another tv show is on for you to watch..and become an expert with...
(Roll eyes)
 
No hoichi I do care very much I was thinking in terms of pedphils in prison I don't give toss about wellbeing of people like that.. majority of prisoners done bad crimes but not bad people in that I agree people like that as punishment not to be punished,
 
Where have my statments indicated peisons are not bad?
Are you a compulsive liar?

Show the statments pls

Dont spread slander...

I stand by my statments...what I STATED!
No place have i stated what you are claiming i did..

Now bugger off
Im sure another tv show is on for you to watch..and become an expert with...
(Roll eyes)

OMG, you don't understand again.

You need to check out yourself and seriously, I'm not lying to you.

I'm saying about SUGGESTION, INDICATION and SOUND.

BTW, I'm not trusting at you at all and I don't care about you - you are just wasting of time.
 
No hoichi I do care very much I was thinking in terms of pedphils in prison I don't give toss about wellbeing of people like that.. majority of prisoners done bad crimes but not bad people in that I agree people like that as punishment not to be punished,

I understand that...
I do.
But even pedos in custody...are the responsabikity of the state...hence why they are for the most part protected, lest they meet harsh ends at the hands od cons...

The state argues it is the sole operator of justice and punishment...thus it doesnt.accept the idea of.vegiliante justice, mob justice or alternative con justice to other cons...ie...pedos gwtting murdered....
So the state in whos hands cons are...during incsrceration have rights,and needs and care met.
In different epochs this of courde.has been.different..
And in epochs to follow.this im certwin different models of penality will be developed snd used
 
OMG, you don't understand again.

You need to check out yourself and seriously, I'm not lying to you.

I'm saying about SUGGESTION, INDICATION and SOUND.

BTW, I'm not trusting at you at all and I don't care about you - you are just wasting of time.

In other words..
You cant find any post of mine that state what you claim.
Ok.
Cool

So which posts of mine, indicate, suggest...SoUND to you that i stated prison isnt bad?
Surely you csn at least find them.....(yawn)

As for the rest of your nonsense.
What ever man.
Really
Meh
 
In other words..
You can find any post of mine that state what you claim.
Ok.
Cool
As for the rest of your nonsense.
What ever man.
Really
Meh

Most of your posts are nonsense. :lol:
 
Some prisoners have no interest in reforming. Some feel absolutely no remorse for what they did (only regrets for getting caught and convicted). Some truly believe that whatever they did was justified, so they have no motivation for changing their ways. Some enjoyed inflicting pain on others, and enjoy mentally reliving the moment, so they have no desire to reform--they live for the opportunity of repeating their crime.

Non-violent criminals who desire to change for the better do exist but there are others who never will.
 
Some prisoners have no interest in reforming. Some feel absolutely no remorse for what they did (only regrets for getting caught and convicted). Some truly believe that whatever they did was justified, so they have no motivation for changing their ways. Some enjoyed inflicting pain on others, and enjoy mentally reliving the moment, so they have no desire to reform--they live for the opportunity of repeating their crime.

Non-violent criminals who desire to change for the better do exist but there are others who never will.

Finally... I agree with you.

My cousin is drug addict and convicted of burglary so he is in state prison in Georgia so he isn't interested to enroll the reform program.

He doesn't care about us.
 
Ones crimes do not negate that persons rights to be treated fairly and not tortured

1: The behavioir of Those convicted of heanus crimes, is in no way shape or form any we as a society should emulate.


2: We know full well what confinment does to people, thats why it is used. It is used to break a person and cause submission to rules. And it does just that. It also causes long term affects the kinger the duration and frequency it is used. It is used for punishment, and to modify behavour

3: Long term affects of isolation on a man who will be eventually realesed is something that is very much relavant, he will after all be back in society.

4: Some dont break, few adapt...most are broken, and have long term emotional plms, esither due to isolation itself over long term confinment, or pre despition and other issues that isolation magnify.

5: Your demonstrating you know little of this topic.

1: - However, people still "emulate" crimes committed by the pathetic fools in prison so society doesn't make a difference, whether bonded or not and your comment is irrelevant. :)


2: - Indeed you are correct about that! Many studies have been done and continue to be done and my chosen method of chaining someone to a wall 24/7, is actually based on what they do in Uganda, Africa, India - to name a few. I prefer more brutality and pain if someone commits a horrific crime and the world su.cks for changing it's horrific personality system to something more nice and with a pillow and a TV and a nice comfy bed, pffft..

3: -Long term effects can either effect a man/woman in a good way or a bad way. There is no prediction of a good treatment or a bad treatment of what it's going to do on someone. I can feed an inmate a cheeseburger and milkshakes and they will still continue to murder whilst I feed the next inmate rocks and dirt and they choose not to kill anymore.

4: Do you think I care if someone is broken Mentally, Emotionally & Spiritually? I laugh at the pathetic fools in prison while I sit here and eat my food and breathe in my fresh air, knowing, I can do what ever I want. :) If you commit a crime, then don't ask for forgiveness and say your sorry! You shouldn't of done the crime in the first place. Simple and relevant. I don't pity anyone below me.


5: Your demonstrating clearly how close-minded you are. How question-reluctant you are. How de-minded you are. How strongly opinionated you are and how you are not willing to open your eyes to other views. I'm also glad to say your not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance. :laugh2:
 
Then smoking room somewhere in prison where no gets secondary smoke gets about.policed by smoking warders. allowed maybe twice a day with pic of black lung on the wall.God forbid it it in Glasgow prisons there be war.
Somking is unfair on non smokers if banged up together got be fair about that.Must be happy medium somewhere.
Good idea have nic replacement on demand most of us get it free.
Cigs are currency in prison it be replaced

by something else
 
Some prisoners have no interest in reforming. Some feel absolutely no remorse for what they did (only regrets for getting caught and convicted). Some truly believe that whatever they did was justified, so they have no motivation for changing their ways. Some enjoyed inflicting pain on others, and enjoy mentally reliving the moment, so they have no desire to reform--they live for the opportunity of repeating their crime.

Non-violent criminals who desire to change for the better do exist but there are others who never will.

I would state most cons in my experience...most have no desire to change.
And i would state most of cons for the rest of what you said.

That is one of the fundemental plms in penality..

The above doesnt negate the fact that the modern idea of penality is based on more then punishment for punishments sake. As some on here, seem to believe

Its called corrections for a reason...it could easily have been called department of punishment and torture..but we in the west a few hundred years ago for various reasons decided to try the idea of reforming the individual or at the very least allowing the individual who seeks reform a way in.theory to do it. And it was a slow process. But in the west torture for use in the penal system has been phased out, more oe less. And more systems based on.mental torture have been sed.. with very little real workd successes..thats SEG, woukd be classed as...

There is no easy awsner to the huge plms in the system...

But one.awsner shouls.be fsr beneath a civilized society in the mkdeen.sense..
And thats torturing those inlprisoned.
To name one.
The method is okd and tried...and has littke success rates besides breaking human beings...
(Not to state you, reba are calling for such..im just being clear onmy positon)
 
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]1: - However, people still "emulate" crimes committed by the pathetic fools in prison so society doesn't make a difference, whether bonded or not and your comment is irrelevant. :)OR]

Actually society does see a difference. It does not matter if other criminals emulate other criminals..society is organized and operated under a rule of law.
And society doesnt seek nor wish to emulate those that live contrary to its rules..,besides the Death penalty i should add..society doesnt.rape rapists, or sell drugs to drug sellers, or steal from theifs..
Why you cant grasp this is an interesting question worth exploration



[C2: - Indeed you are correct about that! Many studies have been done and continue to be done and my chosen method of chaining someone to a wall 24/7, is actually based on what they do in Uganda, Africa, India - to name a few. I prefer more brutality and pain if someone commits a horrific crime and the world su.cks for changing it's horrific personality system to something more nice and with a pillow and a TV and a nice comfy bed, pffft..OR]

You prefer more burtality and pain inflicted on other human beings...meh..

If youve experienced or seen a man treated as you wish them, and still wish it..you have deep pychological issues...

Im no stranger to violence...i do and teach it for a living...im always amused when those with litte or no experience wish to infict violience and brutality on others
That kind of behavuor actually erodes the state..not help it..

Uganda....india.....well...

Nice models of nations you have their....
Id rather us in the west make our own way thank you very much, without emulating third world nations...


[C3: -Long term effects can either effect a man/woman in a good way or a bad way. There is no prediction of a good treatment or a bad treatment of what it's going to do on someone. I can feed an inmate a cheeseburger and milkshakes and they will still continue to murder whilst I feed the next inmate rocks and dirt and they choose not to kill anymore.OR]

If there is no corralation between how we as a society treat prisoners and what they do and how they act upon releas back into society...tell me

Why did the west do away with meadeval torture methods? Should we bring back tortureur guilds? Maybe drawn and querter people at half time sunday football games? How about burning them alive at the stake to launch baseball season?

We can start there....before we get into.the detals...



[C4: Do you think I care if someone is broken Mentally, Emotionally & Spiritually? I laugh at the pathetic fools in prison while I sit here and eat my food and breathe in my fresh air, knowing, I can do what ever I want. :) If you commit a crime, then don't ask for forgiveness and say your sorry! You shouldn't of done the crime in the first place. Simple and relevant. I don't pity anyone below me.OR]

Clearly you dont care if someone is broken mentality...

Why breaking a human mentaly and physicaly who will then be released back into society is a good idea is any ones guess..

And the tax payers will flip the bill, of wither theie returned incsrceration, or their instituionilzation, or what ever lives these broken men ruin by themselves being broken...



[C5: Your demonstrating clearly how close-minded you are. How question-reluctant you are. How de-minded you are. How strongly opinionated you are and how you are not willing to open your eyes to other views. I'm also glad to say your not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance. :laugh2:[/COLOR]

Me, not wishing to break, torture or brutalize other human beings. If that makes me closed minded...de minded, ignorant, and opinionated...
Then
I stand guilty as charged..
 
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