Ban On Smoking In Prisons To Start Next Year

caz said:
I would think bc it government building and maybe the staff don't like it particularly if staff smokers and not allowed to smoke not happy staff
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Inmates smoking in their cells...:hmm:...and some inmates are non-smokers...also the windows are barred up...where's the ventilation for the smoke?.....Not healthy at all....perhaps outside smoking breaks?...
 
MEGATRONICATRON said:
- To bad we will not still living in the dark ages because bad criminals deserve harsh treatment. They not deserve first class accommodations in jail. Yes some are innocents too but the vast majority of peoples in there say "I didn't do it" LOL :laugh2:



- Well, if they are in prison for doing a crime then the effects of isolation after the long term effects, would be irrelevant due to the fact of the crimes they committed before hand! So, they we're bad before jail and would probably still be bad after jail.

Of course, even with my method of chaining a person to a wall 24/7 doesn't mean it would make that person bad or even good. We just really don't know what confinement would do to a person. It would effect everyone differently but if the person is a murderer, rapist, child molester then damn, they should be chained to a wall 24/7 and the key thrown away. Disgusting animals. I understand what you means and I hope you know what I mean! :D:laugh2:
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Ones crimes do not negate that persons rights to be treated fairly and not tortured

The behavioir of Those convicted of heanus crimes, is in no way shape or form any we as a society should emulate.


We know full well what confinment does to people, thats why it is used. It is used to break a person and cause submission to rules. And it does just that. It also causes long term affects the kinger the duration and frequency it is used. It is used for punishment, and to modify behavour

Long term affects of isolation on a man who will be eventually realesed is something that is very much relavant, he will after all be back in society.

Some dont break, few adapt...most are broken, and have long term emotional plms, esither due to isolation itself over long term confinment, or pre despition and other issues that isolation magnify.

Your demonstrating you know little of this topic.
 
Jezie said:
Okay...
I can agree that it does take some rights and many privalages away. However if you go by the criminal justice system, imprisonment is ment for rehabilitation of the offender. . We as a society moved away from punishment of criminals... Sadly society seems to forget this...
Justice is justice... It is not vengeance nor should it be cruel... If you treat a person like an animal it is an animal that you will create...
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After watch real TV shows about jail and prison so OMG, I don't want go to jail/prison at all.

That's scary...
 
Foxrac said:
After watch real TV shows about jail and prison so OMG, I don't want go to jail/prison at all.

That's scary...
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I can understand that... But, TV and real life are often very different...
 
Foxrac said:
He told me that my statement is incorrect and I told him that his statement is nothing - it don't make any sense for modern time.

The prison today is different from medieval era but it is designed to take your freedom away and punished for break a law. You cannot do anything that you like to do in prison - lousy food, thin mattress, poor medical care, no driving, deal with guards, no video game, no internet, etc. It take your privilege away.

When US was born, many criminals ended up to be executed, even you can execute in Alabama for stealing but not anymore nowadays.
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Yes it is different now..
The difference in penality, is that it moved well away from punishment for punishments sake. And instead the ideal of reform and rehabilitation is the sought goal. Not torture. Not punishment for punishments sake...

But..
Youve seen some scary tv shows..
So...
Meh..
 
Jezie said:
I can understand that... But, TV and real life are often very different...
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They are based on real life, not reenactment - that's called documentaries about life in jail and prison.

hoichi said:
Considering all you know of the topic, is what you see on tv..
Ill take your comment as a conpliment
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You don't watch TV at all and I don't want go to jail/prison period so don't encourage me to break a law.
 
hoichi said:
Yes it is different now..
The difference in penality, is that it moved well away from punishment for punishments sake. And instead the ideal of reform and rehabilitation is the sought goal. Not torture. Not punishment for punishments sake...

But..
Youve seen some scary tv shows..
So...
Meh..
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You have no idea about what are you talking.

You told us that you are felon ex-convict. :roll:
 
Foxrac said:
They are based on real life, not reenactment - that's called documentaries about life in jail and prison.



You don't watch TV at all and I don't want go to jail/prison period so don't encourage me to break a law.
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Even documentaries are not the same thing... I do not believe anyone is encouraging you to break the law... Just discussing thing with you...
 
Foxrac said:
You have no idea about what are you talking.

You told us that you are felon ex-convict. :roll:
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Right foxroc..
Pls demonstrate any of my posts here, that is incorrect
But
I cede..
Youve seen some scary tv...so...
You know...
(Laughing)
Really
Now
Ill wait...but i wont hold my breath..
Run along now....adults are trying to have a discussion
 
Jezie said:
Even documentaries are not the same thing... I do not believe anyone is encouraging you to break the law... Just discussing thing with you...
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Not about you but it is about hoichi because he lived in prison before and he all saying... "aw... prison isn't bad".

They used videotape of real life in documentaries, also it used to warn teens and young adults to not break a law and give them twice think before break a law. The prison is for punishment and it take privilege away and no freedom - that's not same as ground by parents. Many teens changed their way after watch about how bad is jail and prison, also consequence to have felony on record.
 
hoichi said:
Right foxroc..
Pls demonstrate any of my posts here, that is incorrect
But
I cede..
Youve seen some scary tv...so...
You know...
(Laughing)
Really
Now
Ill wait...but i wont hold my breath..
Run along now....adults are trying to have a discussion
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You lived in prison so what's up with you.

Feel free to laughing whatever you want and obviously, you are felon ex-convict. :zzz:
 
Foxrac said:
Not about you but it is about hoichi because he lived in prison before and he all saying... "aw... prison isn't bad".

They used videotape of real life in documentaries, also it used to warn teens and young adults to not break a law and give them twice think before break a law. The prison is for punishment and it take privilege away and no freedom - that's not same as ground by parents. Many teens changed their way after watch about how bad is jail and prison, also consequence to have felony on record.
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Where the hell have i ever stated prison isnt bad?
Pls
Do show my posts where i stated prison isnt bad...
Thank you
 
Foxrac said:
Not about you but it is about hoichi because he lived in prison before and he all saying... "aw... prison isn't bad".

They used videotape of real life in documentaries, also it used to warn teens and young adults to not break a law and give them twice think before break a law. The prison is for punishment and it take privilege away and no freedom - that's not same as ground by parents. Many teens changed their way after watch about how bad is jail and prison, also consequence to have felony on record.
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I agree with the article when it said that people are sent to prison as punishment not for punishment... There is a difference...
 
Foxrac said:
You lived in prison so what's up with you.

Feel free to laughing whatever you want and obviously, you are felon ex-convict. :zzz:
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What are you even rambling about...

You claim the state doesnt know the affects of isolation wnd.confinment...
This is pattenly false

It woukdnt useisokwtion or confinment if it hwd no idea what thebaffects woukd be.it uses isokation and confinment for a reason.

You dont have to bekive me...you csn googke if you sencere...
What ever.

If actually have anything at post contrary to my posts pls do..
If not
Bugger off and let adults discuss this important issue.

Oh...
And pls foxroc....dont break the law bro....
(Lights fat joint)
Id never tell you to do such a thing...
 
Jezie said:
I agree with the article when it said that people are sent to prison as punishment not for punishment... There is a difference...
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Indeed there is...
And a very real difference...
 
Jezie said:
I agree with the article when it said that people are sent to prison as punishment not for punishment... There is a difference...
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What you means? not for punishment? :confused:

Jail and prison are same confinement in term, but prison is used for long term - more than 1 year, especially felony.

What about solitary confinement? Do you think that they are real punishment when compare to general population?
 
Foxrac said:
What you means? not for punishment? :confused:

Jail and prison are same confinement in term, but prison is used for long term - more than 1 year, especially felony.

What about solitary confinement? Do you think that they are real punishment when compare to general population?
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When one is sent to prison it is because they broke a law that has an extended stay in prison as their punishment... While there the sate and private run facilities are supposed to attempt to rehabilitate them...
That is as punishment

When you send someone off and then add to their discomfort... Take away food, bathing ability, place them in situations where harm is known to come, take away additional things or add pain, discomfort, distress or the like that is for punishment...
For punishment means you send them there to be punished... Think mideveil times... They went to jails to be punished via torture... Same concept just not a severe...
 
Foxrac said:
What you means? not for punishment? :confused:

Jail and prison are same confinement in term, but prison is used for long term - more than 1 year, especially felony.

What about solitary confinement? Do you think that they are real punishment when compare to general population?
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As for solitary confinement... Some like it... Others tolerate it... Yet many it can break... We are a social species... Majority of people need human contact...
 
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