Ban On Smoking In Prisons To Start Next Year

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The Government hopes the ban, to be phased in gradually, will eventually include all prisons in England and Wales

Smoking will be banned at all prisons in Wales and four in England from next year.


The Government says this is the first step towards making all jails in both countries smoke free, due to the health problems smoking can cause.

From January, HMPs Cardiff, Parc, Swansea and Usk/Prescoed will ban smoking, and HMPs Exeter, Channings Wood, Dartmoor and Erlestoke will follow in March.

All prisons will provide voluntary smoke-free areas from early next year.

Currently all prisoners are allowed to smoke in their cells but not in communal areas.

From next month, open prison inmates will only be allowed to smoke in certain outside areas.

Prisons Minister Andrew Selous said the ban would be gradually phased in, adding that it was "the right thing to do".

He said: "We will continue to take a sensible and considered approach, using the experience of the first prisons to go smoke-free to inform the speed at which we move to smoke-free across our remaining prisons.

"We have no plans to move to smoke-free prisons overnight and will only do so in a phased way that takes into account operational resilience and readiness of each prison.

"The operational safety and security of our prisons will always be our top priority."

Deborah Arnott, chief executive of health charity ASH, welcomed the move, saying the organisation had been pushing for it since 2005.

She also called on prison chiefs in Scotland and Northern Ireland to follow suit.

Peter Dawson, deputy director of the Prison Reform Trust said prisoners should still be allowed to smoke outdoors.

He added: "Michael Gove has said we should send people to prison 'as punishment, not for punishment'.

"So there has to be a good reason for denying prisoners a freedom when that is not 'a necessary consequence of imprisonment'.

"A sensible and considered approach to smoking in prisons would leave prisoners with a choice - at least to smoke outside.

"If that is to be denied to them, there has to be proper support while people give up - not just smoking cessation aids, but increased vigilance for signs of distress that could easily turn into self harm or worse."

http://news.sky.com/story/1561210/ban-on-smoking-in-prisons-to-start-next-year
 
I smoked for 17 years and have been quit for 5. I think they should be left with a place outside to smoke and lots of aid in quiting if they want to. I think many will be violent if they are just denied the ability to smoke. You have to be ready for the stress and anxiety of quiting or it's gonna get bad and people will get hurt.
 
bet that go down like a plank...IT something called Octstop I think that what they calling it give up smoking day.
If you in for life stick all smokers together..If they dreadfull crimes let them chain it.
 
It is already the case in canadan prisons. Besides quebec.

Drugs and sex are also banned...apperently so is violence...
Not that that actually stops anything....
Anyway
 
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Nicotine withdrawal?...Not a pleasant thing. Especially for those who have smoked a long time. Even if it cuts down on health care for smokers...living longer lives in prison costs $$ too...

Wouldn't want to be in a cell with a chronic smoker who had to quit, pronto...Might not get out alive. :laugh2:
 
Nicotine withdrawal?...Not a pleasant thing. Especially for those who have smoked a long time. Even if it cuts down on health care for smokers...living longer lives in prison costs $$ too...

Wouldn't want to be in a cell with a chronic smoker who had to quit, pronto...Might not get out alive. :laugh2:

a feeling I know only to well
 
Nicotine withdrawal?...Not a pleasant thing. Especially for those who have smoked a long time. Even if it cuts down on health care for smokers...living longer lives in prison costs $$ too...

Wouldn't want to be in a cell with a chronic smoker who had to quit, pronto...Might not get out alive. :laugh2:

Makes one wonder what the true morives are, doesnt it?
 
Makes one wonder what the true morives are, doesnt it?

You mean motives?...Really didn't think about it in that way...but wondering too, if some of those guys will riot. And if they are gonna be Nicotine Patches distributed....Even vapes...:hmm:...all the way around, not gonna be too pleasant.
 
The prison is for punishment.

You shouldn't not smoking if you break a law and getting punished.

The punishment must be extremely unpleasant and miserable.

The prison isn't daycare for adults.
 
If you is in prison then all of your freedom should be taken away from you.

You should be miserable and sad and stuck in a cell 24/7, chained to a wall because if you is in prison, then you certainly don't deserve anything because you done what is wrong. Yup :)
 
The prison is for punishment.

You shouldn't not smoking if you break a law and getting punished.

The punishment must be extremely unpleasant and miserable.

The prison isn't daycare for adults.

This is incorrect,and not true.

Dungeons where for punishment. Prisons, in the modern west, as in penetenteries as in, to be penetent. where never ever solely about or for punishment for punishments sake. While punishment is a part of the idea, it is only a part of it. The other part is the idea of reform.

If it was just about punishment, we would of never in the west have done away with those long tried and tested aparatus of punishment we used for so long

The rack
The iron madain
The hungry rat in a face cage
The torturers apprentice
The con strapped to a log. Thrown against a brick wall
The pit of hungry dogs....
Boiling alive
Burned at the stake
Hot iron to blind and boil eyes....
So on so forth
Drawn and quertered for entertainment...
Ect ect

Punishment...

The west decided for various reasons to move away from a solely punishment idea to one of reforming the individual through making him aware and penitent of his crimes..ie the penetentery.

This has taken various forms, one of which had an affect on the Deaf in the idea of the construct of space and the use of space to control the individual internally...Deaf schools of the 18 century where moddeled on the same archetecture that was the penetentery.

Any first year criminology course would go into these details, besides the Deaf one..for that the book inside Deaf culture is a start
 
If you is in prison then all of your freedom should be taken away from you.

You should be miserable and sad and stuck in a cell 24/7, chained to a wall because if you is in prison, then you certainly don't deserve anything because you done what is wrong. Yup :)

Oh my!...do you reallllly have a strong opinion....being chained to a wall?? This isn't the dark ages and we don't have dungeons anymore...Locked up 24/7?...No. They get an hour a day for exercise.

Prisons will break your spirit tho'...hence most anyone would be miserable and sad....They are meant to "reform" you...if possible. And remember too. some are innocents....
 
If you is in prison then all of your freedom should be taken away from you.

You should be miserable and sad and stuck in a cell 24/7, chained to a wall because if you is in prison, then you certainly don't deserve anything because you done what is wrong. Yup :)

Let me ask you a question

Tell me

Upon release back into society after a con who has suffered as you wish him to..chained to a wall 24/7 and puposuly kept miserible and in pain for the duration of his sentence...how will this individual be able to.adapt to.be again a part of soceity and a healthy part of it?

Are you aware of the effects isolation strapped to a wall has upon a man after long periods?
 
Oh my!...do you reallllly have a strong opinion....being chained to a wall?? This isn't the dark ages and we don't have dungeons anymore...Locked up 24/7?...No. They get an hour a day for exercise.

Prisons will break your spirit tho'...hence most anyone would be miserable and sad....They are meant to "reform" you...if possible. And remember too. some are innocents....

- To bad we will not still living in the dark ages because bad criminals deserve harsh treatment. They not deserve first class accommodations in jail. Yes some are innocents too but the vast majority of peoples in there say "I didn't do it" LOL :laugh2:

Let me ask you a question

Tell me

Upon release back into society after a con who has suffered as you wish him to..chained to a wall 24/7 and puposuly kept miserible and in pain for the duration of his sentence...how will this individual be able to.adapt to.be again a part of soceity and a healthy part of it?

Are you aware of the effects isolation strapped to a wall has upon a man after long periods?

- Well, if they are in prison for doing a crime then the effects of isolation after the long term effects, would be irrelevant due to the fact of the crimes they committed before hand! So, they we're bad before jail and would probably still be bad after jail.

Of course, even with my method of chaining a person to a wall 24/7 doesn't mean it would make that person bad or even good. We just really don't know what confinement would do to a person. It would effect everyone differently but if the person is a murderer, rapist, child molester then damn, they should be chained to a wall 24/7 and the key thrown away. Disgusting animals. I understand what you means and I hope you know what I mean! :D:laugh2:
 
If you are in prison then all of your freedom should be taken away from you.

You should be miserable and sad and stuck in a cell 24/7, chained to a wall because if you are in prison, then you certainly don't deserve anything because you done what is wrong. Yup :)

Just fixed for you.
 
This is incorrect,and not true.

Dungeons where for punishment. Prisons, in the modern west, as in penetenteries as in, to be penetent. where never ever solely about or for punishment for punishments sake. While punishment is a part of the idea, it is only a part of it. The other part is the idea of reform.

If it was just about punishment, we would of never in the west have done away with those long tried and tested aparatus of punishment we used for so long

The rack
The iron madain
The hungry rat in a face cage
The torturers apprentice
The con strapped to a log. Thrown against a brick wall
The pit of hungry dogs....
Boiling alive
Burned at the stake
Hot iron to blind and boil eyes....
So on so forth
Drawn and quertered for entertainment...
Ect ect

Punishment...

The west decided for various reasons to move away from a solely punishment idea to one of reforming the individual through making him aware and penitent of his crimes..ie the penetentery.

This has taken various forms, one of which had an affect on the Deaf in the idea of the construct of space and the use of space to control the individual internally...Deaf schools of the 18 century where moddeled on the same archetecture that was the penetentery.

Any first year criminology course would go into these details, besides the Deaf one..for that the book inside Deaf culture is a start

Most of your statements are nothing. :zzz:
 

He told me that my statement is incorrect and I told him that his statement is nothing - it don't make any sense for modern time.

The prison today is different from medieval era but it is designed to take your freedom away and punished for break a law. You cannot do anything that you like to do in prison - lousy food, thin mattress, poor medical care, no driving, deal with guards, no video game, no internet, etc. It take your privilege away.

When US was born, many criminals ended up to be executed, even you can execute in Alabama for stealing but not anymore nowadays.
 
He told me that my statement is incorrect and I told him that his statement is nothing - it don't make any sense for modern time.

The prison today is different from medieval era but it is designed to take your freedom away and punished for break a law. You cannot do anything that you like to do in prison - lousy food, thin mattress, poor medical care, no driving, deal with guards, no video game, no internet, etc. It take your privilege away.

When US was born, many criminals ended up to be executed, even you can execute in Alabama for stealing but not anymore nowadays.

Okay...
I can agree that it does take some rights and many privalages away. However if you go by the criminal justice system, imprisonment is ment for rehabilitation of the offender. . We as a society moved away from punishment of criminals... Sadly society seems to forget this...
Justice is justice... It is not vengeance nor should it be cruel... If you treat a person like an animal it is an animal that you will create...
 
You mean motives?...Really didn't think about it in that way...but wondering too, if some of those guys will riot. And if they are gonna be Nicotine Patches distributed....Even vapes...:hmm:...all the way around, not gonna be too pleasant.

I would think bc it government building and maybe the staff don't like it particularly if staff smokers and not allowed to smoke not happy staff
 
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