Bachmann's a liar

[StSapphire]

That sounds good .... I like A&W Root Beer with Vanilla Ice Cream

I never liked root beer, but A&W cream soda is tasty.

On an unrelated note... I have to wake up for work in the morning, so I'm off to bed. Have a good rest of the night/evening.

 

[darkdog]

Now you know why some of his supporters are frustrated.

I don't get it. He passes Obamacare, a huge entitlement that gives the government vast power over the medical industry and his supporters whine that there's no public option and call him a moderate Republican. It's as if his supporters are as utopian about the sausage factory that is Washington as they are about the effects of their policies.

Politically, perhaps. My guess is that he decided that there was a chance he might not win that political battle, and chose not to fight it at all.

With historically large majorities in Congress? What about failing to meet the promise to withdraw troops from Iraq within 16 months?

It seems like I'm giving the guy more credit here for considering the actual realities of those situations whereas you're accusing him of making those important decisions based on cold political calculation.

 

[darkdog]

as I asked before - do you prefer that he oversteps his authority and ignore Congress?

No, I wouldn't prefer that. I'd like to think our commander-in-chief would consult Congress before doing things like launching new wars in Libya.

My crystal ball says you and others will be creating dozens of threads saying that he's a communist. dictator. fascist.

What's your problem? When have I ever said such a thing?

 

[Jiro]

No, I wouldn't prefer that. I'd like to think our commander-in-chief would consult Congress before doing things like launching new wars in Libya.


What's your problem? When have I ever said such a thing?

lol of course not - you didn't say such thing... yet!

 

[StSapphire]

I don't get it. He passes Obamacare, a huge entitlement that gives the government vast power over the medical industry and his supporters whine that there's no public option and call him a moderate Republican. It's as if his supporters are as utopian about the sausage factory that is Washington as they are about the effects of their policies.

It was a massive handout to the insurance industry. Individual mandates? That's the insurance industry's wet dream! I understand that the mandates are necessary to have a functioning insurance ecosystem, but the HC "reforms" were nothing more than pandering to a large majority of special interests, and did nothing to acknowledge or address the actual issue itself.

With historically large majorities in Congress? What about failing to meet the promise to withdraw troops from Iraq within 16 months?

It seems like I'm giving the guy more credit here for considering the actual realities of those situations whereas you're accusing him of making those important decisions based on cold political calculation.

Well, we're on the same page at least. I'll grant you that some of the military decisions he's made likely had more to do with insider classified information than political calculus (such as troop withdrawals and the like). Gitmo, however, he seemed about ready to shut down, and then he faced senators for every state shouting "NIMBY NIMBY NIMBY!" and he just punted. Same as every other risky political gamble so far.

Also, damnit, really going to bed this time. I just hopped back on to remind my aunt to watch Misfits before I forgot to tell her. Anyone else here should as well, it's really good.

 

[darkdog]

lol of course not - you didn't say such thing... yet!

You're kinda jumping the shark there, huh?

 

[darkdog]

It was a massive handout to the insurance industry. Individual mandates? That's the insurance industry's wet dream! I understand that the mandates are necessary to have a functioning insurance ecosystem, but the HC "reforms" were nothing more than pandering to a large majority of special interests, and did nothing to acknowledge or address the actual issue itself.

Totally agree with every point there except the necessity of the mandates. I would add that the reforms will almost certainly exacerbate the problems.

Well, we're on the same page at least. I'll grant you that some of the military decisions he's made likely had more to do with insider classified information than political calculus (such as troop withdrawals and the like). Gitmo, however, he seemed about ready to shut down, and then he faced senators for every state shouting "NIMBY NIMBY NIMBY!" and he just punted. Same as every other risky political gamble so far.

You're also right about his Afghanistan draw-down decision. As for Gitmo though, it's a dumb idea to bring those guys to this country. There's no reason to move them out of Guantanamo.

Also, damnit, really going to bed this time. I just hopped back on to remind my aunt to watch Misfits before I forgot to tell her. Anyone else here should as well, it's really good.

You can respond tomorrow! That's reasonable in internet forum land.

 

[Jiro]

It was a massive handout to the insurance industry. Individual mandates? That's the insurance industry's wet dream! I understand that the mandates are necessary to have a functioning insurance ecosystem, but the HC "reforms" were nothing more than pandering to a large majority of special interests, and did nothing to acknowledge or address the actual issue itself.

 

[darkdog]

Considering he was talking about Obama's health care reform, I guess your little graphic means yes, you've jumped the shark.

 

[kokonut]

Very astute, DD. Very astute.

 

[StSapphire]

Totally agree with every point there except the necessity of the mandates. I would add that the reforms will almost certainly exacerbate the problems.

Ezra Klein - The importance of the individual mandate

Let me know once you've read this, if you still have opposition to the economic arguments of the necessity of the individual mandate, while still making insurance companies cover individuals with pre-existing conditions. If you still disagree, then let me know why, but I can't see any contradictions to the economic necessity argument.

You're also right about his Afghanistan draw-down decision. As for Gitmo though, it's a dumb idea to bring those guys to this country. There's no reason to move them out of Guantanamo.

Of course there is. It simply boils down to this: We're better than that.

Gitmo was purposely built out of the country so that we didn't have to obey our own country's laws with regards to the prisoners. I think that we should. It's really that simple.

You can respond tomorrow! That's reasonable in internet forum land.

Haha, so I can, and did.

 

[jillio]

they're definitely not. Bachmann's being mocked all over Facebook.

I don't doubt it. She is our new "Palin".

 

[jillio]

Just a quick question ... is Gitmo closed?

What exactly does that have to do with Americans not being as gullible as some think they are and Obama winning by a landslide majority?

 

[jillio]

Does that mean Obama is a liar?

I don't mean to derail this thread, as it was designed to mock Bachmann and all, so I will let the usual suspects have their fun

I wonder though ... those usual suspects were crying about how some unions lost their rights and were complaining at how dirty republicans were over it .. then this happens

Illinois Borrowing Money From Charities To Pay Bills In Budget Crisis

"I don't mean to derail this thread" is a lie. That is exactly what you mean to do. This thread is about Bachman, not Obama.

 

[jillio]

Wirelessly posted (BB Curve 9300)


The last Presidential election proved that a majority can be gullible.

We in the majority would disagree. It is the loosing minority that believes that.

 

[jillio]

No. It proved Bush policies work. Interrogations at Gitmo during the Bush administration led to the location of OBL.

About Obama "delaying" his promise a bit ... he promised to have it shut down 2 years ago

List of Obama's Lies | Barack Obama Lies

You are delusional.

 

[jillio]

I don't get it. He passes Obamacare, a huge entitlement that gives the government vast power over the medical industry and his supporters whine that there's no public option and call him a moderate Republican. It's as if his supporters are as utopian about the sausage factory that is Washington as they are about the effects of their policies.


With historically large majorities in Congress? What about failing to meet the promise to withdraw troops from Iraq within 16 months?

It seems like I'm giving the guy more credit here for considering the actual realities of those situations whereas you're accusing him of making those important decisions based on cold political calculation.

So, you would prefer that the insurance companies, who are in the game to make money, retain their vast power over the medical industry?

 

[DeafCaroline]

Well, we're on the same page at least. I'll grant you that some of the military decisions he's made likely had more to do with insider classified information than political calculus (such as troop withdrawals and the like). Gitmo, however, he seemed about ready to shut down, and then he faced senators for every state shouting "NIMBY NIMBY NIMBY!" and he just punted. Same as every other risky political gamble so far.

Um...ok, I had to chime in here. My father was a diplomat and he was stationed to Baghdad, Iraq back in the 80s. I had visited Iraq every spring break and summer holiday from grade 5 to grade 7. The discussion about withdrawals from wars in Iraq has come up a thousand times back then and up to now, trust me. The reason Obama is not hastily withdrawing is because of the mistakes Reagan, Bush and Clinton had made in withdrawing so quickly that they left a very unstable structure in place and this instability is what kept fueling more and more problems leading more to interventions from the US.

This time, Obama is taking his time because he's learning from history and is thinking more long term. He wants to make sure this time when the US withdraws, that the country won't collapse and be once again easily overtaken by yet another dictatorship or mutiny. It's that simple.

 

[Reba]

We in the majority would disagree. It is the loosing minority that believes that.

"Loosing?"

It wouldn't be the first time that the majority was wrong.

 

[jillio]

"Loosing?"

It wouldn't be the first time that the majority was wrong.

And it certainly is not the first time that the loosing minority believes the majority were wrong. The point is, do the majority think they were wrong?

Now back to the Repub canditate who has already been caught in numerous lies.