Baby born deaf will get 'bionic ears' that could help him hear and talk

Hohtopics said:
Cochlear implants were as good 40, 50 or 60 years ago as they are now? Even the BTE's weren't as good back then.
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The first people to use CIs was back in 1961 so they weren't invented 60 years ago.
 
jillio said:
I didn't say anthing about resentment, although it is possible. It has occurred many times prior.

The best way to prevent the delays in psychosocial development and successful resolution of the various tasks in the stages is to be aware of the psychosocial impacts of deafness on the individual. Be aware....listen to what deaf people tell you about their experiences as a deaf child. Stop trying to find differences between their experience and the one you believe your son will have just because he has a CI. The CI is the only difference. And it is not a big enough difference to do away with all of the sameness in experience.

The only ones that are saying I am wrong is a late deafened HOH woman who has no idea what it is to be a deaf child or how that deafness impacts the developmental tasks I am referring to, and an HOH man who has strived all of his life to be as hearing as he possibly can be. The D/deaf agree with me. There is a reason for that.
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You talk that much psychobabble that I'm not even sure what they're agreeing or disagreeing with.

I don't think my son's experience will be any different because he has a CI. I KNOW my son's experience will be different as I will ensure that he has the ability to communicate with his peers; he will be able to tell me his concerns and know that he will be listened to; he will get the educational support that he needs; he will interact with other deaf children and adults as well as hearings children and adults; he will get EARLY access to sound and intervention, not when he is 4 or 9 as others posters have mentioned; he will have understanding parents that give him the confidence to be a deaf person who can hear, I could go on all night but I have better things to do.

You are so negative that I know that you're never going to agree that I'm doing a damn fine job with my child, the plans I have for him and will continue to do a damn fine job into his future.

A lot of people have psychological issues, not just deaf people. I think that if you want to offer advice, which you clearly do, you should be giving practical, helpful, positive advice, not telling them to 'be aware of the psychosocial impacts of deafness on the individual'.
 
Beach girl said:
I would guess that many of the participants here in AD who use hearing aids or CIs would feel much the same. I think you are way, way over-generalizing any negative effects of technology, and way, way minimizing the benefits so many of us have gained.

When you hear criticism from certain people here, remember that they are heavily invested in being "right" because they made different choices than you did. Take it with a large grain of salt, and don't lose confidence in yourself.
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yahtzee! And double yahtzee! Some people see making a differnt choice as an attack on their choice. Sad
 
Beach girl said:
What do you think she's leaving out? She specifically mentioned having appropriate teachers of the deaf, having deaf children among his social group, having all sorts of support.

Where did you purchase YOUR crystal ball that seems to have the gloom and doom version installed?
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It's actually Gloom 2.0. Doom was already taken
 
People need a place to belong--to be with other people like themselves. Allow Deaf people to be with other Deaf people. It's not rejection of hearing people. It's having the security of a true peer group.

When I started going deaf, I searched for people who had the same experience. These people truly understand what it's like to lose hearing. I don't reject hearing people. I just need some time with people like me. I feel a special affinity with the Deaf/HOH community. I don't have to pick between the Deaf world versus the hearing world. I'm the bridge between them.
 
sallylou said:
People need a place to belong--to be with other people like themselves. Allow Deaf people to be with other Deaf people. It's not rejection of hearing people. It's having the security of a true peer group.

When I started going deaf, I searched for people who had the same experience. These people truly understand what it's like to lose hearing. I don't reject hearing people. I just need some time with people like me. I feel a special affinity with the Deaf/HOH community. I don't have to pick between the Deaf world versus the hearing world. I'm the bridge between them.
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"People like themselves" is such a huge, huge territory. "Like themselves" in intelligence, education, religion (or lack of, depending), cultural background, hobbies and interests, general age group, all sorts of things. Hearing ability is one thing of many.

Calum's mom has already said she is aware of that and will be providing that.
 
Hearing status is only one thing but it's a huge thing.
 
Calums mum said:
You talk that much psychobabble that I'm not even sure what they're agreeing or disagreeing with.

I don't think my son's experience will be any different because he has a CI. I KNOW my son's experience will be different as I will ensure that he has the ability to communicate with his peers; he will be able to tell me his concerns and know that he will be listened to; he will get the educational support that he needs; he will interact with other deaf children and adults as well as hearings children and adults; he will get EARLY access to sound and intervention, not when he is 4 or 9 as others posters have mentioned; he will have understanding parents that give him the confidence to be a deaf person who can hear, I could go on all night but I have better things to do.

You are so negative that I know that you're never going to agree that I'm doing a damn fine job with my child, the plans I have for him and will continue to do a damn fine job into his future.

A lot of people have psychological issues, not just deaf people. I think that if you want to offer advice, which you clearly do, you should be giving practical, helpful, positive advice, not telling them to 'be aware of the psychosocial impacts of deafness on the individual'.
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Get back to me on that one in say, 15 years. Or, better yet, let's talk to your son about it in say, 15 years.
 
jillio said:
Now there's an intelligent response. And one that shows, without a shadow of a doubt, that hearing better does not remove the psychosocial issues associated with deafness.:cool2:
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jillio said:
Then why identify yourself as HOH?:hmm:
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I identify myself as a HOH person too. I use ASL and respect the Deaf culture and I join them and socialize with them.. What is wrong with Identifying yourself as HOH??

Whay psychosocial issues we have since we use Hearing aids??
 
Babyblue said:
I identify myself as a HOH person too. I use ASL and respect the Deaf culture and I join them and socialize with them.. What is wrong with Identifying yourself as HOH??

Whay psychosocial issues we have since we use Hearing aids??
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Not a thing. Just be consistent, and don't say "I'm deaf" when you find it convenient. And the difference being, between you and the poster to whom I was replying was the fact that you do respect the Deaf culture and use ASL.

You are again equating psychosocial issues with the level of hearing. That is not the point.
 
jillio said:
Get back to me on that one in say, 15 years. Or, better yet, let's talk to your son about it in say, 15 years.
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So what exactly am I doing wrong in your eyes? Please no psycho babble, just plain straight forward English please.
 
sallylou said:
People need a place to belong--to be with other people like themselves. Allow Deaf people to be with other Deaf people. It's not rejection of hearing people. It's having the security of a true peer group.

When I started going deaf, I searched for people who had the same experience. These people truly understand what it's like to lose hearing. I don't reject hearing people. I just need some time with people like me. I feel a special affinity with the Deaf/HOH community. I don't have to pick between the Deaf world versus the hearing world. I'm the bridge between them.
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That is the big concern for children who are implanted. That the idea that they wont need to meet Deaf/deaf people and wont be allowed to be exposed to ASL for fear that they wont learn to "listen" and "speak" although with ASL, one still "listens" and "speaks" anyway.
 
Beach girl said:
"People like themselves" is such a huge, huge territory. "Like themselves" in intelligence, education, religion (or lack of, depending), cultural background, hobbies and interests, general age group, all sorts of things. Hearing ability is one thing of many.

Calum's mom has already said she is aware of that and will be providing that.
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You cant deny the fact that so many deaf/hoh do want to meet others like them...it is evidence in many of the introductary threads by new members. They want to meet others like them.
 
jillio said:
Not a thing. Just be consistent, and don't say "I'm deaf" when you find it convenient. And the difference being, between you and the poster to whom I was replying was the fact that you do respect the Deaf culture and use ASL.

You are again equating psychosocial issues with the level of hearing. That is not the point.
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I am asking you then? If you think I am implying the wrong issues. What psycohosocial issues are you speaking of??
 
Calums mum said:
So what exactly am I doing wrong in your eyes? Please no psycho babble, just plain straight forward English please.
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Saying that your son wont be like any other deaf people..that has been said by so many parents, including mine and as a result, most of us end up with similiar experiences with our deafness or hearing loss both in the educational setting and in society.
 
shel90 said:
You cant deny the fact that so many deaf/hoh do want to meet others like them...it is evidence in many of the introductary threads by new members. They want to meet others like them.
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Sure, I don't disagree. I'm here myself because I wanted to get ideas from others with hearing loss. I came here because I was googling about "best cell-phone for hearing impaired" and up popped a link to a comment in one of the forums here. It's been interesting. (Although I still haven't bought a new cell-phone...)

My point is just that there seems to be this fear that Calum's mom won't provide that, when she has explicitly stated that she will, from the very beginning. (Sorry, "Calum's mom, to be talking about you in the 3rd person.) She has already thought about a lot of things, has Plan A already in operation, has a back-up Plan B in mind, has a family that is united in providing Calum both BSL and spoken language (assuming the CI will work).

And then Jillio gets on her high horse and wants to say Calum's mom is doing it wrong. Jillio raised her son without hearing aids and without a CI. If he's happy, I'm glad for him. Calum is going to be following a different path. Like everyone in life, there will come a time when he can decide for himself what he will do. Maybe he'll continue to use his CI, maybe he'll opt for something else, be it better technology or no technology.

In the meantime, looks to me like he has a loving family who is doing their very best by him, giving him the opportunity to be exposed to sound and to BSL both, and to eventually be equipped to make meaningful choices for himself.
 
Beach girl said:
Sure, I don't disagree. I'm here myself because I wanted to get ideas from others with hearing loss. I came here because I was googling about "best cell-phone for hearing impaired" and up popped a link to a comment in one of the forums here. It's been interesting. (Although I still haven't bought a new cell-phone...)

My point is just that there seems to be this fear that Calum's mom won't provide that, when she has explicitly stated that she will, from the very beginning. (Sorry, "Calum's mom, to be talking about you in the 3rd person.) She has already thought about a lot of things, has Plan A already in operation, has a back-up Plan B in mind, has a family that is united in providing Calum both BSL and spoken language (assuming the CI will work).

And then Jillio gets on her high horse and wants to say Calum's mom is doing it wrong. Jillio raised her son without hearing aids and without a CI. If he's happy, I'm glad for him. Calum is going to be following a different path. Like everyone in life, there will come a time when he can decide for himself what he will do. Maybe he'll continue to use his CI, maybe he'll opt for something else, be it better technology or no technology.

In the meantime, looks to me like he has a loving family who is doing their very best by him, giving him the opportunity to be exposed to sound and to BSL both, and to eventually be equipped to make meaningful choices for himself.
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I dont know how it got started with Jillio but I suspect it got started with the wording used in the article that was misleading and things went downhill from there. The article didnt really help a lot of us who use ASL, dont have CIs, and have suffered at the expense of needing to be able to "hear" with our ears instead of our eyes.
 
shel90 said:
Saying that your son wont be like any other deaf people..that has been said by so many parents, including mine and as a result, most of us end up with similiar experiences with our deafness or hearing loss both in the educational setting and in society.
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He will be like other deaf people in the fact that he will be deaf. However, he won't have the same education, or parents not taking note of what he wants, as the other peoples experiences on here, seem to be. That is what I meant, which was quite clear in my post. Please read my actual words not the words you wanted me to say so you could slate me.
 
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