AZ Congresswoman...12 others, shot

jillio said:
She is most definately a remarkable woman. Such strength and character. I am duly impressed.
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Well, there is certainly an element of luck involved here, or perhaps divine intervention. Lots of people prayed for her. Ya never know...
 
jillio said:
If you use language that is intended to incite, and you incite someone, you have accomplished your goal. Problem is, they can't control the way one is incited. That is why they need to be careful with that type of language. They wanted to incite, and it was accomplished. They just failed to play the tape all the way through when making the decision to use that form of communication.
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I have yet to see any proof that anyone said or wrote that they wanted any politicians shot at or killed. I've never seen anyone say that their goal was to have politicians assassinated. I've never seen anyone say that they wanted any politicians dead from any cause, either natural or thru homicide.

What I wonder is what it is that you're trying to incite.
 
saywhatkid said:
Well, there is certainly an element of luck involved here, or perhaps divine intervention. Lots of people prayed for her. Ya never know...
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Sure. Divine intervention could be at work. It opens the door, but is not fully effective without the individual being the type to fight and take advantage of it. I'd say that divine intervention was no doubt responsible for the fact that she did not die instantly. Fighting to recover as she has, I've got to give her the props for that one.
 
Reba said:
I have yet to see any proof that anyone said or wrote that they wanted any politicians shot at or killed. I've never seen anyone say that their goal was to have politicians assassinated. I've never seen anyone say that they wanted any politicians dead from any cause, either natural or thru homicide.

What I wonder is what it is that you're trying to incite.
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Still missing the point. One has to accept responsibility when the language they use results in something they did not expect.

What am I trying to incite? Responsibility in communication and not relying on the "victim" game.
 
jillio said:
Still missing the point. One has to accept responsibility when the language they use results in something they did not expect.
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Why should one accept responsibility for something that they didn't do?

What am I trying to incite? Responsibility in communication and not relying on the "victim" game.
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What "victim" game? Other than the people who got shot and their families and friends, who's a victim, and how is that a "game?"

People who make false allegations should also be responsible for their communications, and quite playing the blame game.
 
Reba said:
Why should one accept responsibility for something that they didn't do?
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So you think that rhetoric of any kind should not hold even a tiny fraction of responsibility? How do you feel about violent video games? Music with suggestive lyrics?
 
Reba said:
Why should one accept responsibility for something that they didn't do?


What "victim" game? Other than the people who got shot and their families and friends, who's a victim, and how is that a "game?"

People who make false allegations should also be responsible for their communications, and quite playing the blame game.
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Because it isn't about what she didn't do. It is about what she did. She chose to use inflammatory language. She is responsible for that.

Palin attempted to play the victim game with the very wording of her speech.

I accept full responsibility for what I have said about Palin's actions, and the actions of the pundits whose primary intent is to incite.
 
jillio said:
Because it isn't about what she didn't do. It is about what she did. She chose to use inflammatory language. She is responsible for that.

Palin attempted to play the victim game with the very wording of her speech.

I accept full responsibility for what I have said about Palin's actions, and the actions of the pundits whose primary intent is to incite.
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Inflammatory language..... :lol:
 
TXgolfer said:
Inflammatory language..... :lol:
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By whom? If you are referring to me, you will need to come up with some concrete examples. I have not referred to "cross hairs" or violence as a way to deal with differences.
 
jillio said:
By whom? If you are referring to me, you will need to come up with some concrete examples. I have not referred to "cross hairs" or violence as a way to deal with differences.
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Neither did Palin. She wasn't using crosshairs or violence to deal with "differences".
 
jillio said:
By whom? If you are referring to me, you will need to come up with some concrete examples. I have not referred to "cross hairs" or violence as a way to deal with differences.
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Maybe you should read both the quote and the post.....otherwise you are only getting half of the conversation. :)
 
saywhatkid said:
So you think that rhetoric of any kind should not hold even a tiny fraction of responsibility? How do you feel about violent video games? Music with suggestive lyrics?
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There is no sweeping answer for such general questions. Each situation is different.

Personally, I think the responsibility is on the part of the adult reader/gamer/listener to avoid sources of negativity or depravity. For minors, the parents have to be responsible for what their kids are exposed to.

Did you expect me to say that I support censorship?
 
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Reba said:
There is no sweeping answer for such general questions. Each situation is different.

Personally, I think the responsibility is on the part of the adult reader/gamer/listener to avoid sources of negativity or depravity. For minors, the parents have to be responsible for what their kids are exposed to.

Did you expect me to say that I support censorship?
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No, I expected you to say how you feel. There are many that blame video games for school shootings. There are many that blame suicides on music. Just asking.
 
TXgolfer said:
Maybe you should read both the quote and the post.....otherwise you are only getting half of the conversation. :)
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Read both. And since I was referring specifically to the politician's and the pundit's use of inflammatory language in the post you quoted, your abbreviated and incomplete sentence left questions as to whom you were referring: the politicians and the pundits, or me.:cool2:
 
saywhatkid said:
So you think that rhetoric of any kind should not hold even a tiny fraction of responsibility?
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I know you didn't direct that question to me, but if I may, I'd like to answer it. No. If any rhetoric is to blame, it's the nutty conspiracy documentary, Zeitgeist. At least we know the shooter was obsessed with that film. Even then, I assign the filmmaker zero responsibility. It makes no sense to do so. The film wasn't advocating political assassinations. It makes far less sense to blame rhetoric he probably never heard or saw.
 
darkdog said:
I know you didn't direct that question to me, but if I may, I'd like to answer it. No. If any rhetoric is to blame, it's the nutty conspiracy documentary, Zeitgeist. At least we know the shooter was obsessed with that film. Even then, I assign the filmmaker zero responsibility. It makes no sense to do so. The film wasn't advocating political assassinations. It makes far less sense to blame rhetoric he probably never heard or saw.
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Agreed. Same feeling I had during the Columbine massacre, when Congress was targeting video games as the reason those two creeps gunned down their classmates. People need to look at the fat end of the gun to see the person to blame.
 
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