AZ Congresswoman...12 others, shot

ember said:
Here is another American citizen that feels the same way about Palin and if by some crazy notion she wins then yeah Canada is looking pretty good compared to four years of her leadership.
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I hope that she doesn't even run for President but I don't see how that relates to this thread.
 
Banjo said:
and I'm pretty sure Israel wouldn't want to deal with a President who accused some people of blood libel. She doesn't have a chance in hell to get that nomination she's looking for. Too many Republicans are too leery of her.
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It seems we've forgotten about the shooting in Arizona.
 
Sosie said:
...Good news that Congresswoman Giffords opened an eye yesterday (for the first time), according to her two closest friends. Yay!!
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Yes, the good news is that she continues to improve. :)
 
Reba said:
I didn't know this was a Palin thread. I thought it was about the Arizona shooting.
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Yes, it is related. Palin's statement CONCERNING the Arizona shooting. How we think of that statement CONCERNING Arizona shooting.
 
LinuxGold said:
Yes, it is related. Palin's statement CONCERNING the Arizona shooting. How we think of that statement CONCERNING Arizona shooting.
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Are these concerning the Arizona shooting?

"I am guessing Traci Lords was Palin's role model."

"Palin is a good president candidate for fruitcake sanitarium."

"Guess we will see who she is running against..."

"Sarah Palin is a disease to America."

"Palin is a ditzy dumb-ass."



Sorry, I don't see the connection.
 
Reba said:
Are these concerning the Arizona shooting?

"I am guessing Traci Lords was Palin's role model."

"Palin is a good president candidate for fruitcake sanitarium."

"Guess we will see who she is running against..."

"Sarah Palin is a disease to America."

"Palin is a ditzy dumb-ass."



Sorry, I don't see the connection.
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I don't see the connection in yours either.
 
Reba said:
Are these concerning the Arizona shooting?

"I am guessing Traci Lords was Palin's role model."

"Palin is a good president candidate for fruitcake sanitarium."

"Guess we will see who she is running against..."

"Sarah Palin is a disease to America."

"Palin is a ditzy dumb-ass."



Sorry, I don't see the connection.
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Surely you HAVE to see their remarkable accuracy. ;)
 
Reba said:
Are these concerning the Arizona shooting?

"I am guessing Traci Lords was Palin's role model."

"Palin is a good president candidate for fruitcake sanitarium."

"Guess we will see who she is running against..."

"Sarah Palin is a disease to America."

"Palin is a ditzy dumb-ass."



Sorry, I don't see the connection.
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Ok. Let us just say if I say that that certain black guy is "******" in that event under discussion, my reputation would be SERIOUSLY attacked right?

Palin's usage of "Blood libel" caused the similar furor amongst us.

Our emotion is vented, yet, still relevant.
 
Let's forget the irrelevancy discussion, which is also irrelevant, do you have something new to add to this thread THAT is, TO YOU, relevant?
 
Reba said:
Are these concerning the Arizona shooting?

"I am guessing Traci Lords was Palin's role model."

"Palin is a good president candidate for fruitcake sanitarium."

"Guess we will see who she is running against..."

"Sarah Palin is a disease to America."

"Palin is a ditzy dumb-ass."



Sorry, I don't see the connection.
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Cdaigle430 started the Palin controversy by defending her from what I can tell I didn't see any of their comments posted here, so as long as we are defending or agreeing with her it relevant... WoW
 
cdaigle430 said:
I am getting pretty sick and tired of your comments on our political system, don't you have anything better to do like bash the Canadian government? Sarah Palin is not as evil, or as bad as you think. We all know she is not perfect but so doesn't everyone else in this world.

What have you got against this person anyway? Do you know her personally? Have you read the books on her? Is she from Canada? What is it with you and her? Everyone is entitled to their opinions but really, sounds like you got some sick perverted fetish about bashing this person when you don't even know her. This says more about you than anything else.
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He bashes Canadian politicians too. And Russians, oh... and Chinese. NO ONE IS SAFE FROM BANJO!

Plus, Sarah Palin is quite popular among conservatives in Canada. ;)

Plus, whatever happens in the States, we get the splashes.
 
Since this topic has been brought up, here's another viewpoint, by Rabbi Boteach:

Sarah Palin Is Right About 'Blood Libel'
Judaism rejects the idea of collective responsibility for murder.

By SHMULEY BOTEACH

The term "blood libel"—which Sarah Palin invoked this week to describe the suggestions by journalists and politicians that conservative figures like herself are responsible for last weekend's shooting rampage in Tucson, Ariz.—is fraught with perilous meaning in Jewish history.

The term connotes the earliest accusations that Jews killed Jesus and enthusiastically embraced responsibility for his murder, telling Pontius Pilate, "His blood be upon us and our children" (Matthew 27:25). Thus was born the legend of Jewish bloodlust and of Hebrew ritual use of Christian blood for sacramental purposes. The term was later used more specifically to describe accusations against Jews—primarily in Europe—of sacrificing kidnapped Christian children to use their blood in the baking of Passover matzos.

Sarah Palin responds to allegations that violent political rhetoric played a role in the attempted assassination of Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Arizona, saying "irresponsible" news pundits were creating a "blood libel" that risked further violence. Courtesy NewsCore.

The Benedictine monk Thomas of Monmouth is generally credited with having popularized the blood libel in his "Life of the Martyr William from Norwich," written in 1173 about a young boy who was found stabbed to death. Thomas quoted a servant woman who said she witnessed Jews lacerating the boy's head with thorns, crucifying him, and piercing his side. While William was canonized, the Jews of Norwich fared less well. On Feb. 6, 1190, they were all found slaughtered in their homes, save those who escaped to the local tower and committed mass suicide.

Despite the strong association of the term with collective Jewish guilt and concomitant slaughter, Sarah Palin has every right to use it. The expression may be used whenever an amorphous mass is collectively accused of being murderers or accessories to murder.

The abominable element of the blood libel is not that it was used to accuse Jews, but that it was used to accuse innocent Jews—their innocence, rather than their Jewishness, being the operative point. Had the Jews been guilty of any of these heinous acts, the charge would not have been a libel.

Despite the strong associations of the term, Sarah Palin has every right to use it.

Jews did not kill Jesus. As the Roman historian Tacitus makes clear, he was murdered by Pontius Pilate, whose reign of terror in ancient Judea was so excessive, even by Roman standards, that (according to the Roman-Jewish chronicler Josephus) Rome recalled him in the year 36 due to his sadistic practices. King Herod Agrippa I, writing to the Emperor Caligula, noted Pilate's "acts of violence, plunderings . . . and continual murder of persons untried and uncondemned, and his never-ending, endless, and unbelievable cruelties, gratuitous and most grievous inhumanity."

Murder is humanity's most severe sin, and it is trivialized when an innocent party is accused of the crime—especially when that party is a collective too numerous to be defended individually. If Jews have learned anything in their long history, it is that a false indictment of murder against any group threatens every group. As Martin Luther King Jr. wrote in his Letter from Birmingham Jail, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Indeed, the belief that the concept of blood libel applies only to Jews is itself a form of reverse discrimination that should be dismissed.

Judaism rejects the idea of collective responsibility for murder, as the Hebrew Bible condemns accusations of collective guilt against Jew and non-Jew alike. "The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him" (Ezekiel 18).

How unfortunate that some have chosen to compound a national tragedy by politicizing the murder of six innocent lives and the attempted assassination of a congresswoman.

To be sure, America should embrace civil political discourse for its own sake, and no political faction should engage in demonizing rhetoric. But promoting this high principle by simultaneously violating it and engaging in a blood libel against innocent parties is both irresponsible and immoral.
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Rabbi Shmuley Boteach: Sarah Palin Is Right About 'Blood Libel' - WSJ.com
 
Maybe Palin should've apologized for the crosshair map in her speech instead of trying to invoke popular imagery/language in "blood libel". She is not an elected official... Why give her 15 minutes??

Btw it's great to see the true victim of the shooting being able to recover from being shot through the brain.
 
Of course, Wall Street Journal would publish that sort of crap.
 
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