Arizona governor signs immigration bill

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Oh, this is a long thread, but I am not going to read the rest. I already made my comment on first page. Anyway, this is not surprising. When I was living in out of country, I had to carry my ID with me everywhere I went. It was a hassle at first, but I got used to it.

In Brazil, you are required to carry your papers everywhere you go. you are also required to check in with the police every three months with paperwork in hand. Really.....
 
I have only one positive about AZ immigrant bill, they are helping to make federal awake over failure to get deal with illegal immigrant due party divide, such as republican won't backs the immigrant reform that create by democrat and no bipartsian support or very small.

Otherwise, AZ immigrant bill fail because illegal immigrants would go around outside of AZ and puts legal immigrant and citizens at more risk so need get federal to deal with it, not state.
 
Does the Arizona law require a passport for proof?

What specific documentation does the Arizona law require an American citizen to show?

Non-citizens will have other documentation for their legal status, of course.
Like I said - the language of this new state law opens up a can of worm. What can an American citizen do to prove his/her immigration status if his/her state-issued ID is not good enough especially if the cop's got a thorn in his rear bottom? Could be because the picture in state-issued ID doesn't match to that person.

That was one of my prior questions. Is it realistic to assume that the Arizona police departments will dedicate the manpower and expense required to make all these stops and checks?
for decades - the police departments all over USA have already used the police checkpoints systematically to check for DUI, registration/license/insurance, etc. Looks like now immigration is added to their to-do list - a federal job.

That might give a person a sense of security but is that what the law requires?
if there is a growing cases of Arizona police officer not satisfied with state-issued ID... then I'm sad for Arizonians. It would have become a fascist state.

Should we sacrifice freedom for security? Not me.
 
...So King Downing was singled out due to Behavior Profiling Program and then he was later determined not a threat. So what does this mean? It failed. I've pointed out the shocking difference between Israelis' and American's Behavior Profiling Program & Training.
How did it fail? If he simply showed his ID the first time he was asked, that would have been the end of it.

All kinds of people get stopped at airports for all kinds of reasons, and are requested to show their ID's and tickets. Sometimes there seems to be no rhyme or reason. But it's not always a civil rights issue.

My neighbor flies fairly often, and he gets "picked on" every time at the airport. He's white, 93 years old, a little over 5 ft. tall, about 85 lbs., soft spoken, and his last name is French. So?


so.... Downing left the gate area and made a phone call at public terminal. The officers approached him. What's so suspicious about it? Thousand of flyers do this but why him? Behavioral Profiling? I think not.
Did the article say that no other passengers were approached by security for doing the same thing that Downing did? Out of "thousands of fliers", he was the only one asked to show his ID?

Or was he the only one to make a stink about it?
 
I have only one positive about AZ immigrant bill, they are helping to make federal awake over failure to get deal with illegal immigrant....
I agree with you there. It is bringing the issue out in the open.
 
I have only one positive about AZ immigrant bill, they are helping to make federal awake over failure to get deal with illegal immigrant due party divide, such as republican won't backs the immigrant reform that create by democrat and no bipartsian support or very small.

Otherwise, AZ immigrant bill fail because illegal immigrants would go around outside of AZ and puts legal immigrant and citizens at more risk so need get federal to deal with it, not state.

yes. that would mean GOP needs to do something about it. DNC is waiting. GOP has stalled GWB's immigration reform. and now they're stalling Obama's immigration reform.
 
I agree with you there. It is bringing the issue out in the open.

AZ immigrant bill will be okay if they create new state law enforcement like "Arizona Immigration Officer" for example and it has equal training level as ICE agent does, however illegal immigrant is federal issue so it is federal responibility to deal with immigrant issue instead of choke the AZ state budget.

It does upset me about congress action on illegal immigrants and they are very slow like turtle.
 
Funny you mention this because something that is often brought up in communities of color is how people of color tend to get ID'ed and arrested more often than white people. So yes, cops do that to everyone, but not in same percentages.

Yeah, lol - especially in Detroit - where most LEO's are black, and 85% of Detroit is black - ya still here some of them crying/screaming - "Racially Profiling"

Funnier than all get out! lol

I don't think this AZ law isn't a bad idea. However - What's the matter with enforcing the laws that are already on the books, in regards to illegals?

I really don't see this law standing the court test, since there are already Federal laws on the books, in regards to illegal immigration. And State Laws can't usurp/by-pass Federal Laws.

-charles
 
FYI (portions of the law pertaining to identification of status):

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

B. IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS SECTION, THE FINAL DETERMINATION OF AN
2 ALIEN'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE DETERMINED BY EITHER:
3 1. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO IS AUTHORIZED BY THE FEDERAL
4 GOVERNMENT TO VERIFY OR ASCERTAIN AN ALIEN'S IMMIGRATION STATUS.
5 2. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY COMMUNICATING WITH THE UNITED
6 STATES IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OR THE UNITED STATES BORDER
7 PROTECTION PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

When investigating a complaint, the attorney general or county
35 attorney shall verify the work authorization of the alleged unauthorized
36 alien with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States Code section
37 1373(c). A state, county or local official shall not attempt to
38 independently make a final determination on whether an alien is authorized to
39 work in the United States. An alien's immigration status or work
40 authorization status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant
41 to 8 United States Code section 1373(c).

An alien's immigration
36 status or work authorization status shall be verified with the federal
37 government pursuant to 8 United States Code section 1373(c).
 
Sec. 1373. Communication between government agencies and the
Immigration and Naturalization Service


(a) In general
Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local
law, a Federal, State, or local government entity or official may
not prohibit, or in any way restrict, any government entity or
official from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and
Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or
immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual.
(b) Additional authority of government entities
Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local
law, no person or agency may prohibit, or in any way restrict, a
Federal, State, or local government entity from doing any of the
following with respect to information regarding the immigration
status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual:
(1) Sending such information to, or requesting or receiving
such information from, the Immigration and Naturalization
Service.
(2) Maintaining such information.
(3) Exchanging such information with any other Federal, State,
or local government entity.
(c) Obligation to respond to inquiries
The Immigration and Naturalization Service shall respond to an
inquiry by a Federal, State, or local government agency, seeking to
verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any
individual within the jurisdiction of the agency for any purpose
authorized by law, by providing the requested verification or
status information.

Last modified: June 14, 2006
 
Arizona State University
Verification of Citizenship or Lawful Presence | Arizona State University

Verification of Citizenship or Lawful Presence

Acceptable Documents for Verifying Citizenship or Other Legal Status

The following documentation may be accepted as evidence of citizenship, permanent residence, or lawful presence. This list represents the most common types of documents acceptable for verifying status. Contact the Registrar's Office at 480.965.3124 for information about additional forms of documentation.

Acceptable Documents:

* Current/valid Arizona Motor Vehicle Department Driver License/Identification Card (issued October 1, 1996 or later)
* Current/valid Drivers License, Instructor Permit or Non-Operator Identification card from a U.S. state (issued since 2000 or later). States for which licenses are not acceptable as a primary source of verification: Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Texas, Utah, and Washington, as these states do not verify lawful presence in the U.S.
* Bureau of Indian Affairs/Tribal identification card
* Signed U.S. Passport (current or expired) - unless stamped non-citizen national
* Signed Unexpired Foreign passport with U.S. Visa, with I-551 stamp or attached
* Signed Certificate of U.S. Citizenship (Form N-560 or N-561) issued by USCIS through a federal or state court or through administrative naturalization after December 1990
* Signed Certification of Naturalization (Form N-550 or N-570) issued by USCIS
* Permanent Resident Card with photograph (Form I-151) issued since 1997 or later
* Resident Alien Card (Form I-551) issued before 1997
* Alien Registration Receipt Card with photograph (Form I-551) issued prior to June 1978
* U.S. Military card or draft record
* U.S. Armed Forces Driver’s License

Acceptable documents that may be used if submitted with a legible copy of a valid photo ID:

* Signed U.S. Social Security card issued by the Social Security Administration
* U.S. Military DD-214 documentation ID Card for active duty, reserve or retired
* Birth Certificate showing birth in the United States, which includes Puerto Rico (on or after January 13, 1941), Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands (on or after January 17, 1917), American Samoa, Swains Island, or the Northern Mariana Islands, unless the person was born to foreign diplomats residing in the US.
* Affidavit of birth
* Tribal Certificate of Indian Blood
* Consular Report of Birth Abroad (Form FS-240) Issued by State Department
* Certificate of Birth from Foreign Service Post (Form FS-545) Issued by State Department
* Certification of Report of Birth (Form DS-1350) Issued by State Department
* Refugee Travel Document (Form I-571) Issued since 2003
* Form I-94 arrival/departure record with endorsement (expiration date must not have passed); stamp showing admission under section 207 (refugees) or section 208 (asylee) of the Immigration Nationality Act
* Voter's Registration Card
* Military dependent’s ID card
 
Huge risks of Arizona immigration law

Editor's note: Thomas A. Saenz is president and general counsel of MALDEF, the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

(CNN) -- With her signature Friday on Senate Bill 1070, Gov. Jan Brewer launched Arizona into a maelstrom of national controversy, community conflict and extreme fiscal risk.

In doing so, she failed a basic test of courageous leadership -- recognizing and acting responsibly when political symbolism and populist pandering crosses into dangerous policy. The governor should have known better, if only because recent history demonstrates the folly in enacting measures like Arizona's SB 1070.

SB 1070 will be subject to multiple legal challenges, and the state will devote precious resources to defend a law that has so many serious constitutional flaws that it will likely never be implemented. The neighboring state of California faced this circumstance 15 years ago when Gov. Pete Wilson championed Proposition 187, enacted by voters in November 1994.

Over half a dozen lawsuits were on file within days of the law's passage. A federal court soon enjoined all but two minor sections of the initiative, and the vast bulk of the law never took effect.

Yet, California not only paid a lot of state lawyers to defend these suits -- and ultimately paid much of the plaintiffs' attorneys' fees as well -- but also had to divert bureaucrats throughout state government from their other tasks to analyze and plan how to implement a law that could never be implemented. Today, California could certainly use the tens of millions of dollars expended so many years ago vainly defending Proposition 187.

Moreover, even though Proposition 187 was never implemented, California suffered other repercussions besides the waste of limited state financial resources. Community conflict increased as some interpreted the initiative's passage as license for private individuals to harass and interrogate those they believed to be undocumented, which then, as now, was usually based on racial stereotype.

In addition, support of Proposition 187 did not help Pete Wilson's political career, as naturalizations rose and an increasing number of angry Latino voters mobilized to oppose the governor and the political party that championed such a negative initiative. Today, so many years later, the political sins of Wilson continue to be visited upon the heads of California politicians from his political party.

Coincidentally, Arizona's SB 1070 suffers from many of the same constitutional flaws as California's Proposition 187. In particular, the claim that felled the California initiative applies in even greater measure to the Arizona bill. The federal court struck down Proposition 187 as an unconstitutional attempt to regulate immigration, which is a role that belongs exclusively to the federal government.

SB 1070 is an even more direct attempt to establish the state's own immigration law and enforcement scheme. Indeed, what we have seen since Friday is the usual pivot by those who propose and support unconstitutional laws like SB 1070.

Sen. Russell Pearce and others who support the bill are now arguing it does nothing but reiterate existing federal law and that the law is legitimate because police officers always had "inherent authority" to enforce federal immigration law. Their assertions are dubious as a legal matter because of the very weak support for the "inherent authority" notion and because, in the area of immigration, the states lack even the right to duplicate federal law word-for-word.

Beyond this, I am certain that neither Sen. Pearce nor Gov. Brewer would actually go into their next election campaigns asserting they expended significant time and state resources on a bill that does nothing to change existing law and authority.

They and other proponents have at various times maintained, in more or less blatant contradiction of their rhetorical defense of the law's constitutional propriety, that SB 1070 is a much-needed change in current law that will strengthen Arizona.

In fact, the pre-enactment characterization more accurately reflects the bill's effects: SB 1070 would dramatically change every Arizonan's daily experience, especially anyone whose appearance, name, language or accent fits the stereotype of the undocumented.

It is this invitation or direction to police to engage in racial profiling, together with the state's unconstitutional attempt to regulate immigration, that makes it unlikely that SB 1070 can ever be implemented. Nonetheless, Arizona will experience extreme and dire consequences, just as California experienced a decade-and-a-half ago.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Thomas A. Saenz.

http://www.alldeaf.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1571238

I'm predict that AZ immigrant bill will strike down by court.
 
It is still not enough because illegal immigrants could have driver license via fraudulent.
If they accept drivers licenses, then they accept them.
 
Huge risks of Arizona immigration law

Editor's note: Thomas A. Saenz is president and general counsel of MALDEF, the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

...The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Thomas A. Saenz.

I'm predict that AZ immigrant bill will strike down by court.
Just keep in mind that is an editorial.
 
Just keep in mind that is an editorial.

but look at this quote again.
The federal court struck down Proposition 187 as an unconstitutional attempt to regulate immigration, which is a role that belongs exclusively to the federal government.

That's fact.
 
If they accept drivers licenses, then they accept them.

because this new immigration law is extremely broad... it gives the police a broad power to detain one. Problem is - there's no guideline. no criteria. nothing.

Arizona Enacts Stringent Law on Immigration
While police demands of documents are common on subways, highways and in public places in some countries, including France, Arizona is the first state to demand that immigrants meet federal requirements to carry identity documents legitimizing their presence on American soil.

It requires police officers, “when practicable,” to detain people they reasonably suspect are in the country without authorization and to verify their status with federal officials, unless doing so would hinder an investigation or emergency medical treatment.

It also makes it a state crime — a misdemeanor — to not carry immigration papers. In addition, it allows people to sue local government or agencies if they believe federal or state immigration law is not being enforced.

So if ya'all are wondering why federal government failed to pass a comprehensive, updated immigration law...
Ms. Brewer and other elected leaders have come under intense political pressure here, made worse by the killing of a rancher in southern Arizona by a suspected smuggler a couple of weeks before the State Legislature voted on the bill. His death was invoked Thursday by Ms. Brewer herself, as she announced a plan urging the federal government to post National Guard troops at the border.

President George W. Bush had attempted comprehensive reform but failed when his own party split over the issue.

Police weighing Arizona's immigration bill's impact
The bill requires local law-enforcement agencies to enforce federal immigration law to the fullest extent permitted by federal law. It says that officers must make a reasonable attempt to determine an individual's legal status "when practicable" if there is "reasonable suspicion" that he or she is in the U.S. illegally.

The bill also would allow Arizonans to sue agencies if they don't believe an agency is complying with the law.

Police chiefs who oppose the bill have said these requirements will mean officers will have to make immigration enforcement their first priority over every other type of crime.

They may have to wait around for federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement to verify a suspect's immigration status and possibly transport a suspect to jail to be held until that status can be determined.

The chiefs also say the bill offers no additional funding to train officers in how to judge reasonable suspicion or otherwise enforce federal laws.

"This will further impact police departments already lacking the resources to do their basic job," said former Mesa Police Chief George Gascón, who now leads the San Francisco Police Department.

The Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police opposes SB 1070 because the group says the law would hobble law enforcement's ability to "fulfill their many responsibilities in a timely manner." But it said its chiefs will enforce the measure if it becomes law.

Colorado Springs Chief Richard Myers, who weighed in on the issue Wednesday, said Arizona residents may not like what that enforcement looks like.

"If I have a shots-fired call or the potential to stop someone who might be checked for documented status, I'm going to do that before I respond to shots fired because I won't get sued if don't respond to shots fired," he said.

I've already showed you what the training would be like - link and I've already showed you what the former Arizona Governor's concern with this - link.

because this new immigration is so broad and that Arizona police officers have absolutely no idea how to do this... Governor Jan Brewer had to issue an executive order to require them to get training on how to enforce this law without racial profiling. Proceeding with this law without roughing out the details, funding, training, etc? this is comical.

Jan Brewer.. how did this woman get elected as Governor anyway?
 
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